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BenGoren

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So, I remember, back in the days of the iPhone 4s, how I often observed that the usable part of the display was the same size as a credit card, and how I wished for an iPhone that was just that size — edge-to-edge display, at most a quarter inch thick. It would be exactly as usable, but without all the extra bulk.

Instead, of course, phones got bigger, even though the bezels have thankfully long since vanished.

There’s a natural ambivalence with this sort of thing. On the one hand, when you’re using the phone, all else equal, you can’t have too big of a display. (Read into “all else equal,” caveats such as the challenge of holding something the size of the Sunday Times, or interacting with it, especially with one hand.) On the other hand, again, all else equal, when you’re not using the phone, it can’t be too small. Nobody wants the phone to dig into your leg when you sit down, let alone have it be too big to fit into a pocket at all.

My S4 Watch was great at all the stuff the watch was designed for: a read-only PDA (“Personal Digital Assistant,” for those too young to remember the Newton), all the activity stuff (which I can’t overemphasize), and an emergency backup for the phone. You didn’t want to use it as a phone, but it was much better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

But now with the Ultra, I feel like the watch is roughly as usable as the 4s was. Creating calendar events and reminders and even contacts is certainly no worse than it was on the phone; for short-and-simple stuff with Siri, it’s hands-down superior. I don’t want to compose long emails on the watch, but I didn’t want to on the 4s. Sure, the Ultra lacks a Web browser, but the Web wasn’t all that browseable on the 4s, either.

And I’m pretty sure that the speakerphone on the Ultra beats the one on the 4s — and, back in the day, the 4s was a pretty impressive speakerphone. Regardless, I’m quite happy with the Ultra as a speakerphone, such that I’ll use it rather than reach across a table to answer on my iPhone Xs.

I’ve ventured out a couple times without the Xs, and I’m not going to hesitate to do so in the future.

No, the Ultra can’t replace a modern full-featured phone. My Xs still has a damned excellent “vacation snapshot” camera, and the screen is (barely) large enough for ebooks, Web browsing, that sort of thing. I might get an iPhone 15, and almost certainly a 16 if not; when I do, I’ll get the biggest top-of-the-line model.

But, any time I’m reasonably confident that I don’t need a camera, don’t need a large display, etc. …

… well, that’s when my Ultra becomes my long-wished-for micro-mini smartphone.

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I plan on using mine more often as a standalone device and not be too dependent on my iPhone. These past few days I just left my iPhone at home and used the Watch and AirPods Pro instead. It’s nice to disconnect from your phone sometimes. Luckily I can make it through a whole day on a single charge with cellular.
 
Aren't there little web browser apps in the watch store?

I like the look of the ultra A LOT -- I am big fan of large watches. I just wish the battery life would last longer. I wonder how many days it could last will all the fancy features turned off.
 
Web wasn’t browsable on the 4S?

It was very browsable on my 4 at the time, so I don’t really understand this comment.


Still is. Just text yourself a URL and you can open it on the watch.
 
Web wasn’t browsable on the 4S?

It was very browsable on my 4 at the time, so I don’t really understand this comment.
This is sure to be a matter of opinion.

But what I remember of Web browsing on the 4s was that the screen was far too tiny to show much of anything; that “mobile optimized” sites were pale shadows of the “full version,” and the full version was like reading a newspaper through a postage stamp cutout; and that, even on WiFi, it was pretty slow — and mobile data was so slow and spotty that it was useless unless you had no other option.

And … did I mention? Really small screen. Even today, my XS is just barely adequate for reading books. It’s my one-and-only ebook reader, and I do get lost in a book once I start reading it. But the first page or three, I’m wishing I had gotten the XS Max. I doubt I’d bother with an ebook on a 4s — and, if a simple wall-of-text ebook is a royal pain to read on the device, think of how much worse it gets when you try to cram an entire Web page on it, especially a “responsive” one.

Now, recall just how bad (by today’s standards) Web design was in those days, especially for mobile devices ...

… and that’s what I meant by the Web not being all that browseable on the 4s.

Technically, yes. It had Safari. But it was there so you could look up your flight status in the taxi on your way to the airport, read enough of the headlines in the lobby on the airport’s WiFi to know who we were at war with that week, and not much else.

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Am I showing my age when I say, to me, if it makes and takes phone calls, it's a phone? The "full features" you speak of are non-phone functions.

Perhaps. I’m talking about simple contact management etc. But you’re right, if it can dial numbers….
 
Perhaps. I’m talking about simple contact management etc. But you’re right, if it can dial numbers….
I’d suggest that contact management on the Ultra is no more annoying than it was on the iPhone 4s. I’ve created new contacts, added a phone number from a text message to an existing contact, that sort of thing, all on the Ultra.

Yes, if I have any other device at hand, I’m using it instead of the Ultra.

But, if all I have is the Ultra, it’s no big deal at all. Indeed, if the alternative is to take a MacBook out of a laptop, that’s what’s the “it’s not worth it” big deal, with doing it all on the Ultra comparatively quick and painless.

Now, factor in just how often, even around the house, the phone is on the other side of the room, but the watch is right there …

… and that’s what I mean by it being my mini iPhone. It’s small enough to fit unobtrusively on my wrist and be there all the time, and it gets the job done for sooooo much of the banal stuff one uses a phone for.

That means that I don’t have to have my actual iPhone with me all the time; just when I need to read something or take a photo.

In turn, that means that, when I finally upgrade the XS, I can go full “phablet” and get the biggest and baddest whatever-it-is at the time, and not worry that it’s going to be a literal pain in the backside to carry around, because it’s primarily going to actually be a mini tablet with a camera, not something I use for all digital connectedness no matter how trivial.

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Kind of, they take screenshots of the website and send that to your watch.

According to this, actual web browser apps aren't allowed in the App Store. 😡 https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/448280/apple-watch-web-browsing-app/448286
Holy cow … that article had a great suggestion: ask Siri.

Even better: just tell Siri the Web site you want to browse to, such as, “macrumors.com.” Siri replies with, “Here’s what I found,” the requested site as the top hit, and a button to open it.

And … it’s actually readable! Nothing to get excited about, but plenty to entertain yourself while waiting for the bus to arrive. I think it’s even safe to say that it’s a clearly better browsing experience than what I remember of the 4s.

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So, I remember, back in the days of the iPhone 4s, how I often observed that the usable part of the display was the same size as a credit card, and how I wished for an iPhone that was just that size — edge-to-edge display, at most a quarter inch thick. It would be exactly as usable, but without all the extra bulk.

Instead, of course, phones got bigger, even though the bezels have thankfully long since vanished.

There’s a natural ambivalence with this sort of thing. On the one hand, when you’re using the phone, all else equal, you can’t have too big of a display. (Read into “all else equal,” caveats such as the challenge of holding something the size of the Sunday Times, or interacting with it, especially with one hand.) On the other hand, again, all else equal, when you’re not using the phone, it can’t be too small. Nobody wants the phone to dig into your leg when you sit down, let alone have it be too big to fit into a pocket at all.

My S4 Watch was great at all the stuff the watch was designed for: a read-only PDA (“Personal Digital Assistant,” for those too young to remember the Newton), all the activity stuff (which I can’t overemphasize), and an emergency backup for the phone. You didn’t want to use it as a phone, but it was much better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

But now with the Ultra, I feel like the watch is roughly as usable as the 4s was. Creating calendar events and reminders and even contacts is certainly no worse than it was on the phone; for short-and-simple stuff with Siri, it’s hands-down superior. I don’t want to compose long emails on the watch, but I didn’t want to on the 4s. Sure, the Ultra lacks a Web browser, but the Web wasn’t all that browseable on the 4s, either.

And I’m pretty sure that the speakerphone on the Ultra beats the one on the 4s — and, back in the day, the 4s was a pretty impressive speakerphone. Regardless, I’m quite happy with the Ultra as a speakerphone, such that I’ll use it rather than reach across a table to answer on my iPhone Xs.

I’ve ventured out a couple times without the Xs, and I’m not going to hesitate to do so in the future.

No, the Ultra can’t replace a modern full-featured phone. My Xs still has a damned excellent “vacation snapshot” camera, and the screen is (barely) large enough for ebooks, Web browsing, that sort of thing. I might get an iPhone 15, and almost certainly a 16 if not; when I do, I’ll get the biggest top-of-the-line model.

But, any time I’m reasonably confident that I don’t need a camera, don’t need a large display, etc. …

… well, that’s when my Ultra becomes my long-wished-for micro-mini smartphone.

b&
I agree. It’s a fantastic multi-use device with true 2 day battery for moderate usage, and quite a bit more for lighter usage. Even though display is only 1.8% larger than the S7/8, the flat display design makes it feel larger. I’ve loved my Ultra.
 
Perhaps. I’m talking about simple contact management etc. But you’re right, if it can dial numbers….
When I was growing up, you did contact management by carrying a small contact book with you, and scribbling in it. It had alphabetized tabbed sections, so you could organize your contacts alphabetically. The phone didn't do anything other than just call. Come to think of it, the phones didn't move, and if you wanted to make phone calls while out, you had to find a pay phone. :D

In turn, that means that, when I finally upgrade the XS, I can go full “phablet” and get the biggest and baddest whatever-it-is at the time, and not worry that it’s going to be a literal pain in the backside to carry around, because it’s primarily going to actually be a mini tablet with a camera, not something I use for all digital connectedness no matter how trivial.
Yes, exactly. Right now we need an iPhone to set up the watch, and cell phone companies don't have watch-only cell plans. But I'm hoping the day will come when the watch will be my "phone," and I can ditch the iPhone and just have iPads as my screen device.
 
As someone who owned an iPhone 4s (and earlier), “the Apple Watch ultra is as usable as an iPhone 4s” has to be one of the most preposterous propositions I’ve seen on this website, and I’ve been here 19 years. The iPhone 4s had a dedicated camera, a full featured web browser, the ability to play (abs record) video, and a vastly larger screen. I’m glad people like their AW ultras, but c’mon man.
 
I’m trying to get in to the habit of leaving my phone behind. But… it’s a habit.
 
When I was growing up, you did contact management by carrying a small contact book with you, and scribbling in it. It had alphabetized tabbed sections, so you could organize your contacts alphabetically. The phone didn't do anything other than just call. Come to think of it, the phones didn't move, and if you wanted to make phone calls while out, you had to find a pay phone. Yes, exactly. Right now we need an iPhone to set up the watch, and cell phone companies don't have watch-only cell plans. But I'm hoping the day will come when the watch will be my "phone," and I can ditch the iPhone and just have iPads as my screen device.


I remember when I used to learn people’s phone numbers. It wasn’t even worthwhile reprogramming every time I changed phones. :D Now I seriously couldn’t tell you my gf’s number. That’s actually pretty terrible, I need to rectify that.

Things have changed.
 
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I remember when I used to learn people’s phone numbers. It wasn’t even worthwhile reprogramming every time I changed phones. :D Now I seriously couldn’t tell you my gf’s number. That’s actually pretty terrible, I need to rectify that.

Things have changed.
I don't even remember my own phone number. :p
 
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