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The Bendguy Cheated You Again.

We can extrapolate a little on what it's like to naturally apply force to something. The CR Report showed that it took 80 pounds of force to break 4 pencils. Those pencils don't really bend they just fail with a break.

The CR guy wasn't able to break 4 with his hands holding them similar to the YouTube guy. With 3 pencils it was fairly easy for him to apply enough force to break them. On a cursory analysis (far from perfect), we could say a quick and dirty assumption may be that each pencil takes 20 pounds of force, or 60 for 3 pencils. Since the iPhone Plus bends so easily doing the same action, it may take no more than 60 pounds of force to cause a permanent failure (bend).

More math is needed for accuracy as this is just extrapolation but may provide some reasonable estimate.
 
saab9573 said:
again you dont understand physics....

the loads the CR and this youtube guy are putting on the phones are point loads...or concentrated loads you can also call them.

a person sitting on a phone will never be able to recreate a point load.

the load of the body is firstly spread to the feet and then your bottom wich in turn is divide by 2 (2 cheeks)

even then you have a large area (your flesh) spreading your weight over the phone.

do you understand this right?

so unless you go with one finger and exert 70 pounds of force you wont bend the iphone....
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You nearly made a coherent point. You've repeated my point made in another thread about the area of contact and force applied, but you left out the other side of the story, comically.

People weigh more more than 70 lbs and if you include speed and momentum, duration and other stresses then you can easily begin to see why the iPhone 6 and 6+ have been bending in real world usage.

Which is how bendgate started before the YT video.

None of which means that bendgate is fake or that the YT video is fake in any case.
 
saab9573 said:
again you dont understand physics....

the loads the CR and this youtube guy are putting on the phones are point loads...or concentrated loads you can also call them.

a person sitting on a phone will never be able to recreate a point load.

the load of the body is firstly spread to the feet and then your bottom wich in turn is divide by 2 (2 cheeks)

even then you have a large area (your flesh) spreading your weight over the phone.

do you understand this right?

so unless you go with one finger and exert 70 pounds of force you wont bend the iphone....
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You seem to completely fail to understand that controlled testing conditions do NOT in any fashion mean that the real world will be the same. In other words, you have this implicit conclusion that the only way the phone can bend is by sitting on it with your rear, when it's in your back pocket.

Get away from that. The real world is full of tons of use cases and variables that may cause the phone to bend. I had mine in my front pocket in tight pants the other day going up and down steep stairs. My leg is round and since the Plus is so big, as I was bending my legs to traverse the stairs, I looked down at it sometimes and could see that such conditions were causing it to look like it was being stressed in the middle. Specially when it shifts a bit in the pocket and slides around.

What these controlled tests tell us is that:

1. It's extremely easy to bend the 6 Plus with your hands; and
2. The new iPhones perform horribly on the CR test compared to the old iPhone 5 and Note 3.
 
TJ82 said:
You nearly made a coherent point. You've repeated my point made in another thread about the area of contact and force applied, but you left out the other side of the story, comically.

People weigh more more than 70 lbs and if you include speed and momentum, duration and other stresses then you can easily begin to see why the iPhone 6 and 6+ have been bending in real world usage.

Which is how bendgate started before the YT video.

None of which means that bendgate is fake or that the YT video is fake in any case.
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that's not the point.

common sense tells you not to put a 900 dollar electronic device which is made of glass and aluminum in your back pocket and sit on it...

sorry but that's users fault.

cant see how Apple and their design can take the blame.

people are aware these devices are 6,9 and 7,1 mm thin....right?

Apple makes a big deal of it's thinness

if you want the device to be rugged get an Otterbox defender case....that's why that company exists...

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booksbooks said:
You seem to completely fail to understand that controlled testing conditions do NOT in any fashion mean that the real world will be the same. In other words, you have this implicit conclusion that the only way the phone can bend is by sitting on it with your rear, when it's in your back pocket.

Get away from that. The real world is full of tons of use cases and variables that may cause the phone to bend. I had mine in my front pocket in tight pants the other day going up and down steep stairs. My leg is round and since the Plus is so big, as I was bending my legs to traverse the stairs, I looked down at it sometimes and could see that such conditions were causing it to look like it was being stressed in the middle. Specially when it shifts a bit in the pocket and slides around.

What these controlled tests tell us is that:

1. It's extremely easy to bend the 6 Plus with your hands; and
2. The new iPhones perform horribly on the CR test compared to the old iPhone 5 and Note 3.
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WTF???

by bending your legs you were applying a 70 pound force onto the phone??

are you Hulk??

get real man.

your argument is weak.....almost non-existent.

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booksbooks said:
You seem to completely fail to understand that controlled testing conditions do NOT in any fashion mean that the real world will be the same. In other words, you have this implicit conclusion that the only way the phone can bend is by sitting on it with your rear, when it's in your back pocket.

Get away from that. The real world is full of tons of use cases and variables that may cause the phone to bend. I had mine in my front pocket in tight pants the other day going up and down steep stairs. My leg is round and since the Plus is so big, as I was bending my legs to traverse the stairs, I looked down at it sometimes and could see that such conditions were causing it to look like it was being stressed in the middle. Specially when it shifts a bit in the pocket and slides around.

What these controlled tests tell us is that:

1. It's extremely easy to bend the 6 Plus with your hands; and
2. The new iPhones perform horribly on the CR test compared to the old iPhone 5 and Note 3.
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explain this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8E9xlGbZaA

oh okay the guy is being paid by Apple...

or maybe he's not fat enough.

wait.....he strengthen his iphone 6 plus.

I know....the video is fake...
 
saab9573 said:
that's not the point.

common sense tells you not to put a 900 dollar electronic device which is made of glass and aluminum in your back pocket and sit on it...

sorry but that's users fault.

cant see how Apple and their design can take the blame.

people are aware these devices are 6,9 and 7,1 mm thin....right?

Apple makes a big deal of it's thinness

if you want the device to be rugged get an Otterbox defender case....that's why that company exists...

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WTF???

by bending your legs you were applying a 70 pound force onto the phone??

are you Hulk??

get real man.

your argument is weak.....almost non-existent.

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explain this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8E9xlGbZaA

oh okay the guy is being paid by Apple...

or maybe he's not fat enough.

wait.....he strengthen his iphone 6 plus.

I know....the video is fake...
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Wake up.

And if you're seriously advocating that it's ok for a company like Apple to make a mobile phone after a million generations that is fragile and to use a case to protect something that is fragile you're insane. This is a failure of product design.

Actually, Apple's smartphones should be effectively waterproof and incredibly durable by now. These are features that this category of consumer product demands as smartphones travel everywhere with people in call kinds of conditions.
 
saab9573 said:
that's not the point.

common sense tells you not to put a 900 dollar electronic device which is made of glass and aluminum in your back pocket and sit on it...

sorry but that's users fault.

cant see how Apple and their design can take the blame.

people are aware these devices are 6,9 and 7,1 mm thin....right?

Apple makes a big deal of it's thinness

if you want the device to be rugged get an Otterbox defender case....that's why that company exists...

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WTF???

by bending your legs you were applying a 70 pound force onto the phone??

are you Hulk??

get real man.

your argument is weak.....almost non-existent.
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Common sense? You've given up on physics now :D

Common sense would be that when making products that have been commonly kept in pockets for over a decade that they should be able withstand the pressures involved.
 
This saab guy is a funny as the guy in the other thread who genuinely suggested that people change the type of clothing they wear to 'adapt to Apple products'. :D
 
TJ82 said:
Common sense? You've given up on physics now :D

Common sense would be that when making products that have been commonly kept in pockets for over a decade that they should be able withstand the pressures involved.
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common sense goes in hand with physics...

a car is designed to try and withstand a crash situation but you still don't go and jump up and down on the hood do you?

nobody makes cell phones for people to place them in back pockets and sit on them

get a life!!
 
booksbooks said:
What is 70 pounds of force in the real world? How hard is it to apply 70 pounds of force naturally against an object? Is it easy to do?

Most people I am certain do not in any fashion know the answer to this.

You people just fling these terms around and don't understand what they mean in reality.
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Mechanic here. Tighten bolts and nuts to 70+ lb all the time.

To put 70b into context that is the same amount of force that a lug nut exerts on your wheel.
 
saab9573 said:
common sense goes in hand with physics...

a car is designed to try and withstand a crash situation but you still don't go and jump up and down on the hood do you?

nobody makes cell phones for people to place them in back pockets and sit on them

get a life!!
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Physics is physics.

Common sense may or may not go 'hand in hand' with physics.

Your version of common sense, clearly doesn't, it's called apologism.
 
man in lab makes complicated machinery to test iphone durabilty. Concludes iPhone is unbendable

5 minutes later a monkey (man) picks up an iPhone. 2 minutes later iPhone is bent.

man back at machinery lab sets about building even more complicated machinery to disprove monkey

simpler is always better but we don't use our hands to bend an iPhone we build expensive gas guzzling machines to do it that have less tactile feedback and make less sense but they look good and impress the girls and give jobs.

there is no hope for the human race :p:mad::D
 
saab9573 said:
isnt it time for a coffee break there at the Samsung office?
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A Samsung office with 6 iPhones, one 27inch iMac, 2 Macbook Pros and countless iPods?

But that's where you're at mentally. You can't see that a rational man can be an Apple fan, and be critical of Apple at the same time.

All companies and products have pros and cons.

Deal with it.
 
saab9573 said:
that's not the point.

common sense tells you not to put a 900 dollar electronic device which is made of glass and aluminum in your back pocket and sit on it...

sorry but that's users fault.

cant see how Apple and their design can take the blame.

people are aware these devices are 6,9 and 7,1 mm thin....right?

Apple makes a big deal of it's thinness

if you want the device to be rugged get an Otterbox defender case....that's why that company exists...

----------



WTF???

by bending your legs you were applying a 70 pound force onto the phone??

are you Hulk??

get real man.

your argument is weak.....almost non-existent.

----------



explain this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8E9xlGbZaA

oh okay the guy is being paid by Apple...

or maybe he's not fat enough.

wait.....he strengthen his iphone 6 plus.

I know....the video is fake...
Click to expand...

You're not getting it. The point is that there are MULTIPLE VARIABLES THAT MAY CAUSE THE PHONE TO BEND. My example was one of many.

As the person rightfully said in the video you posted:

This is a completely unscientific test. There's so many variables that could affect whether you manage to bend a phone like this...

And here's where you all fall off. We're having a discussion about this. You treat this as so absolute such that you have an inability to be critical of a company (Apple) without resigning yourself to being objective about such criticism. That if someone is having a critical discussion about Apple defence mode happens. You can't discuss these things without believing that the people discussing them are attacking Apple just to attack them or that discussions about these things mean that we've already reached a conclusion. WE DON'T FOR CERTAIN WHETHER THIS IS A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM AND WHETHER THE NEW PHONES HAVE A DESIGN FLAW.

But we have indications. So grow up already.
 
TJ82 said:
He uses his body to tighten those nuts.

You're so lost that it's descended into comedy :D
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The fact that I have to use my entire body (position legs so they don't budge, use back in combination with arms, along with using a breaker bar, etc) to exert 70lb of force kinda proves that you won't be able to bend an iPhone 6 under regular usage.
 
ToroidalZeus said:
The fact that I have to use my entire body (position legs so they don't budge, use back in combination with arms, along with using a breaker bar, etc) to exert 70lb of force kinda proves that you won't be able to bend an iPhone 6 under regular usage.
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Or you could just sit on the lever.
 
TJ82 said:
Or you could just sit on the lever.
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Like I said, breaker bar; If I sat on a lever the size of an iPhone 6 Plus (6.2") it wouldn't budge.

Speaking of which, you bring up a good point about leverage. In the video bendgate guy isn't applying 70b of force directly onto the iPhone. He is bending it from both sides which increases his leverage substantially and as a result would drop the the force required by a proportional amount.
 
ToroidalZeus said:
Like I said, breaker bar; If I sat on a lever the size of an iPhone 6 Plus (6.2") it wouldn't budge.
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iPhones aren't physically breaker bars, they're iPhones.

If you sat on one, it would bend.

ToroidalZeus said:
Speaking of which, you bring up a good point about leverage. In the video bendgate guy isn't applying 70b of force directly onto the iPhone. He is bending it from both sides which increases his leverage substantially and as a result would drop the the force required by a proportional amount.
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A point I was making days ago.

Which doesn't change the fact that people's weights plus other forces inc. speed, momentum etc compensate for this.
 
Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world - Archimedes
 
TJ82 said:
iPhones aren't physically breaker bars, they're iPhones.

If you sat on one, it would bend.
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...ya you really don't know what you are taking about do you?

and sitting on an iPhone is basically abusing the device.
 
ToroidalZeus said:
...ya you really don't know what you are taking about do you?

and sitting on an iPhone is basically abusing the device.
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Ah, you've descended into saab territory. Telling people they don't know what they're talking about when you try to fob off some rubbish about an iPhone behaving as a solid steel alloy breaker bar. :D

Sitting on phones is normal, has been normal for over a decade.

Sitting on an iPhone is abuse, because it's not strong enough to withstand the sort of pressures other phones have endured since mobile phones became popular.
 
booksbooks said:
The CR test was:

  • Just 70 pounds for the iPhone 6 to deform
  • 90 pounds for the 6 Plus to deform
  • 150 pounds for the Note 3 to deform

You are clearly not a scientist or physicist. Your posts are just off the cuff. These are answers you did not know when you posted:

1. How much of a person's weight is funnelled to their rear when sitting evenly?
2. What are real life examples of pounds of pressure that people can naturally place against things?

Further, you are in error. It is NOT THE CASE that the iPhones were not permanently bent after 70 and 90 pounds of pressure. Watch the video again.
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You're right. I got the numbers wrong. Beyond that you're still wrong. It doesn't matter whether I'm a scientist or a physicist or not. That's an appeal to authority fallacy. My point still stands.

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ToroidalZeus said:
...ya you really don't know what you are taking about do you?

and sitting on an iPhone is basically abusing the device.
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It can be interpreted that way. It's certainly not a GOOD idea, but I'd say it doesn't fall too far outside of normal use parameters. People jam 'em in their back pockets. People sit down with them still in their back pockets whether intentionally or not. So it is kind of a grey area. Not very grey but you get what I'm saying. There's at least some room for interpretation.
 
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