The High-Res (1920x1200) Matte LED screen thread

[rezonat0r]

Nope, sorry. Mine's so tight it creaks when I move it in any direction. Guess I have the opposite problem!

Yeah, we've had lots of humidity changes and now mine sounds like serious metal on metal action near the left hinge. It's probably easy to fix with a little WD-4

Hey rezonat0r, so this profile is the one called "Backlight +8 B" under System Preferences>Displays>Color>"Display Profile:" box? It certainly looks more contrasty than the washed out look that my MBP came with.

My bad, I guess the original filename is still in there. When I calibrate I do a few versions (A, B etc) for the same backlight setting because each run varies slightly... so I liked the B version there : )

I have the 9c79 Hi-Res Matte 17" MBP, and if there's any yellowing it's very slight (or I could just be paranoid). How do you tell anyway?

There should be some pics in the big yellowing thread but basically if you load an all white webpage like google you would probably notice it. If you're using the default color profile it will look quite a bit worse because things can be very yellowish out of the box.

As far as calibration stuff goes the Spyder3Pro is probably pretty good for the price. The 'Elite' version is almost 2x the price and I believe it only differs in that the software lets you calibrate to any weird setting you want. If you want gamma 2.2 and a 65K color temp (which is pretty much the standard) the Pro will work well. May have to trade in my Spyder2...

 

[rezonat0r]

Got a 9C7A here. Oh I did calibrate it with my Huey Pro and it brought out a lot more detail, not to mention much more natural looking color in the display. Here's my zipped ICC profile. (D6500, gamma 2.2).

Thanks! I missed it until now. Also went ahead and added it to the OP for easier finding (if that's OK).

Sounds like more people are getting the LG panel now and they are nice! It would be cool to get one on the 2nd unit coming next week. I'd be able to put it side by side with the Samsung and see what happens.

 

[skorpien]

There should be some pics in the big yellowing thread but basically if you load an all white webpage like google you would probably notice it. If you're using the default color profile it will look quite a bit worse because things can be very yellowish out of the box.

As far as calibration stuff goes the Spyder3Pro is probably pretty good for the price. The 'Elite' version is almost 2x the price and I believe it only differs in that the software lets you calibrate to any weird setting you want. If you want gamma 2.2 and a 65K color temp (which is pretty much the standard) the Pro will work well. May have to trade in my Spyder2...

Thanks rezonat0r, that definitely helped my decision. I'll go for a Pro since I'm sure I won't have much use for all the bells and whistles of the Elite.

As for my screen, I did the google test and I don't think there's much yellowing at all. I noticed the colour shifted towards yellow near the bottom, especially near the corners (had to really look for it), but it wasn't anywhere close to some of the pictures that I saw online.

 

[rezonat0r]

As for my screen, I did the google test and I don't think there's much yellowing at all.

Based on your pic I'd say that is about the best looking screen one could hope for. Congrats!

 

[Pukey]

As for my screen, I did the google test and I don't think there's much yellowing at all.

Based on your pic I'd say that is about the best looking screen one could hope for. Congrats!

Cool! That's just what my 9C79 looks like.

 

[Pukey]

Thanks! I missed it until now. Also went ahead and added it to the OP for easier finding (if that's OK).

Sounds like more people are getting the LG panel now and they are nice! It would be cool to get one on the 2nd unit coming next week. I'd be able to put it side by side with the Samsung and see what happens.

Hope you get the alternate panel then! I'd look forward to your feedback.

 

[rffs]

hello plz help


what do you think of the results ?
how should i interpret them?
good or bad :s



DDC block report generated by SwitchResX for display
Color LCD

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
-----------------------------------------------------
0 | 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 06 10 7A 9C 00 00 00 00
1 | 21 11 01 03 80 25 17 78 0A B0 15 97 58 56 8A 28
2 | 21 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
3 | 01 01 01 01 01 01 B8 3D 80 B8 70 B0 33 40 30 20
4 | 36 00 6F E6 10 00 00 18 00 00 00 01 00 06 10 30
5 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FE 00 4C
6 | 50 31 37 31 57 55 34 2D 54 4C 41 31 00 00 00 FE
7 | 00 43 6F 6C 6F 72 20 4C 43 44 0A 20 20 20 00 F5

-----------------------------------------------------
Valid DDC block: checksum passed

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........31388 (7A9C) (9C7A)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 33 of year 2007
Max H Size..........37 cm
Max V Size..........23 cm
Gamma...............2.20

DPMS Supported Features:
------------------------


Display type:
-------------
RGB color display


Input signal & sync:
--------------------
Digital

Color info:
------------
Red x = 0.592 Green x = 0.336 Blue x = 0.156 White x = 0.313
Red y = 0.347 Green y = 0.539 Blue y = 0.130 White y = 0.329

Established Timings:
--------------------

Manufacturer Reserved Timings:
------------------------------

Standard Timing Identification:
-------------------------------

Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
Descriptor #0 is Timing definition:
Mode = 1920 x 1200 @ 60Hz
Pixel Clock.............158.00 MHz Non-Interlaced

Horizontal Vertical
Active..................1920 pixels 1200 lines
Front Porch............. 48 pixels 3 lines
Sync Width.............. 32 pixels 6 lines
Back Porch.............. 104 pixels 42 lines
Blanking................ 184 pixels 51 lines
Total...................2104 pixels 1251 lines
Scan Rate............... 75.10 kHz 60.03 Hz

Image Size.............. 367 mm 230 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines

Sync: Digital separate with
* Negative vertical polarity
* Negative horizontal polarity

Descriptor #1 is Manufacturer specific data (not interpreted here)

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LP171WU4-TLA1
Descriptor #3 is ASCII data:
Color LCD

plz help

 

[rezonat0r]

plz help

You have an LG screen. As far as "good" or "bad", well, how does it look?

 

[Pukey]

Hey Skorpien and others...just a simple solid color test idea (like the Google page). Why not try the solid color desktop settings? White is in there and it will cover your whole screen including around the Dock area where web pages can't reach and a place where problems seem to occur often (the bottom of the screen). Hope this helps.

 

[rffs]

You have an LG screen. As far as "good" or "bad", well, how does it look?

thanks for your reply

well its look good i wanted to know if the results were ok like nothing wrong on those numbers cuz i cant interpret them :s


is there any other test i can run to be sure

 

[rffs]

thanks for your reply

well its look good i wanted to know if the results were ok like nothing wrong on those numbers cuz i cant interpret them :s


is there any other test i can run to be sure

actually i think im just in macanal pro parano mode lol

no yellow **** my screen is fine

 

[rezonat0r]

is there any other test i can run to be sure

Relax, if the screen looks good then be happy.

 

[zamboni52]

Hey guys,

Once you get your screens calibrated go to this site for some awesome desktop pictures in full 1920x1200 resolution: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/index.php?sort=date&aspect=widescreen&w=1920&h=1200. The HiRez screen was so worth it!

 

[bcaslis]

17" 9C7A Matte Profiles

I've profiled the MBP 17" Penryn 9C7A display using the x-rite color display2 hardware and the coloreyes pro software. Included in the zip are nine profiles:

MBP17 D50 18.icc (5000K white point, 1.8 gamma)
MBP17 D50 22.icc (5000K white point, 2.2 gamma)
MBP17 D50 L.icc (5000K white point, L* gamma)
MBP17 D65 18.icc (6500K white point, 1.8 gamma)
MBP17 D65 22.icc (6500K white point, 2.2 gamma)
MBP17 D65 L.icc (6500K white point, L* gamma)
MBP17 Native 18.icc (Native white point, 1.8 gamma)
MBP17 Native 22.icc (Native white point, 2.2 gamma)
MBP17 Native L.icc (Native white point, L* gamma)

Note L* is a gamma used by the coloreyes software that tries to retain the darker colors shown by the 1.8 gamma and the brighter colors shown by the 2.2 gamma. It works well at that but is overall less contrasty than the other gamma points.

The one I'm using is the Native 2.2 gamma. But there should be something here for everyone. Note that there really isn't one right answer since what white point you use and gamma depends on your objective and the hardware profiled.

It was too large to upload the zip here, you can find the file at this link:

http://caslis.com/macprofiles/MBP17Profiles.zip

 

[rezonat0r]

I've profiled the MBP 17" Penryn 9C7A display using the x-rite color display2 hardware and the coloreyes pro software. Included in the zip are six profiles:

Nice work! I went ahead and linked to this post from the OP. Thanks!

 

[gelatin]

I feel like this site causes people to worry more about things that are not really a problem. I'm sure the cases of bad mbps are rare. Its just that all the cases Ardmore concentrated on here

 

[super98111]

I feel like this site causes people to worry more about things that are not really a problem. I'm sure the cases of bad mbps are rare. Its just that all the cases Ardmore concentrated on here

I cannot agree you more!

 

[super98111]

I've profiled the MBP 17" Penryn 9C7A display using the x-rite color display2 hardware and the coloreyes pro software. Included in the zip are nine profiles:

MBP17 D50 18.icc (5000K white point, 1.8 gamma)
MBP17 D50 22.icc (5000K white point, 2.2 gamma)
MBP17 D50 L.icc (5000K white point, L* gamma)
MBP17 D65 18.icc (6500K white point, 1.8 gamma)
MBP17 D65 22.icc (6500K white point, 2.2 gamma)
MBP17 D65 L.icc (6500K white point, L* gamma)
MBP17 Native 18.icc (Native white point, 1.8 gamma)
MBP17 Native 22.icc (Native white point, 2.2 gamma)
MBP17 Native L.icc (Native white point, L* gamma)

Note L* is a gamma used by the coloreyes software that tries to retain the darker colors shown by the 1.8 gamma and the brighter colors shown by the 2.2 gamma. It works well at that but is overall less contrasty than the other gamma points.

The one I'm using is the Native 2.2 gamma. But there should be something here for everyone. Note that there really isn't one right answer since what white point you use and gamma depends on your objective and the hardware profiled.

It was too large to upload the zip here, you can find the file at this link:

http://caslis.com/macprofiles/MBP17Profiles.zip

I have the same panel as you have and tested all profiles you submitted. They look great. But I just feel slightly bluish in the gray pattern.

 

[bcaslis]

I have the same panel as you have and tested all profiles you submitted. They look great. But I just feel slightly bluish in the gray pattern.

Which ones? The native, D65, or D50? I think the native is very slightly bluish (very very slight), the D65 slightly red, the D50 more strongly red. The native isn't really changing the white balance so you can get more the display default. I do think it's maybe a tiny bit blue, but it's better than the slight yellow tint most new 15" displays seem to have. However, there certainly can be individual panel differences or even perpectual color differences when viewed in different lighting conditions. I did these in near dark conditions to eliminate any effect of ambient light.

I will say the new 17" display seems like the highest quality display I've ever seen on an Apple laptop. It's clearly better than the new 15" displays. Now if only the 17" wasn't so large and heavy!

 

[rezonat0r]

So my 2nd 17" MP arrived, and for better or worse it too has a Samsung screen, so I've got 2 Samsungs.

The 2nd screen actually has better uniformity than the 1st, which has a bit of a red shift in the upper right quadrant. This is the most evenly lit screen I've seen on a MBP. Only problem is... the screen is defective.

There's a buzzing sound (along with a high pitched squeal) coming from the bottom of the screen when the backlight is on at any setting. With the backlight off the sound disappears. Applecare is trying to arrange a replacement at the local Apple store (10 min away) as we speak. I would have immediately just went there without spending 90 minutes on the phone, but something in me hopes that when Apple sees replacements of replacements of replacements with defective parts, maybe they need to step up their QC.

Then again, maybe not.

 

[bobbleheadbob]

OK, I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll go ahead anyway. Just got my new MBP with the hi-res display delivered today. The system profiler shows that the display is an LCD w/ 1920 x 1200 resolution.

So my question is that even though this is referred to as a LED display, it's still an LCD? It's just LED backlit? Is this correct?

I checked the display as per this thread and it appears to be the Model # 9C7A. Everything else looks good, I'm just confused by it still showing up as an LCD in the profiler and preferences.

 

[OrangesOfCourse]

OK, I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll go ahead anyway. Just got my new MBP with the hi-res display delivered today. The system profiler shows that the display is an LCD w/ 1920 x 1200 resolution.

So my question is that even though this is referred to as a LED display, it's still an LCD? It's just LED backlit? Is this correct?

I checked the display as per this thread and it appears to be the Model # 9C7A. Everything else looks good, I'm just confused by it still showing up as an LCD in the profiler and preferences.

That is correct Bob. They are all LCD's but some are backlit with LED's and some are backlit with CCFL. You can read up some more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backlight

Enjoy

 

[rezonat0r]

So my question is that even though this is referred to as a LED display, it's still an LCD?

Yep, the LCD is inferred since most displays are LCD nowadays. I cannot wait until something better than LCD technology is mainstream though!

 

[khnlim]

Hope you get the alternate panel then! I'd look forward to your feedback.

Hi All,

I've been swamped over the past weeks + change.

I'm glad to hear that users are getting the LG panels in their MBP 17" HR. I'm sad to report that my replacement machine (week 13) was still installed with the 9C79 panel. And this panel was worse than the one Apple offered to replace. There's still yellowing, and application of Rez's profile only made the bottom 1/3 of the screen 'purple'. On top of that, I had the local service centre check it out, and the technician remarked that the panel looked a bit grainy. I personally didn't notice, being more preoccupied with the yellowing.

Oh well, now that my project deadlines have eased somewhat, I'll finally have time to 'bug' Apple again. I'll report back on the results.




Nicholas

 

[super98111]

Which ones? The native, D65, or D50? I think the native is very slightly bluish (very very slight), the D65 slightly red, the D50 more strongly red. The native isn't really changing the white balance so you can get more the display default. I do think it's maybe a tiny bit blue, but it's better than the slight yellow tint most new 15" displays seem to have. However, there certainly can be individual panel differences or even perpectual color differences when viewed in different lighting conditions. I did these in near dark conditions to eliminate any effect of ambient light.

I will say the new 17" display seems like the highest quality display I've ever seen on an Apple laptop. It's clearly better than the new 15" displays. Now if only the 17" wasn't so large and heavy!

Thanks for your reply. I checked all profiles you submitted. I compare the low gray and pure white screen. The color point is slightly shifted to blue when it is in low gray.