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Hi everyone,

This is a bit of a ramble, but I was thinking about this a lot recently and would love to hear from others if they are having a similar experience. I grew up with the internet. I was born in 1998, and I took an interest in computers at a very young age. My dad would bring home old surplus computers for me to tinker with starting at age 4. I remember being filled with wonder when I connected my computer to the internet (my guess was this was around 2005), my family didn't own a WiFi router, I just had a 100ft ethernet cable I would take across the house and plug into my Pentium 3 Dell's network jack. I remember being amazed by MSN Messenger for video calls and the funky Logitech webcams from the mid-2000's that doubled as early digital cameras. Another thing I remember being floored by was Skype and how I could use it to call landlines over VoIP (and the free minutes they gave everyone until the end of 2006). Of course, moving to a laptop around 2007 was also mind blowing to me as I could bring the computer all around the house, I remember bringing my bargain bin Acer laptop to different places and connecting to Wi-Fi hotspots in public locations.

I was a little late to the iPhone train, as I only took an interest in Apple in 2008, and since I wasn't old enough to have a phone, I saved up money to buy an iPod touch. Now all of a sudden the internet could fit in my pocket! The web could be taken with me. I didn't have social media, but I would visit all sorts of tech blogs and continue learning about technology wherever I was. The app store was in its infancy and I would just scroll through the categories looking for new apps to try out. I distinctly remember an app that would tap into any public IP camera feed and I could look at live video from anywhere in the world.

For the next decade or so, technology continued to amaze me, and I couldn't wait to see what was next. Retina Displays, the beginning of social media and the ability to chat with friends anywhere I was, FaceTime, 4G, etc, etc. It was this whole new world and I was determined to figure out how it worked. I got a degree in Electrical/Computer Engineering, and honestly, even though I know the fundamentals now, I now know how little I know and how you need to specialize to not go insane. I chose to work in semiconductors because they are the building blocks of everything else, plus the manufacturing process is probably one of the most technologically advanced invention of the current era.

These days, I don't feel impressed by most new consumer technology. We've hit a wall with a lot of the new "innovative" things coming out, at least that I would be interested in. EV's are definitely a cool new thing, but I don't want to go out and buy one because my 10 year old Mazda works great. Generative AI looked promising at the beginning (I would say that's the closest I've been to recreating that child like feeling of being amazed in the past few years), but now it seems every single company is shoving it into their product whether it makes sense or not. It's also actively ruining the internet because more and more of it is being churned out as a replacement for "real content". Dead Internet theory is beginning to seem more and more real.

Social Media has become a toxic hellscape where everyone is living in their own bubble because the all knowing "algorithm" throws up content it thinks you might like. Twitter used to be a "town square" before Musk bought it, but I had to leave because it got BAD. Now I can choose between scrolling through the most infuriating clickbait on Threads where people act like idiots to drive engagement, or trying to tune a feed on BlueSky. Other social media platforms really propagate the "look at me" attitude that older generations like to poke fun at GenZ/Alpha for (because honestly there's truth to it!). However, these massive companies have designed these sites to be addictive, and I know I get sucked into it like everyone else. I miss the days where there were random forums for any topic under the sun, but it seems like all of that has sort of collapsed into Reddit, which has a lot of the same issues as other "social media". I still find myself bouncing from app to app, missing the early days of iOS and remembering when I used to be so inspired by the different apps I would download and test. I have visited Macrumors almost daily for over 15 years, it feels like home on the internet because it hasn't changed as much as the world around it.

Obviously there is life outside of technology and the internet. I have an amazing fiancée and 2 adorable cats. I have friends and I disconnect while I am spending time with them. My family is healthy. I used the Apple Watch to begin an exercise routine that got me to lose 80lbs and keep it off for almost 8 years! I have hobbies (photography, 3D printing, electronics repair). I have an excellent job where I get to work on interesting semiconductor testing projects. I spent the better part of a year developing software to help automate a lot of manual processes at my job, so recently I have had a lot of "free" time at work, but I don't really feel inspired by anything right now. Even with all these amazing things I have in life, in my down time, I can't help but feel there is something missing that I used to have and got me to where I am now. Maybe that is just part of growing up, but I sure do miss that feeling.

Kudos if you got to the end of my word vomit, but one of the things I love about forums is you get outside perspective and community, all built around a common interest. I would love to hear from others if this sounds familiar.
 
Hi everyone,

This is a bit of a ramble, but I was thinking about this a lot recently and would love to hear from others if they are having a similar experience. I grew up with the internet. I was born in 1998, and I took an interest in computers at a very young age. My dad would bring home old surplus computers for me to tinker with starting at age 4. I remember being filled with wonder when I connected my computer to the internet (my guess was this was around 2005), my family didn't own a WiFi router, I just had a 100ft ethernet cable I would take across the house and plug into my Pentium 3 Dell's network jack. I remember being amazed by MSN Messenger for video calls and the funky Logitech webcams from the mid-2000's that doubled as early digital cameras. Another thing I remember being floored by was Skype and how I could use it to call landlines over VoIP (and the free minutes they gave everyone until the end of 2006). Of course, moving to a laptop around 2007 was also mind blowing to me as I could bring the computer all around the house, I remember bringing my bargain bin Acer laptop to different places and connecting to Wi-Fi hotspots in public locations.

I was a little late to the iPhone train, as I only took an interest in Apple in 2008, and since I wasn't old enough to have a phone, I saved up money to buy an iPod touch. Now all of a sudden the internet could fit in my pocket! The web could be taken with me. I didn't have social media, but I would visit all sorts of tech blogs and continue learning about technology wherever I was. The app store was in its infancy and I would just scroll through the categories looking for new apps to try out. I distinctly remember an app that would tap into any public IP camera feed and I could look at live video from anywhere in the world.

For the next decade or so, technology continued to amaze me, and I couldn't wait to see what was next. Retina Displays, the beginning of social media and the ability to chat with friends anywhere I was, FaceTime, 4G, etc, etc. It was this whole new world and I was determined to figure out how it worked. I got a degree in Electrical/Computer Engineering, and honestly, even though I know the fundamentals now, I now know how little I know and how you need to specialize to not go insane. I chose to work in semiconductors because they are the building blocks of everything else, plus the manufacturing process is probably one of the most technologically advanced invention of the current era.

These days, I don't feel impressed by most new consumer technology. We've hit a wall with a lot of the new "innovative" things coming out, at least that I would be interested in. EV's are definitely a cool new thing, but I don't want to go out and buy one because my 10 year old Mazda works great. Generative AI looked promising at the beginning (I would say that's the closest I've been to recreating that child like feeling of being amazed in the past few years), but now it seems every single company is shoving it into their product whether it makes sense or not. It's also actively ruining the internet because more and more of it is being churned out as a replacement for "real content". Dead Internet theory is beginning to seem more and more real.

Social Media has become a toxic hellscape where everyone is living in their own bubble because the all knowing "algorithm" throws up content it thinks you might like. Twitter used to be a "town square" before Musk bought it, but I had to leave because it got BAD. Now I can choose between scrolling through the most infuriating clickbait on Threads where people act like idiots to drive engagement, or trying to tune a feed on BlueSky. Other social media platforms really propagate the "look at me" attitude that older generations like to poke fun at GenZ/Alpha for (because honestly there's truth to it!). However, these massive companies have designed these sites to be addictive, and I know I get sucked into it like everyone else. I miss the days where there were random forums for any topic under the sun, but it seems like all of that has sort of collapsed into Reddit, which has a lot of the same issues as other "social media". I still find myself bouncing from app to app, missing the early days of iOS and remembering when I used to be so inspired by the different apps I would download and test. I have visited Macrumors almost daily for over 15 years, it feels like home on the internet because it hasn't changed as much as the world around it.

Obviously there is life outside of technology and the internet. I have an amazing fiancée and 2 adorable cats. I have friends and I disconnect while I am spending time with them. My family is healthy. I used the Apple Watch to begin an exercise routine that got me to lose 80lbs and keep it off for almost 8 years! I have hobbies (photography, 3D printing, electronics repair). I have an excellent job where I get to work on interesting semiconductor testing projects. I spent the better part of a year developing software to help automate a lot of manual processes at my job, so recently I have had a lot of "free" time at work, but I don't really feel inspired by anything right now. Even with all these amazing things I have in life, in my down time, I can't help but feel there is something missing that I used to have and got me to where I am now. Maybe that is just part of growing up, but I sure do miss that feeling.

Kudos if you got to the end of my word vomit, but one of the things I love about forums is you get outside perspective and community, all built around a common interest. I would love to hear from others if this sounds familiar.

Is life not a thousand times too short for us to bore ourselves?
Friedrich Nietzsche

There are no uninteresting things, only uninterested people.
G.K. Chesterton

You need to let the little things that would ordinarily bore you suddenly thrill you.
Andy Warhol

Never be bored, and you will never be boring.
Eleanor Roosevelt
 
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I'm younger than you, so I don't have quite the same "beginning of the internet" perspective that you do. However, I was introduced to technology from around the same age--4 or 5 years old--at that time, we had two PowerBook G4s. I remember the first Retina display, the introduction of the iPad Pro, and the first MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. Apple Silicon was the last great innovation in my opinion. Nothing bigger or better has come recently. Therefore, it seems the 2010s were a big decade for technological advancement. Of course the 2020s we've seen a sharp rise in AI, but I don't really count that as a new thing. Just more people using it.

Social platforms getting ever more popular means that there will be a more hurtful and negative content posted. However, I personally do not feel that anything is missing from my life, partly because I was too young for "the old days of the internet." I did not get my first iPhone until 2020, when I was a freshman in high school. Didn't join social media until that time, either. So I did not see the early days of the App Store or any of that.

I've had a computer of my own since I was about 10 years old, though. But I watched YouTube, and that was all my "social media intake" was. Other than that, I created stuff. Used Logic Pro to record and produce my own music. Taught myself to code in bash to create simple scripts to run terminal commands. Saw very little of the internet besides YouTube. And even then, I obsessively watched old videos (from the late 2000s) on audio gear--did not follow any big influencers.

Technologically, I don't feel inspired by new developments, either, but my choice in that matter is to just not pay attention to any of that. Instead, use the technology that works for me and only when I need it.
 
Kudos if you got to the end of my word vomit, but one of the things I love about forums is you get outside perspective and community, all built around a common interest. I would love to hear from others if this sounds familiar.
When I was a teenager in the 80s, I was watching a lot of movies on VHS, which was new at that time. I knew names of directors and actors 😂 etc. And I watched every single nature program on TV.
Then I got satellite TV, and watched a lot of German TV in the early 2000s.
I stopped watching TV around 2004, because there was less and less of programs that I enjoyed. And news was making me feel sick. The news was laser focused on bad stuff. As if good news was not news worthy.

And I had started to build my own PCs in late -99, and dug into Linux to learn more about how computers work. While using Windows 95 to Windows 7. Then I switched to iPhone, and that started my journey into the Apple eco system.

I played MMORPGs for 10 years. Saga of Ryzom (4 years), Lord of the Rings Online (2 years), and Eve Online (4 years).
Stopped because it forces players into fighting other players. And I do not enjoy destruction.

I have used social media a few short periods like VK, but never the big ones like facebook.

I do not roam around on the internet, but choose specific places that I follow, or engage in. Like macrumors ;)

So internet might feel stale. But are any other option better?

At the moment I am going deeper into simulator gaming. As I have been enjoying euro truck simulator 2.
And about to build a flight sim as well, as I think I will love that as well.
The feel of playing a sim game with physical controls mirroring the real world stuff is something I found I enjoy.

Watching youtube videos of how other people build amazing kits, especially the flight sims, are astonishing.
And how real truckers, or pilots, are using their sim games is also a learning experience.

As for me, I do not think internet feels stale. But I also avoid 99% of the stuff out there 🤣

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I liked you post well enough to bother give a reply 👍
 
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I think because of smartphones and in particular iPhone the technology we use today had become normalised. Sure, internet existed before and there were smartphones before iPhone, but 15 years ago I couldn't imagine that most kids would be all running around with the latest iPhone, toddlers are glued to their iPad all day and on the other end of the spectrum my grandmother can use her iPhone with very little help. None of these people in my examples have gotten any better at using a standard laptop though.
 
I'm 54, so I did not grow up with the internet…

However, dad brought home a TRS-80 in 1980. I was 10. A Commodore 64 came in to the house during the summer of 1984, so I would have been 13.

In 1985 I discovered modems. And my sequestered, rural life blew up. This was the age of the Bulletin Board System. Before AOL, before Prodigy, etc. You dialed in to a BBS, connected the modem and off you went. For the first time I could talk to people across the nation (USA) at any time day or night.

In high school, 1986 to 1989 I ran my own BBS, first on my C64 and then on a Commodore 128. 1990 saw my first PC, I was 19. By 1998 I was 'forced' to be using Windows. I'm a DOS person and Windows has always been bolted on top.

When I discovered internet forums around 2001 it made me very happy. I fully converted to Mac in 2003. I would have been 32 then.

My son, who is 21 and will start his final year for an IT degree in 2025, got his first Mac in 2008 when he was 5. An old iBook G3 with a broken Airport antenna. He's PC now and told me recently that he managed to get both Windows and Linux installed on his laptop.

Like you, I've always searched for the new in tech. But, I've never let the tech drive me or define me. I'm Gen-X, so I can tune out distractions. My tech stuff are tools and I use them that way. I use the internet as a way to connect with people and for that it's still working.

And as long as I can do that, I'm good. This 54 year old person who managed to break free from the confines of that rural hell in the 80s through a 300 baud modem will never be disconnected again.

Times change, things change. Pick new targets
 
IMO, the issue isn't that the internet has become stale. We've just been groomed and fed regurgitated and repackaged products and services that "feel" new when in reality they aren't. I agree that the internet used to be a fun place to connect with new people and discover new things and ideas but over the past decade, it's felt like just an endless black hole of sludge, junk and vitriol.

These days, I purposefully try to avoid the internet when I can. There are some instances where it is unavoidable and a necessity, especially for my job. But I dont need social media. I dont need youtube. I've made it a point to make my iPhone as intentionally unconnected as possible for my own sanity. These days, I'd much rather spend time outside and enjoy it while I can vs doom scrolling.

Life is far too short to be worrying about who posted what on social media, especially if they are attention whores looking for exposure.
 
IMO, the issue isn't that the internet has become stale. We've just been groomed and fed regurgitated and repackaged products and services that "feel" new when in reality they aren't. I agree that the internet used to be a fun place to connect with new people and discover new things and ideas but over the past decade, it's felt like just an endless black hole of sludge, junk and vitriol.

These days, I purposefully try to avoid the internet when I can. There are some instances where it is unavoidable and a necessity, especially for my job. But I dont need social media. I dont need youtube. I've made it a point to make my iPhone as intentionally unconnected as possible for my own sanity. These days, I'd much rather spend time outside and enjoy it while I can vs doom scrolling.

Life is far too short to be worrying about who posted what on social media, especially if they are attention whores looking for exposure.
Couldn’t agree more. I get no audio alerts on my iPhone. Never joined social media. I almost never give my mobile number or the email address connected to my iPhone mail ap out.
I use a gmail account that I only access via webmail when I want to for things like Amazon etc.
My iPhone is for my convenience. Not other peoples.

I grew up before the internet. Before home computers were even common.

I would say the internet has become a lot less pleasant place to be. Between the internet trolls, the polarised opinions and the data mining it is a lot less friendly than it was.

In terms of technology advancements, each iPhone, iPad, Mac or PC brings less improvements than they used to.

I used to update my iPhone every 2 years. Now I’m still using an iPhone 12, and the only thing I’ll notice is improved when I replace it will be the battery. And even that is probably more to do with it being a new battery than a better battery.

The law of diminishing returns.
 
Hi everyone,

This is a bit of a ramble, but I was thinking about this a lot recently and would love to hear from others if they are having a similar experience. I grew up with the internet. I was born in 1998, and I took an interest in computers at a very young age. My dad would bring home old surplus computers for me to tinker with starting at age 4. I remember being filled with wonder when I connected my computer to the internet (my guess was this was around 2005), my family didn't own a WiFi router, I just had a 100ft ethernet cable I would take across the house and plug into my Pentium 3 Dell's network jack. I remember being amazed by MSN Messenger for video calls and the funky Logitech webcams from the mid-2000's that doubled as early digital cameras. Another thing I remember being floored by was Skype and how I could use it to call landlines over VoIP (and the free minutes they gave everyone until the end of 2006). Of course, moving to a laptop around 2007 was also mind blowing to me as I could bring the computer all around the house, I remember bringing my bargain bin Acer laptop to different places and connecting to Wi-Fi hotspots in public locations.

I was a little late to the iPhone train, as I only took an interest in Apple in 2008, and since I wasn't old enough to have a phone, I saved up money to buy an iPod touch. Now all of a sudden the internet could fit in my pocket! The web could be taken with me. I didn't have social media, but I would visit all sorts of tech blogs and continue learning about technology wherever I was. The app store was in its infancy and I would just scroll through the categories looking for new apps to try out. I distinctly remember an app that would tap into any public IP camera feed and I could look at live video from anywhere in the world.

For the next decade or so, technology continued to amaze me, and I couldn't wait to see what was next. Retina Displays, the beginning of social media and the ability to chat with friends anywhere I was, FaceTime, 4G, etc, etc. It was this whole new world and I was determined to figure out how it worked. I got a degree in Electrical/Computer Engineering, and honestly, even though I know the fundamentals now, I now know how little I know and how you need to specialize to not go insane. I chose to work in semiconductors because they are the building blocks of everything else, plus the manufacturing process is probably one of the most technologically advanced invention of the current era.

These days, I don't feel impressed by most new consumer technology. We've hit a wall with a lot of the new "innovative" things coming out, at least that I would be interested in. EV's are definitely a cool new thing, but I don't want to go out and buy one because my 10 year old Mazda works great. Generative AI looked promising at the beginning (I would say that's the closest I've been to recreating that child like feeling of being amazed in the past few years), but now it seems every single company is shoving it into their product whether it makes sense or not. It's also actively ruining the internet because more and more of it is being churned out as a replacement for "real content". Dead Internet theory is beginning to seem more and more real.

Social Media has become a toxic hellscape where everyone is living in their own bubble because the all knowing "algorithm" throws up content it thinks you might like. Twitter used to be a "town square" before Musk bought it, but I had to leave because it got BAD. Now I can choose between scrolling through the most infuriating clickbait on Threads where people act like idiots to drive engagement, or trying to tune a feed on BlueSky. Other social media platforms really propagate the "look at me" attitude that older generations like to poke fun at GenZ/Alpha for (because honestly there's truth to it!). However, these massive companies have designed these sites to be addictive, and I know I get sucked into it like everyone else. I miss the days where there were random forums for any topic under the sun, but it seems like all of that has sort of collapsed into Reddit, which has a lot of the same issues as other "social media". I still find myself bouncing from app to app, missing the early days of iOS and remembering when I used to be so inspired by the different apps I would download and test. I have visited Macrumors almost daily for over 15 years, it feels like home on the internet because it hasn't changed as much as the world around it.

Obviously there is life outside of technology and the internet. I have an amazing fiancée and 2 adorable cats. I have friends and I disconnect while I am spending time with them. My family is healthy. I used the Apple Watch to begin an exercise routine that got me to lose 80lbs and keep it off for almost 8 years! I have hobbies (photography, 3D printing, electronics repair). I have an excellent job where I get to work on interesting semiconductor testing projects. I spent the better part of a year developing software to help automate a lot of manual processes at my job, so recently I have had a lot of "free" time at work, but I don't really feel inspired by anything right now. Even with all these amazing things I have in life, in my down time, I can't help but feel there is something missing that I used to have and got me to where I am now. Maybe that is just part of growing up, but I sure do miss that feeling.

Kudos if you got to the end of my word vomit, but one of the things I love about forums is you get outside perspective and community, all built around a common interest. I would love to hear from others if this sounds familiar.
I’ll take this post to a dark place…
If you want the short of it, I think we are doomed as a species. We are psychologically and emotionally unable to make smart, necessary decisions that accounts for 8B of us spewing poison into the atmosphere, fishing the seas until they're barren, turning paradise into a parking lot. When there were a million of us, no problem, Gaia could handle our smoke. Who knows, we might get knocked back to a million if we can’t get our **** together soon, Gaia will see to it, that is if we don’t blow ourselves up first… 🤔
 
I’ll take this post to a dark place…
If you want the short of it, I think we are doomed as a species. We are psychologically and emotionally unable to make smart, necessary decisions that accounts for 8B of us spewing poison into the atmosphere, fishing the seas until they're barren, turning paradise into a parking lot. When there were a million of us, no problem, Gaia could handle our smoke. Who knows, we might get knocked back to a million if we can’t get our **** together soon, Gaia will see to it, that is if we don’t blow ourselves up first… 🤔
It really is a coin toss over how we go out...

1. Continue to pollute the ozone layer, trash the oceans and use up the aquifers all while dealing with hurricanes, tornadoes and wildfires of ever growing magnitude and frequency while the ice caps melt at an exponential rate. We either choke on poisonous gas, drown from hurricanes or die of dehydration.

Or

2. Nuke each other into oblivion all because we couldn't find common ground on issues that affect everyone and refused to concede argument points all for the sake of saving our egos.

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I’ll take this post to a dark place…
If you want the short of it, I think we are doomed as a species....
My take on this is not that we are doomed. But we have to start taking responsibility for one another. And we should refuse to let the worst individuals run governments, NGOs and multi-national corporations.

As Socrates discussed on the topic of the different governing options, democracy is the worst.
And he knew the best people would shun the leader positions, so would need to be convinced to take on the responsibility.

I do not believe we will have a perfect human society. Because we have different psychological traits. I prefer C.G. Jung's classification into 4 temperaments, two rational, and two irrational. And either extrovert or introvert.
And we all have one temperament buried in the shadow, or unconscious.

It is fascinating that it looks almost universal that we end up 50/50 whenever the larger masses have a choice. Seems pretty much like it really comes down to our temperaments, which direction we choose.
 
Eh. Stuff runs in cycles.

The internet used to be exciting when it was new, fresh, an adventure, and the Wild West...yes.

But that is the natural cycle of things. We could say the same about nearly every human endeavor.

Things like: Music, Movies, and nearly any technology.

I am old enough to remember how magical it seemed when VCRs became a thing. WHAT? You can record video!!?!? INSANE! I can watch things when I want??? I can record whatever and build a huge video library? What else could one ever want?

Same for microwave ovens, answering machines, and owning a phone (I mean landlines...ATT used to rent us phones. Really.). Heck, even wireless networking melted our brains when it hit, not to mention the first cell phones.

I think about the amount of change older generations saw. My grandparents were alive for the first flight by the Wright Brothers, and watched men drive a car on the moon. They lived through WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the ENTIRE Cold War. That's alot to digest. But at the same time, as normal people, they kinda trudged through life, too busy to be in awe of it all.

I guess the point is while change is constant, the world usually moves at a digestible pace. Which can seem unexciting, or even boring. If one is on this marble long enough, we do all get to experience something big, exciting, or even earth-shaking...like the early days of the internet.

But it is normal for that NOT to happen all the time. Some of us are just in withdrawal after years of being overstimulated. :)

Don't worry, a new adventure will be along after a while. Self-driving cars, AI stuff, personal robots, drone transport, useful AR/VR...or something else.

Stuff runs in cylces.
 
My take on this is not that we are doomed. But we have to start taking responsibility for one another. And we should refuse to let the worst individuals run governments, NGOs and multi-national corporations.

As Socrates discussed on the topic of the different governing options, democracy is the worst.
And he knew the best people would shun the leader positions, so would need to be convinced to take on the responsibility.

I do not believe we will have a perfect human society. Because we have different psychological traits. I prefer C.G. Jung's classification into 4 temperaments, two rational, and two irrational. And either extrovert or introvert.
And we all have one temperament buried in the shadow, or unconscious.

It is fascinating that it looks almost universal that we end up 50/50 whenever the larger masses have a choice. Seems pretty much like it really comes down to our temperaments, which direction we choose.
I did not think I was doing it, but I don't want to hijack this converation any more than I have. I'll just go out with this:

These pollution, food, climate, etc problems have developed based on our numbers, we don't think enough about it as being a multiplier of pollution. There is a social aspect to this via social media where Fool'd Ya has become a thing, and it's about to get worse with AI. We may reach a point where we don't know what we can believe, because there is no reliable MSM left to report accurate facts. This could easily make it impossible to fix our problems.

Ok, China tried to limit it's population growth but screwed that up royally. Now they are reported to be begging for women.

But my intent is to not launch into an overly political talk, which won't last long in this forum anyway. I'm just saying we don't have our collective act together, we are too tribal, too selfish, trying to get one up on each other, instead of acknowledging that our future, if there is a decent future to be had is via de-growth. We are well past the point of continual need to expand. And that's the problem.

We are not on the same page about this. We multiply as fast as the environment can handle us. The West is relatively wealthy, The East and third world wants what we got, and the entire time we are consuming ourselves into dire straights IMO. It's all about numbers. Those with the piles of gold, don't want to give it up for the greater good, the good of the planet. Consequently we take little nibbles at the problem as we watch it slowly fall apart, and if you can believe the science, once we get there it will be very difficult to reverse, even if we are get on the same page.
 
More and more often, I will sit at a web browser with my fingers hovering over the keys trying to think of someplace to go, something to search that is new to me. But again and again, I go back to the same six to eight webpages hoping to see something new.

As I get older, I find myself doing the same thing with books, music, movies, magic tricks (yes, I'm an amature magician). PLEASE show me something I have never seen before.

Even technology is becoming derivative. "Hey, look! We have a new phone - and now it FOLDS!" Yup. Used to have one of those. I was called a flip phone.

I was listening to a podcast where these "kids" (to me, at least) were going on and on about new agriculture technology to feed the world. New? The Army was using it to feed troops in the Pacific islands in WW2 and I was working with it in the 90's. It's just as cost inefficient now as it was then (if not worse!).

Maybe I'm just more cynical. Maybe it's the holidays. There's a book called "Wonder Switch" by Harris III about regaining your sense of wonder. I guess I need to read it again...
 
More and more often, I will sit at a web browser with my fingers hovering over the keys trying to think of someplace to go, something to search that is new to me. But again and again, I go back to the same six to eight webpages hoping to see something new.

As I get older, I find myself doing the same thing with books, music, movies, magic tricks (yes, I'm an amature magician). PLEASE show me something I have never seen before.

Even technology is becoming derivative. "Hey, look! We have a new phone - and now it FOLDS!" Yup. Used to have one of those. I was called a flip phone.

I was listening to a podcast where these "kids" (to me, at least) were going on and on about new agriculture technology to feed the world. New? The Army was using it to feed troops in the Pacific islands in WW2 and I was working with it in the 90's. It's just as cost inefficient now as it was then (if not worse!).

Maybe I'm just more cynical. Maybe it's the holidays. There's a book called "Wonder Switch" by Harris III about regaining your sense of wonder. I guess I need to read it again...
Technology, while being nifty, can provide interest, in some cases awareness of a new realm of possibilities and intrique, but I don’t believe it can sustain you. …not said in a critical manner, or critiquing you, just my general observation. I know that it can be used for escapism, as I find myself escaping quite often into imaginary worlds with imaginary friends and adversaries via computer gaming.

I’ve traveled a good portion of the world, seen many things, but mostly, now I go on trips to keep the wife happy, but part of me while enjoying the visit, resents but not being able to spend an extended period of time in a new exotic locale, which would include the freedom, finances, and vigor to bail when I’ve had enough.

I think I’ve been here long enough that sensing wonder has become elusive. A definite jogging of one’s perception from the routine is required. Mostly if not in escapism mode, I have to forget my daily mortal concerns and maybe meditate, or get immersed in nature, or think about the greater journey which continuously returns me to the possibility of wonder. That greater journey is a premise made up from my imagination, and hopefully sound, while being based purely on conjectural logic, or if you prefer, wishful thinking.;)

Of significant note, the prospect of a continued journey is a must element for wonder, because if you don’t exist, if you cease to experience, if it will all be lost, then nothing really matters.

I am reminded of Roy Batty’s last words:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off (the) shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

His premise was, death is the end, all will be lost. And although I accept that possibility, I much prefer to believe in the idea of one part of an extended journey. And because I’m personally vested in the idea of “purpose” which includes the continuation of consciousness, I have high hopes for the future. ☺️

…maybe a good holiday message. 🙂
 
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I think because of smartphones and in particular iPhone the technology we use today had become normalised. Sure, internet existed before and there were smartphones before iPhone, but 15 years ago I couldn't imagine that most kids would be all running around with the latest iPhone, toddlers are glued to their iPad all day and on the other end of the spectrum my grandmother can use her iPhone with very little help. None of these people in my examples have gotten any better at using a standard laptop though.
A great example of how technology has changed the social fabric. When I was a kid, getting outdoors was the ticket for some fun.
 
Technology, while being nifty, can provide interest, in some cases awareness of a new realm of possibilities and intrique, but I don’t believe it can sustain you. …not said in a critical manner, or critiquing you, just my general observation. I know that it can be used for escapism, as I find myself escaping quite often into imaginary worlds with imaginary friends and adversaries via computer gaming.

I’ve traveled a good portion of the world, seen many things, but mostly, now I go on trips to keep the wife happy, but part of me while enjoying the visit, resents but not being able to spend an extended period of time in a new exotic locale, which would include the freedom, finances, and vigor to bail when I’ve had enough.

I think I’ve been here long enough that sensing wonder has become elusive. A definite jogging of one’s perception from the routine is required. Mostly if not in escapism mode, I have to forget my daily mortal concerns and maybe meditate, or get immersed in nature, or think about the greater journey which continuously returns me to the possibility of wonder. That greater journey is a premise made up from my imagination, and hopefully sound, while being based purely on conjectural logic, or if you prefer, wishful thinking.;)

Of significant note, the prospect of a continued journey is a must element for wonder, because if you don’t exist, if you cease to experience, if it will all be lost, then nothing really matters.

I am reminded of Roy Batty’s last words:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off (the) shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

His premise was, death is the end, all will be lost. And although I accept that possibility, I much prefer to believe in the idea of one part of an extended journey. And because I’m personally vested in the idea of “purpose” which includes the continuation of consciousness, I have high hopes for the future. ☺️

…maybe a good holiday message. 🙂
Got a cool science-spirituality mashup:
 The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
 There's no doubt that we have an energy/life force within us.
 When we die, that energy leaves our body...
 And lives on.
 Where? We don't know.
 We just know that it can't be destroyed.
— David Gerken's Substack
 
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👍🏻 If you look at 1950-70s kids, outside was where it was at. Once the electronic gadgets came about, not so much, outside took a hit. 🤔
I think it varies by child tbh. There were no or very few electronic gadgets when I was growing up.
When I was a teenager I got a radio controlled car. So even though it was electric I used it outside.
 
Got a cool science-spirituality mashup:
 The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
 There's no doubt that we have an energy/life force within us.
 When we die, that energy leaves our body...
 And lives on.
 Where? We don't know.
 We just know that it can't be destroyed.
— David Gerken's Substack
Obviously, (I think) most of us would like that energy to remain coherent. Purpose can only exist if contemplation and consideration is part of the calculations along with appreciation. 😃
 
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I agree with the OP.
My biggest issue is that there no longer are any forums. There's pretty much only MacRumors, but all of the other forums I've visited have moved to Reddit / don't exist anymore. Forums were fun. I even made friends from some forums and the users got to know each other. There was definitely more free speech and now the only place where I can see free speech (kind of) is 9gag.
There was MacRumors like forum in my home country, dedicated to Apple Devices, but it got bought out by Apple reseller and now the website and the forums are gone.
There were so many fan clubs of different bands etc, but they don't exist anymore. So many video games had fan websites with tutorials etc but they don't exist anymore.

GameTrailers was also a lot of fun, but now there's only YouTube and I remember I was able to read the news for free, but now I would have to pay 9,99€ a month and still get ton of ads. If I want an ad free experience I'd have to pay more.

I remember there was something like Kirupa ( I just Googled it and it still exists but it's way worse than it was back in 2005) and many other similar websites with tutorials and scripts and I started making my own Flash Games, which was fun.

Rockstar Games used to have awesome websites for each game, but now it's generic. It was fun to explore the websites. I remember The Simpsons: The Movie website was awesome and I tried to recreate it in Flash. It was all fun.

Even The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003, the movie) had its own awesome website, but nowadays everything is so generic and so many bands used to have awesome websites. Now only Linkin Park has a cool website.Nowadays band websites are usually just shops (like Papa Roach's) and some of the bands have only Facebook pages.

So many smaller companies don't have websites either. They just use Facebook (at least in my country) and if you want some information you have to sign up for Facebook, because you can't view the information without signing in, but I don't have Facebook.

Most websites look the same nowadays. The only forums are pretty much MacRumors and everything else is Reddit, which is controlled by the same people.

I know a lot of people dislike Microsoft and their products, but MSN was just awesome and I don't know whether or not I am tripping here on nostalgia, but MSN was a lot better than Teams.

My biggest issue is that everything is owned by big corporations and they control everything. All of the websites I visit look the same. When I visit reddit and look at people's portfolios they all look pretty much identical, have the same design and the same projects and then they complain about not getting hired anywhere. What I was taught at school is to create projects that the company has, as for example if I applied for a job at Apple I should create apps like Pages and Passwords at very least.

At very last I must say that dating websites used to be a lot better. You could search for people and send unlimited messages and actually make friends and find dates, you didn't have to swipe.

Also, I don't remember such strong hate towards PHP as there is these days. I personally think PHP is the best programming language to create a website.
In general, the website design seems to be pretty awful nowadays. Many portfolios have "Contact me" link and then it's badly designed and then you see such things on the company's websites too.
Some of the contact forms literally look like this as in the attachment below and then they complain that they can't find a job.

Also, I can't forget the "Safari sucks" rants on reddit, especially in web design etc subreddits.
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I see posts like this at least once a week and they get so many upvotes. Well, don't develop for Safari then. I don't understand what's your issue. Even now, when in the EU other browsers are allowed a lot of the iPhone users are still gonna use Safari. I'm talking about the average users and it also includes me. I remember the times when you had to create separate website for mobiles. Usually the URLs were like m.macrumors.com or Macrumors.com/mobile etc…
 

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I agree with the OP.
My biggest issue is that there no longer are any forums. There's pretty much only MacRumors, but all of the other forums I've visited have moved to Reddit / don't exist anymore. Forums were fun. I even made friends from some forums and the users got to know each other. There was definitely more free speech and now the only place where I can see free speech (kind of) is 9gag.
There was MacRumors like forum in my home country, dedicated to Apple Devices, but it got bought out by Apple reseller and now the website and the forums are gone.
There were so many fan clubs of different bands etc, but they don't exist anymore. So many video games had fan websites with tutorials etc but they don't exist anymore.

GameTrailers was also a lot of fun, but now there's only YouTube and I remember I was able to read the news for free, but now I would have to pay 9,99€ a month and still get ton of ads. If I want an ad free experience I'd have to pay more.

I remember there was something like Kirupa ( I just Googled it and it still exists but it's way worse than it was back in 2005) and many other similar websites with tutorials and scripts and I started making my own Flash Games, which was fun.

Rockstar Games used to have awesome websites for each game, but now it's generic. It was fun to explore the websites. I remember The Simpsons: The Movie website was awesome and I tried to recreate it in Flash. It was all fun.

Even The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003, the movie) had its own awesome website, but nowadays everything is so generic and so many bands used to have awesome websites. Now only Linkin Park has a cool website.Nowadays band websites are usually just shops (like Papa Roach's) and some of the bands have only Facebook pages.

So many smaller companies don't have websites either. They just use Facebook (at least in my country) and if you want some information you have to sign up for Facebook, because you can't view the information without signing in, but I don't have Facebook.

Most websites look the same nowadays. The only forums are pretty much MacRumors and everything else is Reddit, which is controlled by the same people.

I know a lot of people dislike Microsoft and their products, but MSN was just awesome and I don't know whether or not I am tripping here on nostalgia, but MSN was a lot better than Teams.

My biggest issue is that everything is owned by big corporations and they control everything. All of the websites I visit look the same. When I visit reddit and look at people's portfolios they all look pretty much identical, have the same design and the same projects and then they complain about not getting hired anywhere. What I was taught at school is to create projects that the company has, as for example if I applied for a job at Apple I should create apps like Pages and Passwords at very least.

At very last I must say that dating websites used to be a lot better. You could search for people and send unlimited messages and actually make friends and find dates, you didn't have to swipe.

Also, I don't remember such strong hate towards PHP as there is these days. I personally think PHP is the best programming language to create a website.
In general, the website design seems to be pretty awful nowadays. Many portfolios have "Contact me" link and then it's badly designed and then you see such things on the company's websites too.
Some of the contact forms literally look like this as in the attachment below and then they complain that they can't find a job.

Also, I can't forget the "Safari sucks" rants on reddit, especially in web design etc subreddits.
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I see posts like this at least once a week and they get so many upvotes. Well, don't develop for Safari then. I don't understand what's your issue. Even now, when in the EU other browsers are allowed a lot of the iPhone users are still gonna use Safari. I'm talking about the average users and it also includes me. I remember the times when you had to create separate website for mobiles. Usually the URLs were like m.macrumors.com or Macrumors.com/mobile etc…
From what I can see, a lot of the forums have moved to Substack or Discourse. There’s a lot of variety, but you still have to look for it.
 
From what I can see, a lot of the forums have moved to Substack or Discourse. There’s a lot of variety, but you still have to look for it.
But those are still owned by some big companies. I don't understand what happened to the forums with different domain names, different moderators and administrators. If MacRumors jumped to Substrack or Discourse or reddit I would not be on board.
There still are tons of forum platforms such as mybb etc…
 
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