iPhone XR The case for the Xr LCD being superior to OLED

[Supermallet]

I didnt say you couldnt tell the difference, I'm saying 326 is good enough, even for you. You are blowing the amount of enjoyment you get from a few extra pixels out of proportion. Its like 99.9% as good of an experience, at the end of the day. It's a phone screen.

That’s a condescending attitude and response. I look at my phone screen more than most of the other devices in my life combined. Given that I can tell the difference between 326 ppi and higher ppi screens, it is important to me that I have a display that is higher in resolution. I am glad for you that you don’t want or need ppi higher than 326, but evangelizing to us about how 326 is good enough for everyone is obnoxious.

Get the Xr. Enjoy it. But learn to recognize that not everyone will and it shouldn’t be important to you that anyone else enjoys it but you. I don’t care what anyone thinks about the Xs Max except for me, and I happen to love it.

 

[Hernan4651]

That argument that "i couldn't see the individual pixels so it's good" it's wrong. The pixel density affects the principal properties of a good screen.
But if you could live with an screen with the ppi of 6 years ago, that's ok. Enjoy it .
In performance it would be the fastest. But that screen it's a deal breaker

 

[Lyn2012]

If OLED is such a great technology then why did it take Apple all these years to start using it? Same screens Samsung been using for years now.

I didn't like them in Samsung and I don't like them in Apple. Hate the hue change when you look at them slightly off angle. But hey. Apple says its supposed to do that so I guess it's all good, right?

Wish theyd let you choose between oled and led for the XS Max. Would even pay the same price for LED.

I agree, I’d love the Xs Max with an LCD screen. The tint change when you change viewing angle is starting to really annoy me.

 

[yanksfan114]

So far, the sentiment I've seen is that OLED is king and LCD is older, less cool tech. However, I think there is a case to be made that the LCD screen in the Xr is actually superior to any other X phone. Heres why:

-First: No PWM flickering. Check this thread if you've never heard of it. https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/7uv6m3/iphone_x_uses_pulse_width_modulation_which_is_a/
This flickering was definitely annoying to me, and causes eye strain

-Next: Better viewing angles. LCDs have way better viewing angles with no blue shift like the X suffers from

-No chance of burn in. OLEDs can suffer from burn in.

-Generally cooler color temps. Some, like me, love that

-Longer lifespan. OLEDs have shorter usable life

-No PenTile. The XR has ALL the sub pixels

The only advantage to OLED i've seen is slightly better black levels. Who cares.

To me, the Xr is definitely the phone to get, and I think once people see it and experience the uniformity, great viewing angles, and killer battery life, it'll be the obvious choice.

"Generally cooler color temps, better viewing angles, no PenTile, all great advantages to LCD!"

"OLED has better blacks, who cares?"

Do you see how absurd this comparison is? You just listed a ton of things average consumers don't really think about to try and say LCD is better with and then just flipped back to saying no one cares about contrasting OLED blacks.

 

[jdoyle]

I am really puzzled at what to upgrade to from my 6S Plus. I cannot wait to check out the XR because having played with the XS and XS Max for just a few minutes at a time in an Apple Store I could already feel my eyes straining. There's a barely perceptible flicker going on for me anyway. I tested my eyes out and switched between XS Max and iPhone 8 Plus a few times. Each time I switched over to use the 8 Plus with True Tone enabled I could feel my eyes relax. The poor viewing angle is also annoying to me. I will see if the 326ppi of the XR will be an issue and then make a decision.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Meaning viewing angle. Turn the phone left to right and you'll get a blue cast almost immediately off center. LCDs have better viewing angles.

LCDs do not have better viewing angles than OLED. Google this.

OLEDs do have color shifting, which my X had and it bothered me a lot. My Max has it too, but it’s less noticeable than my X.

LCD is a great tech, and Apple LCDs are great. There should be nothing wrong with the XR’s display. The OLED Max is the best phone display I’ve ever used, however.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

People will say anything to convince themselves not to buy the more expensive phones. OLED blows away LCDs.

 

[kre62]

People will say anything to convince themselves not to buy the more expensive phones. OLED blows away LCDs.

After reading the yellow screen/color shifting thread, I'm fully convinced that OLED is inferior tech to LCD.

 

[MarvinHC]

Looks good on a 4.7" screen, but the XR is 6.1" If you have a 7/8+ it's a step backwards.

Why would this be a step back? 326ppi is 326 pointe per inch, so the screen size doesn't matter in that case. Arguably I would say the XR screen should look better than the smaller 4.7" because one would most likely look at it from further away.

 

[Led-zep]

LCD panels suffer from blooming, banding and inaccurate black levels - more gray then black

OLED has superior viewing angle, perfect black therefore the entire colour volume looks better on OLED

Plus perfect response time as there are no need to refresh like you do on an LCD

see here the difference in terms of blooming

OLED is on the right

https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/LasersLG.jpg

 

[Ries]

If OLED is such a great technology then why did it take Apple all these years to start using it? Same screens Samsung been using for years now.

I didn't like them in Samsung and I don't like them in Apple. Hate the hue change when you look at them slightly off angle. But hey. Apple says its supposed to do that so I guess it's all good, right?

Wish theyd let you choose between oled and led for the XS Max. Would even pay the same price for LED.

Because OLED is expensive compared to LCD. Because it would have hurt their profit a lot.
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After reading the yellow screen/color shifting thread, I'm fully convinced that OLED is inferior tech to LCD.

It isn't.
[doublepost=1538638276][/doublepost]As long you don't display the same screen for hours non stop, you'll be fine.

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/iphone-x-oled-screen-burn-in-tests/

 

[ZEEN0j]

Some valid points here, however, 720p screen is atrocious. I'm upgrading to the XS Max... but between the Xr or X, I'd choose the latter.

Resolutions don't tell the whole story. Sure, more would be nice but it's still 326ppi as every iPhone after 4 (except plus) and that wasn't a problem before. The screen is just bigger but with an increase in resolution to keep that 326ppi. Videos will either downscale from 1080p or upscale from 720p. I'm guessing it will downscale from 1080p as 1792 x 828 is closer to 1920x1080.

OP. Yes Oled as a technology has burn in issues. But that argument becomes irrelevant if Apple has solved it with pixel shifting or whatever they are doing. I haven't heard reports of burn in on iPhone X.

XS oled screens have a higher resolution compared to XR lcd so it will still be sharper even though it's pentile. But yes, if both had the same res and one is using pentile and the other regular rgb matrix the latter will be sharper.

Some of your posts are valid, lifespan and viewing angle

Also, OLED is just a stopgap until microled is ready

 

[Ries]

Also, OLED is just a stopgap until microled is ready

Also, LCD is just a stopgap until OLED is ready.

 

[ZEEN0j]

Also, LCD is just a stopgap until OLED is ready.

I mean for Apple. Everyone jumped on oled a long time ago, Apple didn’t for many reasons. Oled is great technology but it has its drawbacks. Microled is best of both worlds.

 

[iMaxed]

Meaning viewing angle. Turn the phone left to right and you'll get a blue cast almost immediately off center. LCDs have better viewing angles.

Haha why would you do that, umm look straight at phone problem solved

 

[Zimmy68]

So far, the sentiment I've seen is that OLED is king and LCD is older, less cool tech. However, I think there is a case to be made that the LCD screen in the Xr is actually superior to any other X phone. Heres why:

Yeah... No.

If you like LCD, go for it. Don't worry about what others think of it.
No need to "make your case".

Apple went with OLED in their premium phones for a reason.

 

[DNichter]

It's a preference, of course. I prefer the colors and true blacks of OLED. I couldn't deal with the low PPI of the XR, I tend to notice it when I look back at older iPhone's. In the end, choose what works for you, and let's refrain from throwing the word "superior" out there.

 

[Nantucket]

Does anyone know which manufacturer makes the new LCD screen for the XR.

 

[puma1552]

Does anyone know which manufacturer makes the new LCD screen for the XR.

japan display.

 

[littlemidge]

So.. why didn’t they make the XR 5.5”? I feel 6.1” is a tad too big for most people?

 

[EugW]

The way I see it, there are three tiers of Apple displays, categorized in two ways and the XR display won’t be the best in either scenario.

Overall for those who have problems with PWM flicker:

Plus LCD > XR / non-Plus LCD > OLED

Overall for those who do not have problems with PWM flicker:

OLED > Plus LCD > XR / non-Plus LCD

So.. why didn’t they make the XR 5.5”? I feel 6.1” is a tad too big for most people?

I’m predicting that for next year.

The 6.1” LCD is a 414x896 point display, like the XS Max, just smaller.

The 5.5” LCD would be a 375x812 point display, like the XS, just smaller.

 

[littlemidge]

The way I see it, there are three tiers of Apple displays, categorized in two ways and the XR display won’t be the best in either scenario.

Overall for those who have problems with PWM flicker:

Plus LCD > XR / non-Plus LCD > OLED

Overall for those who do not have problems with PWM flicker:

OLED > Plus LCD > XR / non-Plus LCD


I’m predicting that for next year.

The 6.1” LCD is a 414x896 point display, like the XS Max, just smaller.

The 5.5” LCD would be a 375x812 point display, like the XS, just smaller.

I hope so. I mean, I have the Xs. And it literally is the perfect phone.

I just wish we had the same colour choices as the XR, but with a 5.5” or 5.8” screen.

I would have most probably gone for the XR had it been the same size or smaller than the Xs.

Hopefully next year ! Really liking that yellow and blue !

 

[Laszlo226]

So far, the sentiment I've seen is that OLED is king and LCD is older, less cool tech. However, I think there is a case to be made that the LCD screen in the Xr is actually superior to any other X phone. Heres why:

-First: No PWM flickering. Check this thread if you've never heard of it. https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/7uv6m3/iphone_x_uses_pulse_width_modulation_which_is_a/
This flickering was definitely annoying to me, and causes eye strain

-Next: Better viewing angles. LCDs have way better viewing angles with no blue shift like the X suffers from

-No chance of burn in. OLEDs can suffer from burn in.

-Generally cooler color temps. Some, like me, love that

-Longer lifespan. OLEDs have shorter usable life

-No PenTile. The XR has ALL the sub pixels

The only advantage to OLED i've seen is slightly better black levels. Who cares.

To me, the Xr is definitely the phone to get, and I think once people see it and experience the uniformity, great viewing angles, and killer battery life, it'll be the obvious choice.

[doublepost=1549304241][/doublepost]I had the same problem with the XS used it for 10 days and my eyes hurt a lot, plus had some minor headaches.
Switching for Xr for sure.

 

[saffet]

I had no idea about the user experience of an OLED display phone till I bought XS Max. I simply couldn't use it due to severe dizziness and eye strain problem.

 

[teknikal90]

LCD panels suffer from blooming, banding and inaccurate black levels - more gray then black

OLED has superior viewing angle, perfect black therefore the entire colour volume looks better on OLED

OLED has a color shift. Even Apple admits this. LCD does too, even IPS LCDs. But neither is 'better'. I've seen some screens that are better than others. My iPhone X shifts to pink, my wife's iPhone 8 Plus shifts to blue. I think hers is more pleasing to the eye. But neither have huge viewing angles. My iPad also has viewing angle issues.

OLED displays blacks yes, but they struggle on dark greys. Especially 5% to 10% greys. it is actually a lottery to find a panel that can display consistent dark greys all through the screen. TVs and Phones have this issue.
So if we're nitpicking uniformity, OLED doesn't win.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-x-display-uniformity-problem.2085460/

Plus perfect response time as there are no need to refresh like you do on an LCD

Theoretically, yes. But in practice, there's a reason why you haven't seen widespread adoption of OLEDs with 120hz yet. The tech isn't there. OLED is currently worse than IPS LCDs when it comes to motion blur

https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/