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Villa and Dortmund had a good go and actually revealed PSG and Barca to be beatable.

Emery didn't have quality enough from the bench and Watkins for me is not a UCL forward.

Also credit to PSG who managed the game well enough.

Close but no cigar.
perhaps you might be fit for Unia's job?

anyways,
as a villa supporter i'm pleased we came back AND WON today
Ollie should have started since ashford was running in circles the frost half.
too bad "thems microphones' chastised Martinez too much for winning the World Cup last time.
 
perhaps you might be fit for Unia's job?

anyways,
as a villa supporter i'm pleased we came back AND WON today
Ollie should have started since ashford was running in circles the frost half.
too bad "thems microphones' chastised Martinez too much for winning the World Cup last time.
Don't recall criticising Emery or angling for his job

You have your viewpoint and i had mine.

I get you're a Villa fan so i'll leave it there.
 
Villa and Dortmund had a good go and actually revealed PSG and Barca to be beatable.
Agreed.
Emery didn't have quality enough from the bench and Watkins for me is not a UCL forward.
Watkins is good, - at times, very good (and, as always, the English media tend to over-rate him by thinking that he is better than he actually is) - but others are a lot better, as he has just discovered.
Also credit to PSG who managed the game well enough.

Close but no cigar.
Villa had one superb half, whereas PSG had three very good halves over the two games, and that was more than enough to see them through.
 
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perhaps you might be fit for Unia's job?

anyways,
as a villa supporter i'm pleased we came back AND WON today
Ollie should have started since ashford was running in circles the frost half.
too bad "thems microphones' chastised Martinez too much for winning the World Cup last time.
I think that Emery has done an excellent job with Villa, and Martínez - while possibly an unpleasant individual, is probably one of the best goalkeepers in the world - I have written many posts lamenting the fact that Arsenal sold him - and I was delighted to see Villa victorious this evening, and would have loved to have seen them progress to the next stage.

However, over two games (and four halves), unfortunately, I do think that PSG were the better team, and deserved to go through.
 
In my opinion PSG did what many teams have done before them, got to a score line where they think they cannot be beaten and thus ease of a little bit only for the other team to come back and win the game. OK Villa lost over the two legs BUT PSG made the mistake of easing off because at 5-1 on aggregate they thought they could not be beaten.

This goes to show that football managers are not teaching their players to not be complacent and have not learned from two very well known classic champions league matches where complacency lost the team the cup. Apologies if their are other matches that qualify, it's just that these two games are the ones that stand out for me and thus I have been able to remember over the years. The first game is the Munich v United game where Munich were leading 1-0 into the dying minutes of the game, full time was looming and the Munch players thought they were going to win it but United fought and fought all the way to the end, getting two goals, then the final whistle. United wins the champions league cup. The second game is the AC Milan v Liverpool champions league final where Liverpool are down 3-0. AC Milan thought they had done enough to win the game but eased off allowing Liverpool to come back and eventually winning the champions league cup.

These two games alone should be why managers teach their players to never give up, to never think they have won the game if they are leading by x amount of goals. It is clear to me many managers have not taught their players this, hence why we saw the situation at Villa park.
 
In my opinion PSG did what many teams have done before them, got to a score line where they think they cannot be beaten and thus ease of a little bit only for the other team to come back and win the game. OK Villa lost over the two legs BUT PSG made the mistake of easing off because at 5-1 on aggregate they thought they could not be beaten.
But, the point is that - over the two legs - they weren't beaten.

They lost a match, but still won the contest over two legs, and thus achieved their goal, which was to advance to the next round of the competition.
These two games alone should be why managers teach their players to never give up, to never think they have won the game if they are leading by x amount of goals. It is clear to me many managers have not taught their players this, hence why we saw the situation at Villa park.
They had done more than enough to advance to the next round.

Anything more may have risked something - such as an injury to a key player - that would have been entirely unnecessary, in the circumstances.
 
However, over two games (and four halves), unfortunately, I do think that PSG were the better team, and deserved to go through.
I though that as well, until the second half as Donnarumma make octopus-like saves that saved their baguettes butts!
also the entire tie the PSG would fall way to easy when touched or brushed then give a cold at the ref for punishment.
no-one in the biased nternets/media dudes wearing suit and tie is marveling at McGinn's stunner,
as if a top polished played they seem to overinflated did that the yowl say 'GOAL of the tourney!"

hopefully arsenal wins the champions this time since that would be nice to see an EPL club
since few nations don't have that many clubs wining, as England would have 4 in a span of only several years.

anyways I an still enjoying the entire season and now crunch time as they need some big wins to return to the UEFA
as maybe Newcastle is too much in the driver seat for that 4th or 3rd spot so Notting ham must lose some matches as they doing recently. but we al want Forest to get some euro-reward for a great season.
 
They had done more than enough to advance to the next round.
That part in your post proves the point I was trying to make, players and managers having the same mindset as members of the public which is only do enough to get through to the next round. In my opinion that is the wrong mindset to take. Bayern Munich had that mindset, got the goal they wanted and then tried to do just enough to win the game, it did not work. Same for AC Milan when they were 3-0 up against Liverpool, they then only did enough to see them through to the end of the match but it did not work.

We see this mindset in used time and time again in both the men's and women's world cup and the euro championships, only doing enough to see them through the group stages. This is why I used to like West Germany and then Germany's mindset (they went off the rails a bit in the 2000's) which is win win win regardless of what stage the match was in, friendly, qualifying or group stages. For decades they would always come out on top of qualifying and group stages making sure they won every game they could. That is not the mindset of 'just do enough to see you through', they had the mindset of no matter what the match/competition, destroy the opposition and win.
 
I though that as well, until the second half as Donnarumma make octopus-like saves that saved their baguettes butts!
also the entire tie the PSG would fall way to easy when touched or brushed then give a cold at the ref for punishment.
no-one in the biased nternets/media dudes wearing suit and tie is marveling at McGinn's stunner,
as if a top polished played they seem to overinflated did that the yowl say 'GOAL of the tourney!"

hopefully arsenal wins the champions this time since that would be nice to see an EPL club
since few nations don't have that many clubs wining, as England would have 4 in a span of only several years.

anyways I an still enjoying the entire season and now crunch time as they need some big wins to return to the UEFA
as maybe Newcastle is too much in the driver seat for that 4th or 3rd spot so Notting ham must lose some matches as they doing recently. but we al want Forest to get some euro-reward for a great season.
PSG were not convincing neither were Barcelona but they did 'enough' to see them through both ties. Hopefully Arsenal will not have the mindset of 'just do enough' and instead go out there and batter Real Madrid so they put the fear of God into the remaining teams.
 
go out there and batter Real Madrid so they put the fear of God into the remaining teams.
I can see Rice or Odegaard telling a Real player today on a free kick while they are covering themselves:
"I shall smite thee in the knees,
and in the legs,
with a sore botch that cannot be healed,
from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.


Deut 29:7
 
Terrific victory for Arsenal, who comprehensively destroyed (the holders) Real Madrid, defeating them in both legs of the quarter-final of the Champions League, (by 2-1 and 3-0 respectively, an aggregate of 5-1) and are now through to the semi-finals of the competition.
 
Fairplay to Arsenal. Rice again MOTM and was imperious over both legs. Saka's return proving timely for Arteta.
Don't think Madrid can complain. All they did was cross into the box...even though none of their front three is even 6ft

Inter also progress despite Bayern's comeback. Lautaro Martinez looks bang in from

The next set of fixtures look set to be entertaining
 
Glad we saw it through.

Madrid were quite frankly embarrassing and cringeworthy with all the 'remontada' propaganda.

Ref even tried to help them but thankfully common sense prevailed.

MLS continues to delight me. Glad Martinelli scored given his work rate. Merino surprisingly continues to deliver, 2 assists and a goal in 2 games.

Shoutout to Kiwior who i've been critical of, but he's practically been flawless

Out of all the recent £100m player transfers, its safe to say Rice is head and shoulders above the rest so far.

Thats 5 against City and Madrid in one season...and we don't even have a striker...
 
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Very good win for Arsenal, 5-1 on aggregate over two legs against the competitions best team (multiple winners) and the current holders. Their fans are not to going like how they were comprehensively beaten an even worse they could end the season with no silverware because they are currently second in the league behind Barcelona and will be playing against Barcelona in the Spanish cup. Barcelona are on for the treble (league, Spanish cup and champions league) thus they are not going to make it easy for Madrid.

As for Arsenal, their performance over Madrid should make them favorites against PSG because even though PSG won over two legs their performance was woeful. This will now cause a bit of contention between fans of the premier league because Arsenal will want to make sure their key players are fit and healthy for the champions league semi final meaning they may not put out their best team against their premier league rivals to prevent them from getting injured.

We have seen this time and time again from all the premier league teams that have got through to the champions league semi final and final, they sacrifice league games to make sure their best players are not injured. Question now is will Arsenal keep this tradition going.
 
Very good win for Arsenal, 5-1 on aggregate over two legs against the competitions best team (multiple winners) and the current holders. Their fans are not to going like how they were comprehensively beaten an even worse they could end the season with no silverware because they are currently second in the league behind Barcelona and will be playing against Barcelona in the Spanish cup. Barcelona are on for the treble (league, Spanish cup and champions league) thus they are not going to make it easy for Madrid.

As for Arsenal, their performance over Madrid should make them favorites against PSG because even though PSG won over two legs their performance was woeful. This will now cause a bit of contention between fans of the premier league because Arsenal will want to make sure their key players are fit and healthy for the champions league semi final meaning they may not put out their best team against their premier league rivals to prevent them from getting injured.

We have seen this time and time again from all the premier league teams that have got through to the champions league semi final and final, they sacrifice league games to make sure their best players are not injured. Question now is will Arsenal keep this tradition going.
Oldest son not so happy...

Youngest son VERY HAPPY! lol It was his birthday, Arsenal won, he went to the Predators' game, got to ride the Zamboni, the Preds won... he had a pretty good day.
 
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Glad we saw it through.

Madrid were quite frankly embarrassing and cringeworthy with all the 'remontada' propaganda.

Ref even tried to help them but thankfully common sense prevailed.

MLS continues to delight me. Glad Martinelli scored given his work rate. Merino surprisingly continues to deliver, 2 assists and a goal in 2 games.

Shoutout to Kiwior who i've been critical of, but he's practically been flawless

Out of all the recent £100m player transfers, its safe to say Rice is head and shoulders above the rest so far.

Thats 5 against City and Madrid in one season...and we don't even have a striker...
The Rice valuation was way too low based on what I knew he could deliver. If we’d kept him we would be in Europe again for sure.
 
Europe has really been serving up some crackers. Man Utd through to the Europa semis by the skin of their teeth via Maguire.

Really both teams highlighted how fragile they are defensively. But Utd came back from 2 goals behind to win.

Chelsea and Spurs also through. Good outcomes for English teams so far.
 
I remember reading (and thoroughly enjoying) "Fever Pitch" by Nick Hornby, (whom I subsequently met at a literary festival, where he graciously took questions from everyone such as football obsessed ten year olds - "will Arsenal win the title this year, do you think?" - ten year old boys are not the usual audience at an afternoon talk during a serious literary festival, and many of them seemed to have been accompanied by their mothers, - to thoughtful questions from some of the women in the audience (including the mothers of the ten year olds) "so, do you think that your obsession with football was developed as a compensation for some of the other lacks in your childhood?") - and I would have enjoyed it even if it has been written about the agony of supporting a team other than Arsenal, for he describes the exquisite agony of the life of the football supporter, a sort of variant on the "pleasure as pain" principle.

Anyway, Nick Hornby, and Fever Pitch - and what he wrote - have all been crossing my mind this afternoon:

Arsenal are currently leading ten man (there was a well deserved red card) and almost already relegated Ipswich by three goals to nil, and, inexplicably, I am still nervous.

Yes, this is neither logical nor rational, yet, that twitchy tension - until the final whistle is blown - still persists.
 
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Irrespective of how they perform against (soon to be relegated) Leicester, (imagine - Leicester won the title as recently as 2016), Liverpool will not be confirmed as title holders today.

Elsewhere, Manchester United were defeated by Wolves (who are now confirmed to be safe), and West Ham (also safe) drew yesterday.

I must confess that I was staggered to see where Spurs are in the table.

Manchester United are not the only poorly run team that used to challenge for trophies that now seem to be a lot more unsettled.
 
With the Ipswich loss today, Manchester United officially are safe from relegation.

Not much else to say about them that isn't repetitive. At least they're bringing up some more youth players in defense and midfield who look like they may belong, but the attack is still horrendously bad. They've screwed up any chance of Højlund developing into a legitimate Premier League forward.
 
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