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The Bendguy Cheated You Again.

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bengay

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Consumer reports did a scientific test and said "All the phones we tested showed themselves to be pretty tough". So I didn't want to make a new bend thread but I have to. The bend guy cheated us again on the 2nd video. He used arms and full leverage when bending iPhone 6 plus but used only fingers when trying to bend Moto X. Given enough force or leverage, you can bend or break anything. See the how to bend tutorial video.

How to bend tutorial video: http://youtu.be/k8I9hTMfmeg
Bend guy's 2nd cheating video : http://youtu.be/gJ3Ds6uf0Yg
Bend guy's 1st fake video : http://youtu.be/znK652H6yQM
 

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bengay said:
Consumer reports did a scientific test and said "All the phones we tested showed themselves to be pretty tough". So I didn't want to make a new bend thread but I have to. The bend guy cheated us again on the 2nd video. He used arms and full leverage when bending iPhone 6 plus but used only fingers when trying to bend Moto X. Given enough force or leverage, you can bend or break anything. See the how to bend tutorial video.

How to bend tutorial video: http://youtu.be/k8I9hTMfmeg
Bend guy's 2nd cheating video : http://youtu.be/gJ3Ds6uf0Yg
Bend guy's 1st fake video : http://youtu.be/znK652H6yQM
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Interesting observation. Also, he has it off camera for a moment exchanging the iPhone for another one AND he put the "sealed" iPhone through the process of setting it up?! He must have had an Internet connection for that, couldn't have done that without a sim inserted. Why does he set it up? Why not show the "slide to set up" screen?
 
bengay said:
Consumer reports did a scientific test and said "All the phones we tested showed themselves to be pretty tough". So I didn't want to make a new bend thread but I have to. The bend guy cheated us again on the 2nd video. He used arms and full leverage when bending iPhone 6 plus but used only fingers when trying to bend Moto X. Given enough force or leverage, you can bend or break anything. See the how to bend tutorial video.

How to bend tutorial video: http://youtu.be/k8I9hTMfmeg
Bend guy's 2nd cheating video : http://youtu.be/gJ3Ds6uf0Yg
Bend guy's 1st fake video : http://youtu.be/znK652H6yQM
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Apple needs to sue this guy. What a tool.
 
I doubt there ever will be a video that the Apologists will not discredit ;)

Good luck in the crusade against this bloke!
 
MH01 said:
I doubt there ever will be a video that the Apologists will not discredit ;)

Good luck in the crusade against this bloke!
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Right. And by the same token if everyone doesn't take the word of some guy with a YouTube account as the gospel truth they're all "apologists."

People who live in glass houses...
 
How old are you guys posting these threads?

You have to be kidding? This one needs to be closed.

No, nothing you have posted OP shows or demonstrates that anyone cheated or faked anything regarding bending the phone. Your conclusions do not follow.
 
bengay said:
Consumer reports did a scientific test and said "All the phones we tested showed themselves to be pretty tough". So I didn't want to make a new bend thread but I have to. The bend guy cheated us again on the 2nd video. He used arms and full leverage when bending iPhone 6 plus but used only fingers when trying to bend Moto X. Given enough force or leverage, you can bend or break anything. See the how to bend tutorial video.

How to bend tutorial video: http://youtu.be/k8I9hTMfmeg
Bend guy's 2nd cheating video : http://youtu.be/gJ3Ds6uf0Yg
Bend guy's 1st fake video : http://youtu.be/znK652H6yQM
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Beyond ridiculous. I sincerely feel embarrassed for you.

You can exert force not only with your arms, but your upper back too through your thumbs with your arms straight out in that position. You could argue he put less pressure on the iPhone than he did on the Moto X actually. Regardless, you can see the stress on his thumbs when he puts pressure on the Moto X, something your stills don't show. If anything, you're trying to cheat Apple fans, by making them think this is fake. You're the fraud here.

Guys like the OP make the rest of us Apple fans look silly. You do us a greater disservice than the Bendgate guy. He's putting new info out there, you're making us all look like clowns who'll do anything to avoid confronting inconvenient truths.

Also, Consumer reports confirms bendgate. Only 70lbs of force to bend an iPhone 6+. 140lbs for the Samsung.

70lbs isn't much at all. Sit on an iPhone 6+ on a soft chair and it should bend.
 
booksbooks said:
How old are you guys posting these threads?

You have to be kidding? This one needs to be closed.

No, nothing you have posted OP shows or demonstrates that anyone cheated or faked anything regarding bending the phone. Your conclusions do not follow.
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I seem to think you might actually be Mr. Hilsenteger is that right?
 
booksbooks said:
How old are you guys posting these threads?

You have to be kidding? This one needs to be closed.

No, nothing you have posted OP shows or demonstrates that anyone cheated or faked anything regarding bending the phone. Your conclusions do not follow.
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Simply making the assertion doesn't magically make it true, however the broader point (that we already have enough threads on this) is accurate.

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TJ82 said:
Beyond ridiculous. I sincerely feel embarrassed for you.

You can exert force not only with your arms, but your upper back too through your thumbs with your arms straight out in that position. You could argue he put less pressure on the iPhone than he did on the Moto X actually. Regardless, you can see the stress on his thumbs when he puts pressure on the Moto X, something your stills don't show. If anything, you're trying to cheat Apple fans, by making them think this is fake. You're the fraud here.

Guys like the OP make the rest of us Apple fans look silly. You do us a greater disservice than the Bendgate guy. He's putting new info out there, you're making us all look like clowns who'll do anything to avoid confronting inconvenient truths.

Also, Consumer reports confirms bendgate. Only 70lbs of force to bend an iPhone 6+. 140lbs for the Samsung.

70lbs isn't much at all. Sit on an iPhone 6+ on a soft chair and it should bend.
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The CR test was 90 pounds to get it to deform the case, not to make a permanent bend. It took 100 to get that and 110 to break the screen free. Additionally you'd be hard pressed to concentrate that much pressure in that small amount of space when sitting down on it. Look at your behind. Your weight is distributed across all of it when you sit and your rear isn't even taking the full weight of your body. So the conclusion you're drawing above? Spurious.
 
TJ82 said:
Beyond ridiculous. I sincerely feel embarrassed for you.

You can exert force not only with your arms, but your upper back too through your thumbs with your arms straight out in that position. You could argue he put less pressure on the iPhone than he did on the Moto X actually. Regardless, you can see the stress on his thumbs when he puts pressure on the Moto X, something your stills don't show. If anything, you're trying to cheat Apple fans, by making them think this is fake. You're the fraud here.

Guys like the OP make the rest of us Apple fans look silly. You do us a greater disservice than the Bendgate guy. He's putting new info out there, you're making us all look like clowns who'll do anything to avoid confronting inconvenient truths.

Also, Consumer reports confirms bendgate. Only 70lbs of force to bend an iPhone 6+. 140lbs for the Samsung.

70lbs isn't much at all. Sit on an iPhone 6+ on a soft chair and it should bend.
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you dont understand physics!

what the OP is tellling us correctly the video guy is exerting different support conditions and different load conditions on both phones.

in the iphone 6 he's exerting 2 point loads and 2 twisting moments.
in the Moto he's exerting 2 point loads but no moment at the ends which he's holding firmly (copying the CR test condition)

anything will bend with twisting moment applied at the end supports.

I know it's hard to understand if you've never studied physics or mechanincs but that's how it works.

As for the bent arms: ask any baseballer why is so important to have that bent arm at 90 degress when you make contact to the ball.....
 
Surf Monkey said:
Simply making the assertion doesn't magically make it true, however the broader point (that we already have enough threads on this) is accurate.

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The CR test was 90 pounds to get it to deform the case, not to make a permanent bend. It took 100 to get that and 110 to break the screen free. Additionally you'd be hard pressed to concentrate that much pressure in that small amount of space when sitting down on it. Look at your behind. Your weight is distributed across all of it when you sit and your rear isn't even taking the full weight of your body. So the conclusion you're drawing above? Spurious.
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The CR test was:

  • Just 70 pounds for the iPhone 6 to deform
  • 90 pounds for the 6 Plus to deform
  • 150 pounds for the Note 3 to deform

You are clearly not a scientist or physicist. Your posts are just off the cuff. These are answers you did not know when you posted:

1. How much of a person's weight is funnelled to their rear when sitting evenly?
2. What are real life examples of pounds of pressure that people can naturally place against things?

Further, you are in error. It is NOT THE CASE that the iPhones were not permanently bent after 70 and 90 pounds of pressure. Watch the video again.
 
booksbooks said:
How old are you guys posting these threads?

You have to be kidding? This one needs to be closed.

No, nothing you have posted OP shows or demonstrates that anyone cheated or faked anything regarding bending the phone. Your conclusions do not follow.
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if the guy tests two different phones and applies two different load and support conditions I call that anything else but cheating!
 
Surf Monkey said:
Simply making the assertion doesn't magically make it true, however the broader point (that we already have enough threads on this) is accurate.

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The CR test was 90 pounds to get it to deform the case, not to make a permanent bend. It took 100 to get that and 110 to break the screen free. Additionally you'd be hard pressed to concentrate that much pressure in that small amount of space when sitting down on it. Look at your behind. Your weight is distributed across all of it when you sit and your rear isn't even taking the full weight of your body. So the conclusion you're drawing above? Spurious.
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Which also applies to the Samsung. Which still makes it far stronger that the iPhone. Most people weigh more than these weights regardless and that doesn't take into account additional forces like speed, momentum, etc.

Spurious indeed.
 
booksbooks said:
The CR test was:

  • Just 70 pounds for the iPhone 6 to deform
  • 90 pounds for the 6 Plus to deform
  • 150 pounds for the Note 3 to deform

You are clearly not a scientist or physicist. Your posts are just off the cuff. These are answers you did not know when you posted:

1. How much of a person's weight is funnelled to their rear when sitting evenly?
2. What are real life examples of pounds of pressure that people can naturally place against things?

Further, you are in error. It is NOT THE CASE that the iPhones were not permanently bent after 70 and 90 pounds of pressure. Watch the video again.
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who in their right mind, under normal usage, puts their phones under 70 pounds of force??
 
saab9573 said:
you dont understand physics!

what the OP is tellling us correctly the video guy is exerting different support conditions and different load conditions on both phones.

in the iphone 6 he's exerting 2 point loads and 2 twisting moments.
in the Moto he's exerting 2 point loads but no moment at the ends which he's holding firmly (copying the CR test condition)

anything will bend with twisting moment applied at the end supports.

I know it's hard to understand if you've never studied physics or mechanincs but that's how it works.

As for the bent arms: ask any baseballer why is so important to have that bent arm at 90 degress when you make contact to the ball.....
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You, or anyone else for that matter, do not know how much force he applied to either phone. Therefore, any conclusions you're making here simply do not follow.

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saab9573 said:
who in their right mind, under normal usage, puts their phones under 70 pounds of force??
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What is 70 pounds of force in the real world? How hard is it to apply 70 pounds of force naturally against an object? Is it easy to do?

Most people I am certain do not in any fashion know the answer to this.

You people just fling these terms around and don't understand what they mean in reality.
 
saab9573 said:
you dont understand physics!

what the OP is tellling us correctly the video guy is exerting different support conditions and different load conditions on both phones.

in the iphone 6 he's exerting 2 point loads and 2 twisting moments.
in the Moto he's exerting 2 point loads but no moment at the ends which he's holding firmly (copying the CR test condition)

anything will bend with twisting moment applied at the end supports.

I know it's hard to understand if you've never studied physics or mechanincs but that's how it works.

As for the bent arms: ask any baseballer why is so important to have that bent arm at 90 degress when you make contact to the ball.....
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OP is telling us that he exerted less force on the Moto than the iPhone.

With no empirical evidence to support that.

All we have are convoluted, incoherent ramblings about 'physics hurr durr' and asking some 'baseballer hurr durr'.
 
TJ82 said:
Which also applies to the Samsung. Which still makes it far stronger that the iPhone. Most people weigh more than these weights regardless and that doesn't take into account additional forces like speed, momentum, etc.

Spurious indeed.
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again you dont understand physics....

the loads the CR and this youtube guy are putting on the phones are point loads...or concentrated loads you can also call them.

a person sitting on a phone will never be able to recreate a point load.

the load of the body is firstly spread to the feet and then your bottom wich in turn is divide by 2 (2 cheeks)

even then you have a large area (your flesh) spreading your weight over the phone.

do you understand this right?

so unless you go with one finger and exert 70 pounds of force you wont bend the iphone....
 
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