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iPhone XR The case for the Xr LCD being superior to OLED

Mildredop said:
My phone is less than a year old and I have burn in on my OLED screen. I use my phone as a sat nav for long periods on full brightness, so it's quite an extreme (but I doubt uncommon) case.

I can clearly see the three round icons (magnifying glass, voice on/off etc) from Google Maps burnt into my screen, as well as the ETA and the top and bottom bars.
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Can you post some pics? I’d like to see what burn in on an X looks like as nobody has posted anything about burn in that I remember
 
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I agree, LCD is a much better and more reliable technology than OLED. After owing an X, and now an XS Max, I miss owning an LCD phone. The PPI is not important at all to me either. I have a Nintendo Switch which has the best display on a portable that I currently own, and that has a PPI of 237 at 6.2 inches. 326 PPI at 6.1 inches is more than enough.
 
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the xs max has the superior display imo. I tested it with same photo side by side with my 8 plus and theres a huge difference. Even airdropping the photo over (the exact same one) the xs max shows photos more vibrant and true to life. Taken photo with xs max and airdropped to my 8+ that is
 
Last year I concluded that the display on my iPhone 7 was better than the one on the X I owned and returned and I’m pretty sure (given user reports of colour shifting on the XSs) that I’ll conclude that the XR has the best display of the three new phones this year too. That doesn’t mean I’ll end up thinking the XR is best overall as there are quite a few other differentiating factors that are important to me as well.

Unfortunately Apple hasn’t made the phone I’d really like - XS size, LCD display, Display Zoom, dual rear cameras, 3D Touch. I guess more RAM on the XSs is better too as is the better battery life of the XR, but all the phones are probably fine in those respects. I’m not sure about bezel size, but think I prefer the larger bezels of the XR as they balance the look of the notch (which I don’t care for) better.
 
I own 2 OLED tv's, and by far they are vastly superior to LCD in every way. Infinite contrast ratio vs a native contrast ratio of 4000 to 5000:1 with the best FALD LCD tv's. Infinite contrast because of perfect blacks, makes color pop off the screen, and gives a greater sense of 3D. Native contrast ratio with LCD on phones are lucky to produce a native contrast ratio of 1000:1. LCD just looks washed out compared to OLED. It's an old outdated technology. Micro LED, OLED and CLEDIS are the future, with LCD be relegated to the cheap displays.
 
I have 8+. Wife has X. Her screen...text..video.. clarity.. is better. I want the Xr to be awesome but that screen will not best the XS/XSM.
 
pdxmatts said:
Again, bigger screen than the 8 with the same ppi and lower ppi than the Plus, but you're right, a lot of people will see cheaper new iPhone and won't even consider looking at the specs
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So if you place two iPhone 8's next to each other, the screens all of the sudden will become less sharp?
 
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Screen of Xr looks fantastic.


I can’t wait to get rid my iPhone X with its ridiculous battery life. Worst iPhone ever in terms of battery. Mostly I survive from morning to noon....and if I use my air pods I only get through half the day.
 
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err404 said:
This has more to do with font points. The screen is rastered at the full resolution. Keep in mind that the Plus phones also raster at 3x internally and have had excellent battery life.
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Not only font points, also app artwork:

Supply high-resolution images for all artwork in your app, for all devices your app supports. Depending on the device, you accomplish this by multiplying the number of pixels in each image by a specific scale factor. A standard resolution image has a scale factor of 1.0 and is referred to as an @1x image. High resolution images have a scale factor of 2.0 or 3.0 and are referred to as @2x and @3x images. Suppose you have a standard resolution @1x image that’s 100px × 100px, for example. The @2x version of this image would be 200px × 200px. The @3x version would be 300px × 300px.
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The XR is a 2x device like the 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, there’s no way around it.
So not only the screen ppi density is inferior, but also an inferior version of app artwork is loaded within apps.

It’s a borderless evolution of the 8 (minus 3d touch). Which may not be a bad thing for someone.
 
giggles said:
Not only font points, also app artwork:



The XR is a 2x device like the 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, there’s no way around it.
So not only the screen ppi density is inferior, but also an inferior version of app artwork is loaded within apps.

It’s a borderless evolution of the 8 (minus 3d touch). Which may not be a bad thing for someone.
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This is why you are asked to supply high res artwork at x2 and x3 the base resolution. So the final raster will match the native pixels 1 to 1. Except of course for the Plus screen which use super sampled downscale that can introduce a slightly less optimal result.
This whole process is for API compatibility so developers don’t need to re-code an entire UI when the PPI changes. To put it simply, if you nudge an element by 10 points to the right, it will move with a relative amount regardless of PPI (20 pixels for x2 or 30 pixels for x3).
It is not a technical limitation. Which is why this only applies to UI kit elements. Games for example don’t have this translation.
Don’t confuse this positioning compatibility translation as rendering scaled objects.
 
MEJHarrison said:
Thanks for clarifying that. I have no burn in. But I now understand why you could. Genuinely curious, not being a smart ass here. If you got another iPhone with OLED, would you change your habits or accept the inevitable? It almost sounds like you knew what was likely to happen and did it anyway, although I might have read that wrong.
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You're completely correct- I knew that my habits could lead to burn-in, so I'm not blaming Apple or anyone else but myself. As confident as I am that I won't get another OLED phone, MicroLED screens don't seem anywhere near ready to go into production so I know that I may be forced to get an OLED phone at some point. If that happens, I'll probably keep auto-brightness off but lower my brightness to a more reasonable level.
 
kre62 said:
-First: No PWM flickering. Check this thread if you've never heard of it. https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/7uv6m3/iphone_x_uses_pulse_width_modulation_which_is_a/
This flickering was definitely annoying to me, and causes eye strain

-Next: Better viewing angles. LCDs have way better viewing angles with no blue shift like the X suffers from

-No chance of burn in. OLEDs can suffer from burn in.

-Generally cooler color temps. Some, like me, love that

-Longer lifespan. OLEDs have shorter usable life

-No PenTile. The XR has ALL the sub pixels

The only advantage to OLED i've seen is slightly better black levels. Who cares.
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I’ll give you the PWM as some are sensitive to that. The others are just trying to justify it. LCD does not need to have cooler color temperature, in fact I would hope that the screen is well calibrated instead. Burn-in and OLED lifespan are non-issues at this point. You have to be a real stickler to notice pentile on a sufficiently high res display, I certainly couldn’t tell a difference when I compared a same size and res 5.5" 1080p OLED vs LCD.

LCD is fine, OLED is fine but XR could have a higher res for its price point.
 
Supermallet said:
In the same way that some people can see PWM while others can’t, some can differentiate between 326 and 401+ ppi and others can’t. I can tell the difference and as soon as I saw the ppi of the Xr, I knew I wouldn’t be able to use it in the long term.
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I didnt say you couldnt tell the difference, I'm saying 326 is good enough, even for you. You are blowing the amount of enjoyment you get from a few extra pixels out of proportion. Its like 99.9% as good of an experience, at the end of the day. It's a phone screen.
 
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kre62 said:
In what way exactly? If you put hype aside and view it objectively, what actual advantages, besides 5% blacker blacks, does it have? The tradeoffs are huge with no payoff.
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Here are a few things:
1. LCD has light bleed. Always has and always will. It's terrible when viewing in a dark environment especially.
2. You will always have larger bezels with LCD. A true edge to edge display will never happen with LCD.
3. Uniformity of picture is better on OLED.
4. There is no such thing as 5% blacker blacks on OLED vs LCD. On OLED the pixel is off. It's completely black. An LCD panel always has light behind it. See point 1 and 3 above.
5. OLED vs IPS LCD (which is what Apple uses) are very, very close in picture quality, but overall, the OLED is the better display, which is why Apple is using it for all their flagship devices.

If it makes you feel better to argue that the XR is a better phone than the X, XS or XS Max to justify your future purchase, that is fine. It's your money. You don't need to justify to anyone or try to convince other people that it's the better phone... FOR YOU.
 
pdxmatts said:
Looks good on a 4.7" screen, but the XR is 6.1" If you have a 7/8+ it's a step backwards.
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Here you said that the resolution looks good on a smaller screen. So why would it look bad on a larger screen if ppi stays the same? You need to read up on what ppi means.
Yes it will look worse when coming from the higher res 7+/8+, but if you think it looks good on a smaller screen it will look good on a larger screen. There's no difference in ppi.
 
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LCD is not even close to OLED. No matter how much you try to justify it. QLED is superior than LCD as well. Micro LED will be better than all of them. Stop kidding yourself.
 
Lloydbm41 said:
Here are a few things:
1. LCD has light bleed. Always has and always will. It's terrible when viewing in a dark environment especially.
2. You will always have larger bezels with LCD. A true edge to edge display will never happen with LCD.
3. Uniformity of picture is better on OLED.
4. There is no such thing as 5% blacker blacks on OLED vs LCD. On OLED the pixel is off. It's completely black. An LCD panel always has light behind it. See point 1 and 3 above.
5. OLED vs IPS LCD (which is what Apple uses) are very, very close in picture quality, but overall, the OLED is the better display, which is why Apple is using it for all their flagship devices.

If it makes you feel better to argue that the XR is a better phone than the X, XS or XS Max to justify your future purchase, that is fine. It's your money. You don't need to justify to anyone or try to convince other people that it's the better phone... FOR YOU.
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If OLED is such a great technology then why did it take Apple all these years to start using it? Same screens Samsung been using for years now.

I didn't like them in Samsung and I don't like them in Apple. Hate the hue change when you look at them slightly off angle. But hey. Apple says its supposed to do that so I guess it's all good, right?

Wish theyd let you choose between oled and led for the XS Max. Would even pay the same price for LED.
 
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matthijst said:
If OLED is such a great technology then why did it take Apple all these years to start using it?
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If USB C is such a great technology (and is the future according to Apple) then a why did it take Apple all these years to start using it on the iph...oh wait, they're still not suing it, my bad.
matthijst said:
Would even pay the same price for LED.
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OH wonderful, hopefully Apple figures out by next year that they can sell a $2000 phone, drop the ppi to like a 100 and people will be praising it like the sun on the forums.
 
It's almost a joke to compare an screen with the ppi of the Iphone 4 with a brand new OLED like the one in IPhone X and Iphone XS. That screen is years behind the best available today.
People will say ppi don't matter, but that gives you the sharp looking and the contrast, and when you talk about contrast you are comparing white to a deep gray(lcd) vs white to a led turned off=real black(oled)
Every screen expert reviewer says that Oled screen from Samsung always been better than Lcd in Iphones. Its a known fact. And now is happening with the Oled in Iphones.
 
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