iPhone 5 or earlier The day apple changed the industry and has their completion still playing catch up till now, one of the best presentations till this day. (video)

[Barbareren]

You’re still showing old articles, words that are considered as swear words are absent from the iPhones dictionary, but it doesn’t really take that long for the dictionary to learn them, if censorship was still in affect these words would not be learned at all and the keyboard would never allow them to be used or learned for that matter,
You can train the keyboard to learn and use these words not just with tap typing but they will also show up when you use the swipe feature, so no iOS is not censoring “swear words” as they did in the past...

I’m not showing them here, but i just swiped thru 12 different words that are “swear words” and iOS had no problem using them and not switching to other words of a non derogatory nature. Just like “thru”, it took a little bit for the keyboard to learn to swipe that word for me...

I know, that’s why I first mentioned it in past tense. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall that Apple wouldn’t even let you send text messages with “bad words” on the first couple of iPhones. Anyway, like I wrote, I don’t feel like Apple does too much censoring these days. Maybe when it comes to apps, but that’s another topic...

 

[ericwn]

They’ve been doing it since the beginning, and they’re ducking doing it till this day.

Is It Too Ducking Much to Ask Apple to Create a Swear-Friendly Autocorrect Mode?

Call it Laissez-Swear Mode.

slate.com

Thanks much for the link. This is, in every aspect, very entertaining.

And Autocorrect often times is a silly mess in my experience.

 

[ericwn]

Was, yea...
But from Photoshop 5 on Photoshop ran so much better on Windows computers, by Photoshop 7 Apple finally started to work well with Photoshop again, but by then it was already too late and many graphic designers and photographers had already migrated to the Windows ecosystem, Waiting that long for Apple to finally catch back up was not financially feasible, so Windows because the graphic designer/photographer tool of choice.

I still have a few older Macs that are running old build of Photoshop because back in the day to be a graphic designer Mac was the preferred system/ecosystem of choice,

Adobe on top of that didn’t do much in terms of copy protection to stop piracy on those devices either. They happily let their user base grow for a while before throwing the subscription model at people when they were done with the competition.

 

[Alch3mist]

Epic!

Wasn’t expecting to watch that whole thing but loved it all over again.

 

[cableguy84]

This is like a classic movie. I can watch it over and over and it never gets old. Jobs was unique.

 

[I7guy]

This presentation signified, again, one of the best way to present a product. Steve Jobs is (was) still a master chef in product announcements. The tone, the cadence, the pace, the tease, the reveal, all are beautiful and timeless. He is in complete control of not only the presentation, but the audience as well. It is in contrast to pretty much everybody else (including Tim Cook and other Apple executives) who are too stiff and obvious that they are reading teleprompters. Craig has the enthusiasm, but he's more like an excited kid, while Jobs is just a master wizard. The rest, including Cook, sorry to say, are lethargic and robotic. Of course, the competitors are even worse.

I wouldn't comment on the products, but I always tip my hat off to Jobs in regards to presentation. Masterfully done.

Would like to see how Steve would do a presentation in today’s pandemic environment without an audience?

 

[ian87w]

Would like to see how Steve would do a presentation in today’s pandemic environment without an audience?

Would be interesting. Would he opt for pre-record the keynotes and stream it (like what Apple is doing now), or would he insist on an audience, even if it's a small one, and do the keynote live.

 

[aRByJr]

Would be interesting. Would he opt for pre-record the keynotes and stream it (like what Apple is doing now), or would he insist on an audience, even if it's a small one, and do the keynote live.

He would pack the audience with as many people as allowed, but they would have to be the biggest zealots available that would clap an cheer like crazy when he was to show off the new magsafe charger, because there has never been anything like it ever before, and be extremely giddy about the lack of charger and headphones in the box, all for the same price as when those items were included, but then too with Jony Ive’s no longer there he would probably bypass praising the styling, seeing in Jobs eyes there was never anyone better the Ives...

 

[DeepIn2U]

I loved it when he kept saying an iPod, a phone and an internet communicator and people thought he was talking about 3 separate devices.

This was playing with the audience, both live and watching across the globe.

I remember watching this during my late and scheduled work lunch and was like BOOM! The chills on my back. For me the presentation was perfection.

I wasn't a believer in the product for real world and my use cases just yet. I needed:
MMS, GPRS/EDGE tethering, Apps ... I was already using BlackBerry, and mostly S60 at that time and new what apps could bring. Heck even SonyEricsson's phones had great java apps. I do understand Apple was feeling out everything first and that build quality and service of phone calls was critical FIRST and foremost.

iPhone 3GS I was in and out ... but mostly in. Since the 7 never looked back.

Quality,
Great purchasing experience
that ecosystem of products and services
knowing warranty is top notch.

And quite frankly ... there are just some retail reps that UNDERSTAND proper, quality, customer service!

 

[DeepIn2U]

Would like to see how Steve would do a presentation in today’s pandemic environment without an audience?

Would be interesting. Would he opt for pre-record the keynotes and stream it (like what Apple is doing now), or would he insist on an audience, even if it's a small one, and do the keynote live.

I'm not sure if the temperatures are perfect now at Apple Campus to hold an audience that is socially distanced some 6-10ft apart on lawn chairs inside the circle for a live presentation. Apple Masks and all.

 

[DeepIn2U]

This presentation signified, again, one of the best way to present a product. Steve Jobs is (was) still a master chef in product announcements. The tone, the cadence, the pace, the tease, the reveal, all are beautiful and timeless. He is in complete control of not only the presentation, but the audience as well. It is in contrast to pretty much everybody else (including Tim Cook and other Apple executives) who are too stiff and obvious that they are reading teleprompters. Craig has the enthusiasm, but he's more like an excited kid, while Jobs is just a master wizard. The rest, including Cook, sorry to say, are lethargic and robotic. Of course, the competitors are even worse.

I wouldn't comment on the products, but I always tip my hat off to Jobs in regards to presentation. Masterfully done.

Some staff does have life in them.

Schiller ... come on man Phil did read a teleprompter (jobs did as well) but over teh decades you can see his enthusiasm, appreciation, and love for the company and those within it along with products: recall the Steve and Phil shows of PowerMac or PowerBooks?!

Ternus ... new head of hardware. He's carved his own style of presentation ... the sideways walk, pause & deliver a hit, Walk more and pause, pivot and return.

The problem with some executive or other high up staff showing some personality is the viewers start their typical hate - Bozoma Saint John !! She was alive on stage ... dared to be different cause she IS different (dressing, style, speech pattern, culture). She loved music, probably more than anyone at Apple at that time. She even shared a tasteful classic track to get people in the crowd exited with.

BUT You did see Eddie Cue's reaction to that though and these forums ... some comments should've been looked into heavily.

But that's what happens. We all expect a certain presentation style, never allowing to deviate and those that don't rise up and quickly.

 

[Barbareren]

Heck even SonyEricsson's phones had great java apps.

Not only that, they had many phones running Symbian OS (UIQ) with full third party app support (C++), touch screen, and a camera. Years before the iPhone.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Not only that, they had many phones running Symbian OS (UIQ) with full third party app support (C++), touch screen, and a camera. Years before the iPhone.

Indeed. SonyEricsson & Motorola had several UIQ smartphones - many never made it to retail in N.America unfortunately.

Moreover C++ and the extensions needed for S60 made it VERY difficult to code for from what I've read.

 

[Barbareren]

Moreover C++ and the extensions needed for S60 made it VERY difficult to code for from what I've read.

Depends who you ask... Personally, I never liked S60, but it had the most apps by far. I preferred Series 80 and UIQ. Did some tinkering on Series 80 - didn’t seem that complicated. I mostly beta (alpha) tested and translated software for the platform, though, but also a little bit of reverse engineering 🤫

 

[DeepIn2U]

Depends who you ask... Personally, I never liked S60, but it had the most apps by far. I preferred Series 80 and UIQ. Did some tinkering on Series 80 - didn’t seem that complicated. I mostly beta (alpha) tested and translated software for the platform, though, but also a little bit of reverse engineering 🤫

nice.
Wondering if you could reach out to Inifinte Dreams Inc.
There is a game they created for S60 years ago (some 4 player car game), that I’d love to reverse engineer for iOS and iPadOS.

 

[Barbareren]

nice.
Wondering if you could reach out to Inifinte Dreams Inc.
There is a game they created for S60 years ago (some 4 player car game), that I’d love to reverse engineer for iOS and iPadOS.

Sorry man, I only did it in c++ years ago... I never experimented with iOS/iPadOS. I mean you can use C++ with Apple devices too, but afaik Swift is the preferred one. Also, I was only into this stuff in my 20s, and now I’ve forgotten a lot of it. I’d imagine that going from Symbian S60 to Swift requires quite a bit of work, but you could always just ask the devs of the game if they’d consider making a version for Apple...

 

[PeterG727]

I love my iphones as much as any iphone user would, but I have also tried other phones, and was pleasantly surprised with their performance and cameras. The gap is much smaller now or non-existent compared to how it was years ago. Android has come a long way.

 

[LFC2020]

I love my iphones as much as any iphone user would, but I have also tried other phones, and was pleasantly surprised with their performance and cameras. The gap is much smaller now or non-existent compared to how it was years ago. Android has come a long way.

Android is still the same fragmented garbage it was back in the days, Samsung phones still suffer from heat issues, lag, camera lag and shutter lag, that is happening on their flagship phones, their mid range phones are even more garbage.

Guess they haven’t realized that it doesn’t matter how much ram they use they will never have a software and hardware experience that matches iOS.

Don’t get me started on google pixel, they don’t know if they want to be at the mid range or flagship end of the market, crap hardware, the money they charge for their phones in some countries is laughable especially when they’re using outdated processors and trash hardware.

 

[Barbareren]

The gap is much smaller now or non-existent compared to how it was years ago. Android has come a long way.

Personally, I feel that it’s the other way around - iOS has improved a lot. Android hasn’t changed that much, imo. I still find it messy and laggy, but it has always been more open than iOS. However, now I find the iPhone to be open enough (more customisations, more settings/options, more freedom etc. than before) for my use. And both the hardware and the OS/UI is superior on Apple devices now, imo.

 

[LFC2020]

Personally, I feel that it’s the other way around - iOS has improved a lot. Android hasn’t changed that much, imo. I still find it messy and laggy, but it has always been more open than iOS. However, now I find the iPhone to be open enough (more customisations, more settings/options, more freedom etc. than before) for my use. And both the hardware and the OS/UI is superior on Apple devices now, imo.

Hit the nail on the head 👌 meanwhile in Australia, this is just the tip of the ice berg, could show you a whole lot more, nothing has changed, still the same laggy, inconsistent garbage as day one.

 

[secretk]

Personally, I feel that it’s the other way around - iOS has improved a lot. Android hasn’t changed that much, imo. I still find it messy and laggy, but it has always been more open than iOS. However, now I find the iPhone to be open enough (more customisations, more settings/options, more freedom etc. than before) for my use. And both the hardware and the OS/UI is superior on Apple devices now, imo.

Interestingly I am in the middle but I also have different experience when it comes to Android as my Android phones were mostly Sony. Sony does tweak the OS and it is not 100 % stock Android, but it is not fragmented at all. They optimize RAM like no one else (3 years old phone with 4 GB RAM has no issues with reloading apps/tabs) and have really good battery life. Like really smooth experience. The audio quality during calls is also awesome (the best one I have experienced). They also are stable - they might be slower in providing updates, but there are no bugs. However their cameras suck. I am not sure if it is because they do not want to affect their cameras market or because this is what they can do but man computational photography is not their thing.

This is why now that I was about to change my phone and my eyes could no longer work with small phones I decided to buy my first iPhone. To be honest the price of the flagship Samsung and iPhone is the same and I just do not like Samsung (their Android customization IMO is not very performant and can be quite laggy after 6 months of use - at least this is my observation).

I do believe that Android improved a lot the first few years, but to be honest after 8 I was pretty happy with it. There is nothing that important/urgent that I want Android to offer when it comes to phones as I think that it has already what most people need.

I do however find iOS fragmented and sometimes a mess. First of all the Settings are mess. I see no logic to have settings related to displays in Wallpaper, Display and Brightness and Accessibility. Having all of the apps and having to go there to set them up is also a mess for me as once I have more than 40 apps, it gets really crowded. It does not help that some apps have settings accessible from the app, others from the Settings menu. The Search there is not always accurate and quite often I cannot find what I need in terms of settings. Settings really are way too complicated in iOS. Maybe the idea is that people would not change them, but I do need to change them and I do not enjoy the user experience.

And do not get me started on the gestures - so not intuitive or user friendly. Being able to not trigger Control Center when needing Notifications and vice versa is like huge achievement. Being able to not trigger recent apps view instead of going home also seems to be huge achievement. I needed a crash course on how to work with a device without home button to use it. It really is not intuitive.

I can safely say that I enjoy the iPhone in terms of hardware but iOS is not an OS I enjoy a lot - both in terms of UX and bugs. I find the RAM usage is awful (apps and tabs reloads is not a good UX for me), working with files is awful as well. And sometimes the most basic things crash (like iMessage getting deactivated on its own every 2-3 weeks, Mail app not working properly, mobile data connectivity issues). It is like basic functions of a smartphone that get broken. I really would like Apple to extend their release cycle to an year and half and provide more stable software.

 

[LFC2020]

I can safely say that I enjoy the iPhone in terms of hardware but iOS is not an OS I enjoy a lot - both in terms of UX and bugs. I find the RAM usage is awful (apps and tabs reloads is not a good UX for me), working with files is awful as well. And sometimes the most basic things crash (like iMessage getting deactivated on its own every 2-3 weeks, Mail app not working properly, mobile data connectivity issues). It is like basic functions of a smartphone that get broken. I really would like Apple to extend their release cycle to an year and half and provide more stable software.

Your iMessage problem could be a carrier issue, never had a issue with iMessage deactivating on its own, never had ram issues on my 12 pro max, I ran every single iOS 14 public beta on my xs max which had 4gb ram, never ran into any issues.

Can‘t comment on mail don’t use it that often, maybe try another email app.

iOS 14 has been running fine for me. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe iPhone isn’t for you.

 

[secretk]

Your iMessage problem could be a carrier issue, never had a issue with iMessage deactivating on its own, never had ram issues on my 12 pro max, I ran every single iOS 14 public beta on my xs max which had 4gb ram, never ran into any issues.

I looked in Internet - it is a problem and it happens with iOS 14. Now this does not mean that the carrier is not involved, but this happens on an iPhone 8 (company iPhone) that I have for 2 years already. It did not happen on iOS 12 or iOS 13. It happens with iOS 14 so for me it is an iOS bug related to the carrier. It is still unacceptable and it shows how stable iOS is.

My 2018 iPad Pro with 4 GB RAM does reload tabs and apps enough. For now we have no issues with 6 GB RAM but soon enough we will have them. RAM usage is bottleneck on iOS. It is obviously not scalable enough and it is the culprit with every new iOS version the last 3 years I have had some Apple device.

Can‘t comment on mail don’t use it that often, maybe try another email app.

Problem is I could not back then as this was company iPhone and the certificates then were installed to be used with the Mail stock app. iOS 13 just screwed up the mail app and it took them iOS 14 to fix all of the major bugs they had introduced. Still mail app is a basic part of a smartphone. If it does not work then for me something is completely wrong.

iOS 14 has been running fine for me. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe iPhone isn’t for you.

iOS 14 is more stable than iOS 13 I will give you that but it is still buggy. I might have bought now my personal iPhone but I have an iPad since 2018 and I have observed iOS from 11 till 14. I have issues with every version. Every major iOS version introduces bugs. iOS 12 was most probably the most stable one but I guess it was thanks to less features.

For me it is like that - I needed a camera and iPhone can give me that so I bought it. However I never saw the fascination with iOS because it is nothing unique or that awesome.

 

[LFC2020]

For me it is like that - I needed a camera and iPhone can give me that so I bought it. However I never saw the fascination with iOS because it is nothing unique or that awesome.

Used a couple of android phones in the past, wanted to pull my hair out after a day, they have so much un needed settings and gimmicks, apps look and run better on iOS, also a natural smoothness/scrolling effect that you don’t get with android, when I scroll on a android phone it feels like a rubber band effect, been using iOS for 11 years now, never had any major problems.

Think iOS isn’t for you.

 

[secretk]

Used a couple of android phones in the past, wanted to pull my hair out after a day, they have so much un needed settings and gimmicks, apps look and run better on iOS, also a natural smoothness/scrolling effect that you don’t get with android, when I scroll on a android phone it feels like a rubber band effect, been using iOS for 11 years now, never had any major problems.

Think iOS isn’t for you.

Interesting point of view about Android and it might be the case for a lot of phones. My experience is a bit specific given that Sony are a bit strict on what they put in the OS and what not so that might have changed the way I see things.

For now unfortunately I cannot get away with iPadOS because I want the pencil usage and for that IMO iPads just work better than Android tablets. At least this is my opinion.

That's the problem with iOS though. It is so fragmented that even issues and bugs are user specific. That for me is a sign of legacy architecture and design and I highly hope that they are refactoring things and work behind the scenes because as a person in IT I do see the signs of legacy code. I am not surprised that there would be people like you who have on issues and people like me who have them.