The iPhone 6S Plus is $1029 off-contract in Canada. Is this an issue?

[timeconsumer]

Google will usually just mail you out a new phone the same day if you had a problem with a Nexus device. Which is better for people who don't live near a apple store.

Thats a fair reply and if I didn't live near an Apple Store I would probably be more inclined to save money and go with a Nexus device since I would have to deal with support over the phone anyway and wait for a replacement to be shipped.

But for those who do live close to an Apple Store I don't have to wait for it to be shipped to me initially and I don't have to mail it back or wait for a replacement should I need one. This makes it for a nicer experience for me and I'm willing to pay more for these benefits at the current time. But that may change in the future if I no longer see the value.

 

[teknikal90]

OP was making a valid observation.
Everyone so quick to get insecure and defensive and make this an Apple vs. Android debate....

 

[jqc]

OP was making a valid observation.
Everyone so quick to get insecure and defensive and make this an Apple vs. Android debate....

It may be be a valid point but this thread is asinine and it cant believe there are two pages worth of posts (yes I know Im technically guilty of continuing it but couldnt resist in this one instance). Apple products have been more expensive than competitors since forever, this is not new news! Is it an issue for who? Not apple and not for a a lot of people because they sell hundreds of millions of them and are the only profitable company in the space. Its just an asinine question.

Why is there a need for another thread on this subject? Rant over.

 

[teknikal90]

It may be be a valid point but this thread is asinine and it cant believe there are two pages worth of posts (yes I know Im technically guilty of continuing it but couldnt resist in this one instance). Apple products have been more expensive than competitors since forever, this is not new news! Is it an issue for who? Not apple and not for a a lot of people because they sell hundreds of millions of them and are the only profitable company in the space. Its just an asinine question.

Why is there a need for another thread on this subject? Rant over.

Indeed the 'Apple tax' has been in existence for a long time. I remember the days of the black macbook being $150 more than the white macbook...which is like $250 more than a comparable windows laptop.
I get that. But there's a difference between a $250 price difference on a $1,500 computer...and a $350-$400 difference on devices that now typically costs $500.
That's not 'Apple tax' anymore. In my view that's mispricing.
The iPod line, however successful it was back in the day continually got its prices slashed. The iPhone in almost 10 years of existence stayed being $1,000.
I think that's what the OP is referring to. I get the the Mercedes vs Toyota analogy. I don't think this is that.

 

[aristobrat]

OP was making a valid observation.
Everyone so quick to get insecure and defensive and make this an Apple vs. Android debate....

I'm still confused about the observation.

OP compares the price of four phones to the iPhone 6s Plus.

Three of the four phones aren't even analogous, as screen-size wise, they're more comparable to the less expensive Phone 6s, not the more iPhone 6s Plus.

With the iPhone 6s Plus, only one of the phones he listed (the Nexus 6P) is notably cheaper.
Compare a phone that Apple's really competing with (Samsung S7 Edge) -- the price is more expensive in the US, and about the same price in Canada.
So just because the Nexus 6P comes in lower, Apple isn't being competitive?

Same with the iPhone 6s. Compare it to the three phones on the OPs list.
In the US, it's the same price as the HTC 10, and less expensive than the Galaxy S7 (at least on Verizon). In Canada, they call are the same price (at least on Rogers).
Only the LG comes in cheaper.
Again, Apple's prices aren't being competitive because the LG came in cheaper?

I guess if that's the point to be made, the same point should be made about HTC and Samsung?

 

[jqc]

Indeed the 'Apple tax' has been in existence for a long time. I remember the days of the black macbook being $150 more than the white macbook...which is like $250 more than a comparable windows laptop.
I get that. But there's a difference between a $250 price difference on a $1,500 computer...and a $350-$400 difference on devices that now typically costs $500.
That's not 'Apple tax' anymore. In my view that's mispricing.
The iPod line, however successful it was back in the day continually got its prices slashed. The iPhone in almost 10 years of existence stayed being $1,000.
I think that's what the OP is referring to. I get the the Mercedes vs Toyota analogy. I don't think this is that.

Im sorry I dont agree. Apple sold 51M phones last quarter - you annualize that and its 204M a phones per year. In what universe is that a mispricing? 51M/204M phones!!! and its mispriced?? they arent selling skittles!!! People are paying those prices, like it or not because they WANT the phone and not that Samsung/other crap.

The REAL issue is the OP is pissed because to get the phone he REALLY wants, the 6S+, he has to spend over $1,000. Otherwise he would have happily bought one of the other phones he listed - and BTW as aristobrat points out are not even comparable - and not wasted (yet more) of my time with this stupid thread (but im slacking at work so i dont mind that much).

And it again comes down to the same old response to every stupid "apple is expensive" thread ever created: if you dont want to pay the price they ask, DONT! But as long as Apple is selling hundreds of millions of phones and doing it profitably, unlike any other company, theyre going to and the only people with an "issue" are the people who want one and cant afford it! Welcome to life!! So why start the millionth thread on it?

2nd rant over.

 

[teknikal90]

I'm still confused about the observation.

OP compares the price of four phones to the iPhone 6s Plus.

Three of the four phones aren't even analogous, as screen-size wise, they're more comparable to the less expensive Phone 6s, not the more iPhone 6s Plus.

With the iPhone 6s Plus, only one of the phones he listed (the Nexus 6P) is notably cheaper.
Compare a phone that Apple's really competing with (Samsung S7 Edge) -- the price is more expensive in the US, and about the same price in Canada.
So just because the Nexus 6P comes in lower, Apple isn't being competitive?

Same with the iPhone 6s. Compare it to the three phones on the OPs list.
In the US, it's the same price as the HTC 10, and less expensive than the Galaxy S7 (at least on Verizon). In Canada, they call are the same price (at least on Rogers).
Only the LG comes in cheaper.
Again, Apple's prices aren't being competitive because the LG came in cheaper?

I guess if that's the point to be made, the same point should be made about HTC and Samsung?

Im sorry I dont agree. Apple sold 51M phones last quarter - you annualize that and its 204M a phones per year. In what universe is that a mispricing? 51M/204M phones!!! and its mispriced?? they arent selling skittles!!! People are paying those prices, like it or not because they WANT the phone and not that Samsung/other crap.

The REAL issue is the OP is pissed because to get the phone he REALLY wants, the 6S+, he has to spend over $1,000. Otherwise he would have happily bought one of the other phones he listed - and BTW as aristobrat points out are not even comparable - and not wasted (yet more) of my time with this stupid thread (but im slacking at work so i dont mind that much).

And it again comes down to the same old response to every stupid "apple is expensive" thread ever created: if you dont want to pay the price they ask, DONT! But as long as Apple is selling hundreds of millions of phones and doing it profitably, unlike any other company, theyre going to and the only people with an "issue" are the people who want one and cant afford it! Welcome to life!! So why start the millionth thread on it?

2nd rant over.

Only apple can grossly overcharge for a product. and people like you defend it. wow
That's why they sell 204M a year.

 

[aristobrat]

Only apple can grossly overcharge for a product. and people like you defend it. wow
That's why they sell 204M a year.

So you go to Verizon's website, and they show the three current flagships:

$649 iPhone 6s
$672 Samsung Galaxy S6
$648 HTC 10

Apple is $1 more than the HTC and $23 cheaper than the Samsung. Which part is grossly overcharging?

 

[zorinlynx]

It's not Apple who is screwing over Canadians, it's the exchange rate.

And if Apple tried to give Canadians a break with lower pricing in Canada, giving up some profit, you'd have a massive horde of people from the US driving up to buy Canadian iPhones at a steep discount.

It's unfortunate; it really sucks; I know someone up there who could really use an iPhone but the pricing is keeping her from getting one. But the exchange rate is the fault here. Hopefully it'll get better soon.

 

[jqc]

and people like you defend it. wow
That's why they sell 204M a year.

"Only apple can grossly overcharge for a product"....BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR IT!!! Not because me or anyone else "defends" it! Do you realize how utterly absurd that statement is?? Do you understand how free markets work?!?!?

You think Apple is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the iphone? No! but people are!!! at that price!! So what "issue" does that create for Apple or anyone else other than for the people who cant afford it. and if you cant afford it, why is that apple's fault?

I would love to buy a Mercedes for the price of a BMX bike, guess what? they said NO! so Mercedes and every other company out there selling something I cant afford has an issue?!?

Please think for one minute before you post.

 

[teknikal90]

"Only apple can grossly overcharge for a product"....BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR IT!!! Not because me or anyone else "defends" it! Do you realize how utterly absurd that statement is?? Do you understand how free markets work?!?!?

You think Apple is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the iphone? No! but people are!!! at that price!! So what "issue" does that create for Apple or anyone else other than for the people who cant afford it. and if you cant afford it, why is that apple's fault?

I would love to buy a Mercedes for the price of a BMX bike, guess what? they said NO! so Mercedes and every other company out there selling something I cant afford has an issue?!?

Please think for one minute before you post.

Wow...The fact that people still buy it doesn't preclude it from being expensive.
The fact that people like you get as passionate about the fact that it should be expensive, and so should cost you more to have those products, is hilarious.
Tell me, if Apple lowers the price of iPhone by $200 would you go up to the Apple store and scream "take my money!" and hand them an extra $200 just because you would've paid that extra $200 anyway?

That's essentially what you're arguing here, keyboard warrior.. It baffles me why you'd support that! It's hilarious.
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So you go to Verizon's website, and they show the three current flagships:

$649 iPhone 6s
$672 Samsung Galaxy S6
$648 HTC 10

Apple is $1 more than the HTC and $23 cheaper than the Samsung. Which part is grossly overcharging?

In canada, where OP lives, it's different.

 

[aristobrat]

In canada, where OP lives, it's different.

In Canada, where the OP lives, Rogers has two of the three flagships:

CAN$899 iPhone 6s
CAN$899 Samsung Galaxy S7

CAN$899 HTC 10 (from Bell Canada, doesn't look like Rogers sells this phone)

Samsung, HTC, and Apple all sell their flagships at the same price. Except if you buy your HTC 10 direct from HTC. They charge CAN$999 then. Weird.

So where's the part where Apple is grossly overcharging up in Canada? Or do you mean to say that Apple, Samsung and HTC are all grossly overcharging up in Canada?

 

[jqc]

Wow...The fact that people still buy it doesn't preclude it from being expensive.
The fact that people like you get as passionate about the fact that it should be expensive, and so should cost you more to have those products, is hilarious.
Tell me, if Apple lowers the price of iPhone by $200 would you go up to the Apple store and scream "take my money!" and hand them an extra $200 just because you would've paid that extra $200 anyway?

That's essentially what you're arguing here, keyboard warrior.. It baffles me why you'd support that! It's hilarious.
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In canada, where OP lives, it's different.

You can't comprehend my posts, so this will be my final attempt because I'm just a glutton for punishment. Quote me where I argued it should be expensive or better yet, that I like that it's expensive? Can't? Because I'm never argued that. Acutally READ and try to comprehend my posts.

I'm arguing that it is not "mispriced", as you said, because people are buying it at that price. You clearly don't understand the basic concept of supply and demand. If no one wanted to pay the extra $200 Apple is charging they would have NO sales and be forced to lower the price. This is clearly not happening. I never said I'm happy about paying $200 more but enough people are willing to so that's what I'm going to have to do because Apple knows it can charge that and enough people will buy it, to the tune of 200M people per year. THAT is how a market works.

And what I'm getting passionate about is that you're not getting that. You just want to whine that these products are so expensive but you don't bother to understand WHY. You clearly never will, goodbye.

 

[teknikal90]

You can't comprehend my posts, so this will be my final attempt because I'm just a glutton for punishment. Quote me where I argued it should be expensive or better yet, that I like that it's expensive? Can't? Because I'm never argued that. Acutally READ and try to comprehend my posts.

I'm arguing that it is not "mispriced", as you said, because people are buying it at that price. You clearly don't understand the basic concept of supply and demand. If no one wanted to pay the extra $200 Apple is charging they would have NO sales and be forced to lower the price. This is clearly not happening. I never said I'm happy about paying $200 more but enough people are willing to so that's what I'm going to have to do because Apple knows it can charge that and enough people will buy it, to the tune of 200M people per year. THAT is how a market works.

And what I'm getting passionate about is that you're not getting that. You just want to whine that these products are so expensive but you don't bother to understand WHY. You clearly never will, goodbye.

I think you just like arguing.
Honestly what I'm saying is really not that difficult to comprehend.

 

[aristobrat]

Honestly what I'm saying is really not that difficult to comprehend.

What you're saying (only Apple can grossly overcharge for a product) is difficult to comprehend in the context of phones as there is little (if any) price difference (in either US or CAN dollars) between how they, Samsung and HTC price their flagship models, IMO.