The iPhone 4 camera is the best phone camera out there

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  1. Merkie macrumors 68020

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    Proof.

    Set "No scaling" to "Scale to 8MP" for an easier comparison. This way the iPhone 4 photo is interpolated from 5MP to 8MP, but it still beats the native 8MP Desire HD (= Evo 4G) camera hands down. The amount of detail preserved in iPhone 4 photos is just really really good for a cell phone camera. I admit, the iPhone 4 is a bit noisy, but I prefer noise over noise reduction.

    The Galaxy S seems to perform almost the same as the iPhone 4, I suspect the iPhone 4 and Galaxy S to have the same sensor.
     
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  3. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    I agree, Nokia has a way better camera. iPhone is okay though. Still wont' completely replace a small P&S camera.
     
  4. Merkie thread starter macrumors 68020

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    The Nokia N8 is pretty good, but still... I don't know if I'd prefer it over the iPhone 4 camera. It has more than twice as many pixels, but it doesn't do that much with them. The lens distortion is pretty high too.
     
  5. Infraggable Kru, Dec 28, 2010
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    Look at the rest of the images, not just the grayscale

    In reference to your original post, Each of those 3 camera has its faults. There is a lot of noise in the iPhone pictures, probably a bump in ISO, the HTC desire seems to bump up the sharpness too much when it detects a black and white edge, and the Galaxy S looks very similar to the IPhone, but has less noise, but also colors are more dull

    That said

    The nokia N8 KILLS all of these phones, the colors are rich, blacks are solid with little noise, and still has a higher resolution than the rest of its competitors ( its on the pull down list)

    Nokia N8
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    Iphone 4
    [​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    Nope. That honor goes to the Nokia N8 which recently won an award for best cameraphone of the year. A true successor to my trusty Nokia N82 I previously owned. The rarity of having Xenon flash on a cameraphone also comes in handy. This is based on still photos, not video recording where iP4 beats it. The iPhone 4 might be the best "all-around" and the camera definitely improved. But it isn't the best or perfect at everything and loses a couple categories to the Nokia N8 based on still photos and build quality. Nokia N8 uses the same materials as the iPod mini and has Gorilla Glass which makes it extremely robust.
     
  7. ssdeg7 macrumors 6502a

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    There must be better cameras out there, the iPhone's camera is just fine for a phone.
     
  8. ChazUK macrumors 603

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    Glad to see people singing the N8's praises camera wise. A friend of mine has one and it seems to take some great shots for a cameraphone. The iPhone 4 does a great job tho but has been beaten in camera quality.
     
  9. Merkie, Dec 29, 2010
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    I saw the chart and it's much better than every other phone, I admit. But I also saw a couple of real life photos compared to iPhone 4 photos on Engadget a few months ago, and I remember that the iPhone 4 photos seemed much more vivid.

    http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-cameraphone-fight
    http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-full-resolution-crops

    The N8 isn't that much better imo. Also, the video recording on the N8 sucks since it's really choppy.
     
  10. Phil A., Dec 29, 2010
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    The iPhone 4 is far from the best phone camera available: It's OK for a phone and better than the 3GS but that's about it!
    As others have said, the N8 is head and shoulders above it in quality and to be honest my daughter's X10 Mini Pro takes far better photos than than my iPhone 4 (particularly indoors where the iPhone 4 gets real noisy real fast)
    Having said that, no phone camera is ever going to replace a "real" (i.e. not P&S) camera - the sensors and lenses are simply too small, but the line between the very best camera phones and low end point and shoot cameras is getting very blurred
     
  11. ctt1wbw macrumors 68000

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    These are PHONES, not CAMERAS. They are PHONES with CAMERAS built in. If you want a superior CAMERA, buy a Leica or something.
     
  12. ozzyman500 macrumors 65816

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    They still are great cameras. At least for amateur photographers like me. I've taken some bad ass pics with mine. :D
     
  13. Infraggable Kru, Dec 29, 2010
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    Engadget tried to be sly and act like it was doing a fair comparison

    First of all the iPhone shoots in 4:3 aspect ratio too
    (well actually it shoots in 4.016:3 Ratio)
    The only reason for this little blip is to confuse those who don't pay close attention

    But what they actually did was the following diagram

    [​IMG]

    Took the 12p sensor and cut it down to 9mp ( the Red box)
    Took that red 16:9 box and then cropped it to 4:3 ( the blue box)


    In other words what you are seeing isn't a direct comparison, its a native 5mp picture cropped compared to the middle 75% of a 12mp cropped( in essence the crop makes the picture appear 1.333 times larger, reason why everything looks bigger)


    The proper thing would be to take the same 12mp downsize it to 5mp and then crop it

    to produce something like this
    [​IMG]

    A further discussion here
    http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=31406.0

    That statement is complete BS ( where are you getting this awful information? )

    Canon S90
    [​IMG]

    Nokia N8
    [​IMG]

    both pictures show almost no signs of barrel distortion


    Good points and I agree with you on buying a superior camera (Cell phone camera's really only shine in optimal light, but at least you always have a camera on hand vs a regular camera) but this thread is claiming that the CAMERA is superior to any other CAMERA on a phone
     

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  14. walie, Dec 29, 2010
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    since you're using engadget as a source, you should note that in engadget's review of the n8, they note that the n8 takes pictures with a very natural colour balance, compared to the iphone 4 which artifically manipulates the pictures taken to appear more vivid. So does the iphone4 take "better, more vivid" looking pictures? Perhaps. But are the pictures reflect what is seen in the real world? Nope. Also, the n8 absolutely demolishes the iphone4 in low-light conditions thanks to its 1/1.83-inch sensor which is comparable to those in dedicated point-and-shoot cameras

    As for video, the n8 records video at 25fps, compared to 30fps of the iphone4, however, there is a hack that enables 30fps recording for the n8

    additionally, the n8 camera app has multiple settings including flash control, scene mode, face detection, exposure, white balance, ISO (100/400/800), sharpness, color tone, and contrast. The iphone4 has none of those features

    n8: xenon flash
    iphone4: LED flash


    i wonder what the winner here is...
     
  15. ReallyBigFeet macrumors 68030

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    The camera you have with you all the time is a million times more useful than the one you don't. So to compare the iPhone 4 camera to real P&S or DSLR's is pointless as most people don't have one of those hanging around their neck or in their hand all day long.

    But I think you'd have to have to some serious vision/reality distortion going on to think the iPhone 4 camera is better than the Nokia N8. The difference is, however, the iPhone 4 is being carried by more people than the Nokia N8 so its going to be a far more popular camera.

    I'd argue also that the countless apps available to the iPhone 4 make the camera better/more useful than it has a right to be on technical merits alone. Hisptamatic has turned my snapshots into a daily hobby and I've never had a P&S do THAT for me.
     
  16. diogenis macrumors member

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    It is silly to run these kinds of tests comparing between phone cameras. These are primarily phones with a very cheap set of plastic lens and a very small terribly small photo sensor, just enough to take emergency pictures (because you always have your phone with you). And nothing more. Even comparing them is silly: they all suck. And I am extremely worried about how good the Nokia 8 really is. Adding 12mp in such small sensors creates loads of problems. i would believe more in iphone4 sensor even with lower mp, but all phone cameras suck nevertheless. And comparing is done to find the worst not to find the best.

    If you guys want decent cameras go pay for one. There is a reason they exist. And it doesn't have to be Leica as someone mentioned, even a decent m4/3 can do the job and is portable enough (as a Leica).
     
  17. Infraggable Kru, Dec 29, 2010
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    Btw I love my iPhone 4, and about to go to bed

    I wouldn't call the 1/1.83″ Sensor on the N8 small, that's bigger than some Point and shoot camera ( iPhone 4 1/4" sensor)
    Plus it uses glass, blah blah other technical specs

    But DAMN with the right lighting conditions the sensor on the N8 is no joke
    ( at least at the level of a decent point and shoot)

    If you haven't read a thing in this thread at least click on the 12mp picture below

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Phil A. Moderator

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    The N8 actually has a decent-ish size sensor (at 1/1.8" it's actually larger than a lot of P&S cameras and has over twice the area of the iPhone 4's 1/3.2" sensor), and (apparently) it has a 5 element glass lens sat in front of it. That's why it takes photos that are far better than the iPhone 4 and ones that approach the quality of dedicated (P&S) cameras. Having said that, I don't care what camera is in my Phone because I hardly ever use it so I'm more than happy with my iPhone 4 :)
     
  19. atico5007 macrumors newbie

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    Comparing a 5 Mpix against a 12 Mpix cameras... Is that any fair?
    Let's just say my stock car is as good as a NASCAR one in terms of speed!
    (I'll stay with mine cause it takes me to far mor places than spinning on an oval ;)...)
     
  20. diogenis macrumors member

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    Because small is subjective here is a link where everyone can judge on itself. Just because Nokia claims its large, it doesnt mean that it also is... Larger than iphone yes. But still very small to make a difference as a camera.
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sensor_sizes_overlaid.svg
    If Nokia wanted a camera, then maybe it got one that's decent (I want to also see low light shots) But Apple still sells the best phone...
    Me, I would love to see a 1/1.83" sensor but no more than 3-5 mp so it can shoot dark scenes and videos, where it hurts, not eagles at bright daylight ;)

    Dont forget that sensor size is squared (its area) something that is cleverly hidden in the diagonal spec...
     
  21. zephxiii macrumors 6502

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    iPhone 4 camera is definitely not the best, but I am pretty pleased with it. 3GS camera was terrible, but the video seems smoother on it.
     
  22. diogenis macrumors member

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    Actually it's VERY fair.... the Mp number is a marketing trick overused by the camera makers to sell ....junk.
    A better number is the relation of Mp and Sensor area : http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=pixel density
    The Nokia for instance has some 30Mp/cm2!
    This means that the photoreceptors are way too many and way too small (hence the sensor IS small) So, in this case 12 Mp is not good. You will need lenses that are so good, that they just don't exist yet. The lenses is the barrier not the sensors. And we are speaking about junk lenses here.
     
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    ok thats nearly as good as my dslr :eek:
     
  24. Phil A. Moderator

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    Yes, the pixel density is important, but the OP wasn't comparing camera phones to DSLRs, they were comparing the iPhone to other camera phones and the fact remains that the iPhone 4 is not the best camera phone available.

    Also, the N8 does compare quite well against P&S cameras with a similar (actually bigger in many cases) sensor and decent (for a P&S) glass lens.
    Incidentally, the pixel density of the iPhone 4's sensor is around 33Mp/cm2 (i.e. worse than the pixel density of the N8), and the pixel density of the N8 is around the same as most P&S cameras
     
  25. Infraggable Kru, Dec 29, 2010
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    It's fair because the Op claimed the iPhone had the BEST camera in a phone. Yet still countless people in this thread keep using the same broken logic ( My iPhone camera is inferior, but its a better camera because its a better phone !!!!)

    Let me guess, you don't own a DSLR, I will put money down that all you are doing is Google searching terms and hoping to sound like you know what you are talking about

    1) The sensor size number is not squared, its a linear number.
    (The actual sensor diameter is roughly 2/3 the "sensor image size" )

    2) You pulled up a chart saying the 1/1.83" sensor is small when compared to other sizes.. Do you even know what those Bigger Sensors are housed in ?

    [​IMG]

    3) The sensor on a
    iPhone is 1/3.2" -> 5.29 mm Sensor diameter -> .15cm2 area
    Nokia n8 1/1.83 9.25mm Sensor diameter -> .40cm2 area

    4) You have no idea what you are talking about
    Even a nice point and shoot Camera like an SD870 has an image sensor size of 1/2.5"

    5) Please just stop already

    iPhone 5mp on .15cm sensor = 33MP/cm2
    Nokia N8 12mp on .40 sensor = 30Mp/cm2
     

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