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Can any owners of the new 15" owners comment on how the machine is from a heat perspective. If you use it on your lap for 20-45 minutes will it start to get quite warm or does it stay cool.

I am concerned that it will be uncomfortable even doing light tasks.

For me, no problem at all. It gets a little warm when charging but just doing simple stuff - it's as cold as if it were turned off. I've used it several hrs straight in my lap without problem (light use that is)
 
For me, no problem at all. It gets a little warm when charging but just doing simple stuff - it's as cold as if it were turned off. I've used it several hrs straight in my lap without problem (light use that is)
Thanks. I have a 2012 13" Air that never really gets warm but it has a 1.8 Core 2 or something in it. I've borrowed and used a mid-2015 15" MBP stock config and found that it got very warm in my lap after 10-15 minutes, so much so, that I needed to put it aside. And I was only going to webpages and gmail, with a few short 1-2 minute you tube videos. Maybe it was that machine.
 
For me, no problem at all. It gets a little warm when charging but just doing simple stuff - it's as cold as if it were turned off. I've used it several hrs straight in my lap without problem (light use that is)
same here...i have the base i7 2.2 ghz and 555X
 
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same here...i have the base i7 2.2 ghz and 555X

I think 2.2 gigahertz of 6 cores is quite great a boost anyway for a lot of us. I am waiting on pricing of these laptops in my country. I am currently getting a fine deal of around $1300 for my TB 13" 2016 with 8GB/256GB stock.
 
Thanks. I was wondering about this for some time. How's the battery holding up in standby? Is the battery getting drained quickly unplugged while asleep? DDR4 tells me that standby battery consumption won't be great...but only the people who own the machines will know.

My 2016 15" is HORRIBLE for battery drain while asleep. I'm parked on these forums trying to glean info from everyone on the improvements.
 
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Here is mine, 13" Touch Bar 2016. Started it this morning and it has been idle for a maximum of 4 hours cumulative. Rest of the time, I have been browsing MacRumors (and making posts) and other websites and typing things in Bear Notes. That's it.
 

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Can chime in about the 13" - first two days battery life was around 7-8 hours, now Battery Health 2 is estimating 12 hours from a full charge :).

This is the i7 model as well.

All I've been doing with it today is Safari, YouTube, basic Mac apps though. Not quite heavy load. It feels quite cool.
 
My 2016 15" is HORRIBLE for battery drain while asleep. I'm parked on these forums trying to glean info from everyone on the improvements.

That's why I never buy 1st gen products from any company including apple. It's a hard lesson I've learned over the years of owning 1st gen products and having personally experienced the pains of being an early adapter. 1st gen products will always have some sort of glaring issues and this includes even the iphone x.

When 12" macbook came out in 2015, it looked very attractive but I knew it would have some sort of issues that aren't so obvious and lo and behold, many owners had complained about the battery degradation issues and even though they've improved on the battery chemistry over the last 2 years I have yet to see the batteries hold up as well as mbp batteries do. Hell I've seen a guy w/ 2200 charges w/ 90% battery capacity on his 2013 mbp over at reddit, let alone 2015 marks the year when the new keyboard was introduced. We all know how the keyboard story turned out.

It goes w/o saying that all technologies take many years to reach maturity. I wager the new keyboard designs by apple is the first of its kind and b/c of it, it's bound to have issues. A few things that professors taught me while I was in my engineering school many years ago were 1. the simpler the better 2. nothing works the first time, I mean absolutely nothing. When I see movies where people power up their brilliant machines that look incredibly complicated and took them years or rather in some cases 3 months to put them together and when they magically work and they go, "Yes!", I just laugh.

I'm sure apple put some of the smartest designers and engineers on the team to design these things for the goal of making the 'next gen' keyboards and took them easily years to come up w/ it but at the end of the day, everything boiled down to 'not enough' rigorous testing. Logitech's romer-g keyboards took them 2.5 - 3 years to design if my memory serves me correctly. Their high-end gaming models (like G910) are tested for 70 million keystrokes. I really doubt if apple's done any kind of rigorous, real-life testing to these keyboards before shipping.

Mbps always have had its share of issues during its 1st gen - this includes 2008, 2012 and 2016. My current 2012 rmbp which I am typing on when it first came out had also its share of problems including dead pixels and choppy ui animations. It took a couple of years for them to iron out the laggy ui animations in rmbps but my 6-year old mbp still has laggy ui animations even to this day. It does not bother me too much but I can totally understand why it can bother some people.

When 2016 mbp came out, I was blown away by its space grey colour and the touch id and its new looks, but I held on to my trusty 2012 mbp. I had given some very serious thoughts of buying one when it first came out but eventually I decided not to. I decided to wait. Fast forward 2 years to 2018, I'm still waiting. I don't think it's a worthy upgrade from my 2012 mbp considering all the throttling issues going around and we don't know how reliable the new keyboard is. Yes it is better, but how much better? We don't know. I doubt it will be as good as the prior 2015 keyboards. I have yet to hear anyone complaining about failed keyboards on these prior 2015 models due to crumbs or dusts getting inside. I can bang on my 2012 keyboards all day, all night, all year and I am very confident that they won't fail me.

I agree w/ someone who said we need to see at least another revision to the 3rd gen keyboard to completely fix it. Personally I'm doubtful. This 3rd gen keyboard seems to me is more of an intermittent fix before we transition into the virtual smart keyboards that they've been working on. Perhaps maybe we will see another minor revision akin to from 1st to 2nd gen but I'm not expecting any groundbreaking changes either.

Even 2018 mbp is kinda a 1st gen product in the sense that it's the first gen that has 6 cores that use similar 14nm process node from last year. Even though 'improvements' as they call it have been made, it's still 14nm. 2019 mbps should definitely improve on the thermal and the battery performances if they move to lpddr4 and 10nm which in theory should appease the vast majority of the complaints. But I also know that if those issues are taken care of, then people will complain about something else like design is getting old, it's got the same old thick black bezels, no 4k display, no touch display, no face id, no oled, no 120hz, it's still super expensive, etc etc.

I'm expecting a redesign for mbp in 2020 and specs wise, it's looking very good. But as it will be a first gen product, I'm gonna pass. I will wait and see what others are gonna say.
 
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That's why I never buy 1st gen products from any company including apple. It's a hard lesson I've learned over the years of owning 1st gen products and having personally experienced the pains of being an early adapter. 1st gen products will always have some sort of glaring issues and this includes even the iphone x.

When 12" macbook came out in 2015, it looked very attractive but I knew it would have some sort of issues that aren't so obvious and lo and behold, many owners had complained about the battery degradation issues and even though they've improved on the battery chemistry over the last 2 years I have yet to see the batteries hold up as well as mbp batteries do. Hell I've seen a guy w/ 2200 charges w/ 90% battery capacity on his 2013 mbp over at reddit, let alone 2015 marks the year when the new keyboard was introduced. We all know how the keyboard story turned out.

It goes w/o saying that all technologies take many years to reach maturity. I wager the new keyboard designs by apple is the first of its kind and b/c of it, it's bound to have issues. A few things that professors taught me while I was in my engineering school many years ago were 1. the simpler the better 2. nothing works the first time, I mean absolutely nothing. When I see movies where people power up their brilliant machines that look incredibly complicated and took them years or rather in some cases 3 months to put them together and when they magically work and they go, "Yes!", I just laugh.

I'm sure apple put some of the smartest designers and engineers on the team to design these things for the goal of making the 'next gen' keyboards and took them easily years to come up w/ it but at the end of the day, everything boiled down to 'not enough' rigorous testing. Logitech's romer-g keyboards took them 2.5 - 3 years to design if my memory serves me correctly. Their high-end gaming models (like G910) are tested for 70 million keystrokes. I really doubt if apple's done any kind of rigorous, real-life testing to these keyboards before shipping.

Mbps always have had its share of issues during its 1st gen - this includes 2008, 2012 and 2016. My current 2012 rmbp which I am typing on when it first came out had also its share of problems including dead pixels and choppy ui animations. It took a couple of years for them to iron out the laggy ui animations in rmbps but my 6-year old mbp still has laggy ui animations even to this day. It does not bother me too much but I can totally understand why it can bother some people.

When 2016 mbp came out, I was blown away by its space grey colour and the touch id and its new looks, but I held on to my trusty 2012 mbp. I had given some very serious thoughts of buying one when it first came out but eventually I decided not to. I decided to wait. Fast forward 2 years to 2018, I'm still waiting. I don't think it's a worthy upgrade from my 2012 mbp considering all the throttling issues going around and we don't know how reliable the new keyboard is. Yes it is better, but how much better? We don't know. I doubt it will be as good as the prior 2015 keyboards. I have yet to hear anyone complaining about failed keyboards on these prior 2015 models due to crumbs or dusts getting inside. I can bang on my 2012 keyboards all day, all night, all year and I am very confident that they won't fail me.

I agree w/ someone who said we need to see at least another revision to the 3rd gen keyboard to completely fix it. Personally I'm doubtful. This 3rd gen keyboard seems to me is more of an intermittent fix before we transition into the virtual smart keyboards that they've been working on. Perhaps maybe we will see another minor revision akin to from 1st to 2nd gen but I'm not expecting any groundbreaking changes either.

Even 2018 mbp is kinda a 1st gen product in the sense that it's the first gen that has 6 cores that use similar 14nm process node from last year. Even though 'improvements' as they call it have been made, it's still 14nm. 2019 mbps should definitely improve on the thermal and the battery performances if they move to lpddr4 and 10nm which in theory should appease the vast majority of the complaints. But I also know that if those issues are taken care of, then people will complain about something else like design is getting old, it's got the same old thick black bezels, no 4k display, no touch display, no face id, no oled, no 120hz, it's still super expensive, etc etc.

I'm expecting a redesign for mbp in 2020 and specs wise, it's looking very good. But as it will be a first gen product, I'm gonna pass. I will wait and see what others are gonna say.

So, you will probably buy a notebook in 2021 or 2022?
 
That's why I never buy 1st gen products from any company including apple. It's a hard lesson I've learned over the years of owning 1st gen products and having personally experienced the pains of being an early adapter. 1st gen products will always have some sort of glaring issues and this includes even the iphone x.

When 12" macbook came out in 2015, it looked very attractive but I knew it would have some sort of issues that aren't so obvious and lo and behold, many owners had complained about the battery degradation issues and even though they've improved on the battery chemistry over the last 2 years I have yet to see the batteries hold up as well as mbp batteries do. Hell I've seen a guy w/ 2200 charges w/ 90% battery capacity on his 2013 mbp over at reddit, let alone 2015 marks the year when the new keyboard was introduced. We all know how the keyboard story turned out.

It goes w/o saying that all technologies take many years to reach maturity. I wager the new keyboard designs by apple is the first of its kind and b/c of it, it's bound to have issues. A few things that professors taught me while I was in my engineering school many years ago were 1. the simpler the better 2. nothing works the first time, I mean absolutely nothing. When I see movies where people power up their brilliant machines that look incredibly complicated and took them years or rather in some cases 3 months to put them together and when they magically work and they go, "Yes!", I just laugh.

I'm sure apple put some of the smartest designers and engineers on the team to design these things for the goal of making the 'next gen' keyboards and took them easily years to come up w/ it but at the end of the day, everything boiled down to 'not enough' rigorous testing. Logitech's romer-g keyboards took them 2.5 - 3 years to design if my memory serves me correctly. Their high-end gaming models (like G910) are tested for 70 million keystrokes. I really doubt if apple's done any kind of rigorous, real-life testing to these keyboards before shipping.

Mbps always have had its share of issues during its 1st gen - this includes 2008, 2012 and 2016. My current 2012 rmbp which I am typing on when it first came out had also its share of problems including dead pixels and choppy ui animations. It took a couple of years for them to iron out the laggy ui animations in rmbps but my 6-year old mbp still has laggy ui animations even to this day. It does not bother me too much but I can totally understand why it can bother some people.

When 2016 mbp came out, I was blown away by its space grey colour and the touch id and its new looks, but I held on to my trusty 2012 mbp. I had given some very serious thoughts of buying one when it first came out but eventually I decided not to. I decided to wait. Fast forward 2 years to 2018, I'm still waiting. I don't think it's a worthy upgrade from my 2012 mbp considering all the throttling issues going around and we don't know how reliable the new keyboard is. Yes it is better, but how much better? We don't know. I doubt it will be as good as the prior 2015 keyboards. I have yet to hear anyone complaining about failed keyboards on these prior 2015 models due to crumbs or dusts getting inside. I can bang on my 2012 keyboards all day, all night, all year and I am very confident that they won't fail me.

I agree w/ someone who said we need to see at least another revision to the 3rd gen keyboard to completely fix it. Personally I'm doubtful. This 3rd gen keyboard seems to me is more of an intermittent fix before we transition into the virtual smart keyboards that they've been working on. Perhaps maybe we will see another minor revision akin to from 1st to 2nd gen but I'm not expecting any groundbreaking changes either.

Even 2018 mbp is kinda a 1st gen product in the sense that it's the first gen that has 6 cores that use similar 14nm process node from last year. Even though 'improvements' as they call it have been made, it's still 14nm. 2019 mbps should definitely improve on the thermal and the battery performances if they move to lpddr4 and 10nm which in theory should appease the vast majority of the complaints. But I also know that if those issues are taken care of, then people will complain about something else like design is getting old, it's got the same old thick black bezels, no 4k display, no touch display, no face id, no oled, no 120hz, it's still super expensive, etc etc.

I'm expecting a redesign for mbp in 2020 and specs wise, it's looking very good. But as it will be a first gen product, I'm gonna pass. I will wait and see what others are gonna say.
If you count the iPhone X as a first gen (redesigned) product, I can say it's an exception. It's really really good.
 
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That's why I never buy 1st gen products from any company including apple. It's a hard lesson I've learned over the years of owning 1st gen products and having personally experienced the pains of being an early adapter. 1st gen products will always have some sort of glaring issues and this includes even the iphone x.

Not always.
Don't have any problems with the iPhone X and don't have any problems with my first gen Retina Macbook Pro (which is 6 years old now).
 
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Not always.
Don't have any problems with the iPhone X and don't have any problems with my first gen Retina Macbook Pro (which is 6 years old now).

To each his own. I don't own an iphone x so I cannot testify to that experience. But I've heard of instances of mild degree of image burn-ins and some complaints about the limitation of the face id being limited to only 1 face in the iphone x. The other complaint I often read about iphone x is how easily scratched the ss sidebands are especially on the silver variant. As for sg model, once the pvc coating comes off the mark is there permanently.

My current mbp is also 2012 model which is 6 years old. I bought it the moment it came out in 2012 it's had its share of issues - dead pixels being the major one. I had to replace it 7 times before I settled on one that didn't have any. Even after that, the ui animations weren't the smoothest. It's still laggy when resizing windows and it's still there to this day.
 
1st gen products will always have some sort of glaring issues and this includes even the iphone x.
While there's truth to be had there, a great many first adopters use their stuff for years uneventfully and you never hear about it because the motivation to jump onto an internet message board just to announce, "hey you guys, I'm not having any problems with any of my stuff!" simply isn't all that great. ;)

Also, the Airpods I bought back in january of last year are working out pretty spliffingly I have to say. A few times they've bugged on me, but usually no worse than taking out of charging case and putting back in again (or putting back in, then taking out) won't fix.

Hell I've seen a guy w/ 2200 charges w/ 90% battery capacity on his 2013 mbp over at reddit
That'd be crazy impressive if it's 2200 full cycles, as opposed to literally charges (which might mean just a small top-up.)

Logitech's romer-g keyboards took them 2.5 - 3 years to design if my memory serves me correctly.
HA. In your vein of not buying first-gen products:

I thumped Logitech's original romer-g keyboard whatever it was called (Orion something-or-other IIRC) with my fist, and it immediately DIED. As in completely 100% stopped working, no visible external damage whatsoever. I didn't even thump it all that hard, I've bashed Cherry switched Corsair keyboards much harder and they've just shrugged it off. Not to mention oldstyle rubber dome switches, some of which were virtually indestructible short of taking like an axe (or perhaps a flamethrower :p) to them... All you had to do was pick up all the little keytops scattered across the room and snap them back on, heheh.
 
Im on the same boat with OP
Under light usage, i got around 10 hours and 20-30min, from 100% to 5%
Same light usage never got me more than 7-8 hours on the 13"/15" 2016 models...
So i wonder whats changed since then?
macOS softwars updates, larger battery life, same cpu (on light usage i dont know if it counts that is quad core or six)
Today i got more than 5 hours and 10 min from 100%-15% on FCP and some coding
I think this is the real deal on Apple marketing these MBP to have 10 hours usage
So after 2 generations, Apple get the keyboard and the battery how it should have been from 2016 day 1

What cpu, GPU and screen size do you use?
 
Ok. I'll make this short. I've seen many ppl wondering about the battery life of the new MBP (15"). From my experience it's incredible. Although I come from a 2016 13" with crappy battery life. Here is my screenshot from the activity monitor:

Mind you, that this is my first cycle, so it's only gonna get better. View attachment 771640

For this first cycle I've mainly used the machine for safari, Spotify, twitch, youtube and also repartition the drive.

edit: Screen brightness has been at about 50%
Why did you go from 13 to 15?
 
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