Couldn’t agree more. More importantly no European football next year either. I suspect that means the cleaner d we I’ll lose their job…..
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No European football will mean more job loses at the club because the owners are not going to put their own money into propping up the club, they rely on profits from the commercial side of the business and money from the sponsors. It will also mean sponsors will not be willing to pay top dollar to sponsor the club and players will not want to sign to the club because they will not get European football, something national team managers require of their players or they lose their spot on the national team. Finishing in the bottom half of the table is going to hurt United terribly.
If Amorim does not get the players he wants because the club has no transfer money I can see the Glazers being forced to sell the club again because I cannot see United fans putting up with another diabolical season again, especially if it's because the club cannot afford to get new players in because A) they cannot afford them and B) the players refuse to sign because they will not be getting European football. The UK press will hit the Glazers hard with months and months of negative media which of course will affect the clubs sponsors because their names will be beamed across the world with the negative press coverage. There will be a lot of bad PR around the club and the sponsors will not want to be a part of it. I bet they would be putting pressure on the club owners to sell the club or they cancel their contract and leave the club taking their money with them.
Except for two things I agree with you
- The Glazers don’t give a crap about the fans.
- The Glazers don’t give a crap about the UK Press.
So they club will suffer more because of the Glazers greed. And that is how clubs go into liquidation (has happened to a number of clubs) and get close to liquidation all because of owners wanting more and more money from the sale of the club. Derby, Leeds, Chelsea are the ones that quickly come to mind of clubs struggling and instead of the owner getting out while they can they stood around hoping the club would get back on it's feet again hoping it's value would increase but waiting that to happen caused the respective clubs to get into more trouble.
The same could and possibly will happen to United. The club is hemorrhaging money on debt, not being in Europe means they will lose all that money it brings in. This means less money to spend on players meaning the club will not be able to afford the better quality players and also not being in Europe means players will not want to sign for the club or to leave the club because they will not be getting European action. All of this cumulates in the club no longer being as a top club which will have an affect on sponsor ship deals being lower.
The club has already made 450 staff redundant, removed a huge amount of staff perks and benefits, removed a number of 'ambassador' roles, selling players who have huge wages and increased the price of game tickets. Does this sound like a club in good standing? NO. United is a club in serious trouble and they will continue to be in trouble until the Glazers sell the club to someone who can clear the debt.
The worst problem for United is the state of the football ground. Have you seen the social media posts from fans visiting the ground?, a large number of water leaks around the ground, cracks appearing in concrete, chips in stone work, rust appearing everywhere. Unless the club tackle the issues the local council will be forced to take action due to safety concerns which could mean the council slapping safety prevention orders on the stadium forcing it to close until essential repairs are carried out. Closing the ground means the club losing more money.
It has been very clear to see the decline of United over the years, the debt, the state of the stadium, the ill feeling of staff to how they are being treated. The club is spiraling out of control and it is heartbreaking to see.
Amorim gave a recent interview and in it he said about the team needing to win the premier league, the clubs goal to win the premier league and his goal to win the premier league and it got me thinking, ever since Ferguson left EVERY manager has said exactly the same thing and it has got them no where. Here is a list of the managers and the time they were given to try and win the league, all eventually getting sacked:
8 months - David Moyes
1 years 10 months - Louis Van Gaal
2 years 7 months - Jose Mourhino
2 years 11 months - Ole Gunnar Solskjer
2 years 5 months - Eric Ten Haag
*Note: I've not included caretaker or Interim positions.
So you can see, even though each manager has said the same thing about the goal of themselves and the club is to win the premier league, no manager has lasted over 3 years. Amorim is going to go the same way. If he does not win the league within 3 years he is going to be sacked. The evidence is there with how the club has dealt with all the previous managers, no league win within 3 years they get sacked.
EDITED: Corrected spelling of Jose first (used an L instead of a J)
8 months - David Moyes
1 years 10 months - Louis Van Gaal
2 years 7 months - Jose Mourhino
2 years 11 months - Ole Gunnar Solskjer
2 years 5 months - Eric Ten Haag
*Note: I've not included caretaker or Interim positions.
So you can see, even though each manager has said the same thing about the goal of themselves and the club is to win the premier league, no manager has lasted over 3 years. Amorim is going to go the same way. If he does not win the league within 3 years he is going to be sacked. The evidence is there with how the club has dealt with all the previous managers, no league win within 3 years they get sacked.
EDITED: Corrected spelling of Jose first (used an L instead of a J)
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For Manchester United to win the league in the next three years is going to take a miracle. Like when Leicester won it.
Personally I’m more than happy to see top clubs suffer. Spreads the money around more.
United is not going to win the league within 3 years. It took a close sacking and 6 years for Ferguson to win the league.
It took these managers from first joining their club to then win the league:
6 years Alex Ferguson - Man United
4 years Kenny Dalglish - Blackburn
4 years Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool
2 years Roberto Mancini - Chelsea
1 year Arsene Wenger - Arsenal
1 year Pep Guardiola - Man City
1st season in charge Jose Mourhino - Chelsea
1st season in charge Carlo Ancelotti - Chelsea
1st season in charge Claudio Ranieri - Leicester City
1st season in charge Manuel Pellegrini - Man City
1st season in charge Antonio Conte - Man City
If you take into fact that both Ferguson and Dalglish won their titles at the beginning of the birth of the premier league, the stats prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it takes roughly one year or less for a newly appointed manager to win the premier league (Klopp and Mancini being the exceptions to the rule). Therefore I can see from a club owners point of view that it is not unreasonable to expect their newly appointed manager to win the premier league in one year or less.
Transfer funds and wages does help a manager structure a team to win the league but that fails in United's case because they persistently out spent the other clubs on transfer fee's and in wages (were known to pay the highest player wages in the league) and yet every manager since Ferguson has failed to win the league.
So yes, based on the above stats I have no doubt the Glazers will be expecting Amorim to win the league within 3 years.
When its your year its your year.
PSG comprehensively outplay Liverpool in Paris...but still end up losing. Thanks to Alisson's herculean efforts
PSG comprehensively outplay Liverpool in Paris...but still end up losing. Thanks to Alisson's herculean efforts
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There are days when I feel this strange, inexplicable, urge to murder - commit some sort of ghastly homicide on - this infuriating Arsenal team.
Today happens to be one of them.
Imagine not being able to defeat Manchester United in their current underwhelming incarnation.
That makes this ten draws, thus far, this season, for Arsenal.
Nobody will ever threaten to win a title on that sort of performance.
Not that surprising. Arsenal don't have forwards and Utd only have Fernandez. Draw or Arsenal win were the likely outcomes.
EPL season has been over since Feb.
EPL season has been over since Feb.
Actually, since even before that, to my mind.
I don't think that we ever really seriously challenged for the title, let alone (ever) threatened Liverpool's dominance this season.
Unless Liverpool implode (which is vanishingly unlikely), they will win the title at a canter.
You are right to feel that way. Arsenal are second in the league and thus it should have been an easy win against United. United are not the strong powerful team they once were, they have been in decline for the past for many years. They are now clearly a mid table to bottom table team now and as such the top of the league teams should be beating them.
The problem is as fans of the game we have seen this play out for decades, top of the league teams drawing or losing against lower league teams and it is extremely frustrating.
Well the Arsenal heirachy and Arteta only have themselves to blame for unbalancing the squad with too many defenders and selling themselves short by not replacing the forwards and midfielders they let go
ESR, Reiss Nelson, Nketiah, Fabio Viera would arguably all have offered Arsenal something. Sure they needed to be upgraded but...well there have been no upgrades.
Failing to do any recruitment in Jan was the nail in the coffin that signalled a surrender to Liverpool
I would expect Arsenal to fail to win against any opposition that deploys a mid-low block. Its now the textbook way of beating or drawing with them.
Nuno said it already, "they dont have forwards, so just put more bodies in midfield" Job done.
I expect a difficult summer for Arsenal too, because everyone now knows they have money to spend. This will automatically add another 20% to the asking price of whoever they go for.
Absolutely agreed.
Again, also agreed.
Actually, I have been thinking about ESR rcently - and mulling over the idiocy of selling such an enthusiastic and decent player, one who was a form, fan favourite, as well.
Agree also re Nketiah.
We really could have done with the pair of them this season, especially since Christmas.
And I don't disagree re Reiss Nelson or Fabio Viera, either.
No argument from me on that subject.
Exactly.
Yes, all too true, alas.
Too true.
Well, on that, I have little sympathy.
Proper planning and preparation calls for both intelligent strategy as well as thoughtful, and intelligently applied, tactics, and tactical awareness.
Agents and clubs are going to have a field day with Arsenal in the transfer market, knowing they need a specific type of player meaning they will squeeze Arsenal for every bit of money they have. The Barcelona player name escapes me but it is exactly what Barcelona and the players agent did to United when ETH wanted the player. Barcelona demanded a ridiculous transfer fee and the players agent kept asking for unreasonable demands. Somebody at United said enough is enough and the transfer fell through.
I sense Arsenal are going to have the same problem, not so much with transfer fee's but with player agents asking too much in wages and other perks.
I sense Arsenal are going to have the same problem, not so much with transfer fee's but with player agents asking too much in wages and other perks.
Yes and no.
At this stage, I am a little concerned, not just about Mikel Arteta's judgement, and the poor judgment (of the relevant Arsenal staff) that has been displayed not just in bringing players in, but also, in letting players go (ESR and Nketiah are but two we could certainly do with at the moment), in addition to harbouring doubts about the quality of Arsenal's backroom staff (as we have had some rather unfortunate departures, in recent times).
Proper (advance) planning, respectful and thoughtful approaches, along with some serious (and intelligent) research may mitigate some of this (as was the case when Arsenal purchased Declan Rice).
However, the very last thing Arsenal need are some more perfectly idiotic (and unnecessary) rushed last minute loans or purchases (Raheem Sterling anyone?)
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Arsenal need you as their director of football
That was such a bizarre game yesterday. United had an abysmal first half but scored a goal against the run of play, then United had an outstanding second half and conceded a goal against the run of play. In a game I expected them to get battered in, I was slightly disappointed to come out with a draw.
Both teams desperately need an attacking refresh. I thought Garnacho had one of his better games in a while, but a reliable #9 who can take the spotlight off Højlund is a must. I was pretty impressed with United's defending for the full 90, not just when they sat back deep in the first half — if only Amorim had made that Collyer for Eriksen sub 5 minutes earlier. Ayden Heaven looks like a real player.
Both teams desperately need an attacking refresh. I thought Garnacho had one of his better games in a while, but a reliable #9 who can take the spotlight off Højlund is a must. I was pretty impressed with United's defending for the full 90, not just when they sat back deep in the first half — if only Amorim had made that Collyer for Eriksen sub 5 minutes earlier. Ayden Heaven looks like a real player.
My first trip to the London Stadium ended with a disappointing 1-0 defeat by Newcastle.
Best thing about that pic is that if it rained you would be covered hehe
My eyes are getting old, the players are so far away I cannot tell who is West Ham and who is Newcastle lol
Reading this article from Sir Jim Ratcliffe about the perilous state of United's finances https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/no-money-left-sir-jim-185022760.html in my opinion he has just allowed fans to drive the knife even deeper into the Glazers because instead of selling to the Qatari billionaire who would have cleared off all of United's debt and thus put the club on a very secure financial footing, the Glazers decided to keep the club which has resulted in the club getting into a more dire financial situation. As Ratcliffe put's it 'There is no money left'. Which is why the club has made 250 staff redundant with another 200 on the way. A huge majority of staff perks have been removed, a number of club ambassadors have been removed.
All of this could have been avoided if the Glazers had sold the club to the Qatari billionaire but no, the Glazers decided to keep the club and it appears the word on the ground is (coming from numerous fans) is that whilst the Qatari billionaire was happy to buy the club he was not prepared to pay off the loan debts that the Glazers had created when they bought the club. He buys the club, the Glazers pay off the outstanding debt which I believe at the time was around £600 million (now it's over a billion). The Glazers were not going to accept this, why? because remember, it is well known in United's circles that the Glazers have never spent a single penny of their own money on the club because it has all come from sponsorship revenue, game ticket revenue and commercial revenue (TV rights deals and merchandising).
What makes me laugh even more about this whole United farce is that in the article Ratcliffe says the club will become the most profitable club in the world in 3 years. He and the Glazers are seriously deluded if they think that is going to happen. To be profitable the club need to be in Europe, they will also need increased money in sponsorship deals. No sponsor is going to give the club top dollar when they are languishing in the bottom half of the league and not in Europe. The club will not be able to afford the transfer fee's and wages of the best players which will have an impact on the performances of the team. Only being able to afford mediocre players means they will not be able to challenge for the league or for Europe. They could end up being a mid-table team for a large number of years.
All of this could have been avoided if the Glazers had sold the club to the Qatari billionaire but no, the Glazers decided to keep the club and it appears the word on the ground is (coming from numerous fans) is that whilst the Qatari billionaire was happy to buy the club he was not prepared to pay off the loan debts that the Glazers had created when they bought the club. He buys the club, the Glazers pay off the outstanding debt which I believe at the time was around £600 million (now it's over a billion). The Glazers were not going to accept this, why? because remember, it is well known in United's circles that the Glazers have never spent a single penny of their own money on the club because it has all come from sponsorship revenue, game ticket revenue and commercial revenue (TV rights deals and merchandising).
What makes me laugh even more about this whole United farce is that in the article Ratcliffe says the club will become the most profitable club in the world in 3 years. He and the Glazers are seriously deluded if they think that is going to happen. To be profitable the club need to be in Europe, they will also need increased money in sponsorship deals. No sponsor is going to give the club top dollar when they are languishing in the bottom half of the league and not in Europe. The club will not be able to afford the transfer fee's and wages of the best players which will have an impact on the performances of the team. Only being able to afford mediocre players means they will not be able to challenge for the league or for Europe. They could end up being a mid-table team for a large number of years.
