iPhone X The iPhone X camera is better than iPhone XS?

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  1. Hieveryone macrumors 68040

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    In low light photos, it seems the iPhone X is actually BRIGHTER!

    What gives?

     
  2. akash.nu, Dec 3, 2018
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    Absolutely incorrect.

    I actually watched the whole video and the guy says time and again that the Xs is a better shooter. There was one random shot where the X was brighter but that can happen with any automatic setup where the camera either can’t focus or the algorithm can’t pick up the exposure properly. Otherwise the Xs was better than the X on every occasion.
     
  3. Hieveryone, Dec 4, 2018
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    No no no no no!

    The X produces BRIGHTER photos in every shot!
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    So I hate to say this but

    If the iPhone XS doesn’t produce brighter images in low light so you can see stuff better...

    Why isn’t this a HUGE deal???
     
  4. killhippie macrumors regular

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    I think you need to watch the video again and listen to what he is saying because he is not saying the X is brighter and better at all. Yes brighter sometimes but that means at night over blown lighting etc with less detail.
     
  5. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    Brighter is not always better. You need to do some homework.

    You can make any image brighter with the Apple Slider on the screen. Pick a dark scene and make it brighter with the slider and you will see.
     
  6. jeremiah256 macrumors 65816

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    You may find this test interesting:

     
  7. Raist3001 macrumors 65816

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    Quite frankly, this showed me that all phone camera's seem to do a fine job today in taking nice pictures.And sharpness, and saturation, and exposure is really subjective to the user.

    I would like to see a tack sharp photo taken with a high end DSLR, and see then see which phone camera can hold its weight.
     
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    I don’t think that you’ll see a lot of difference in sharpness between a phone and DSLR as long as both cameras are steady and properly focused.

    The advantage of a traditional DSLR is the large sensor which will be less noisy in shadow areas, have better out-of-focus rendition with an equivalent focal length lens, and of course you’ll be able to make a larger print with a larger file size. The dynamic range will also be better with a DSLR in a non-HDR image. But today’s phones are generally fine to 8x10 or 11x14 if not a bit larger. It’s really amazing what phone cameras can do.

    Surprisingly, there is some evidence that the default phone images don’t print as well at large sizes precisely because of the ‘secret sauce’ that makes small images for web use look so good - the processed images are optimized for the web, not print. They have too much sharpening and too much contrast. The Asian sauce (Google, Samsung, etc) also tends to make colors warmer and more saturated, sometimes unpleasantly so. This is a personal taste, the traditional analog Fuji films also shared those traits.

    The way to get the absolute best from a phone camera is to shoot RAW or HDR-RAW and process the images yourself. But RAW is a LOT of work especially if you’re working with a lot of images. A RAW workflow is not for folks that aren’t interested in the nuts and bolts of photography.
     
  10. Raist3001 macrumors 65816

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    Great points. Thanks for that. And I agree that phone camera's can capture amazing stuff.
     
  11. rich32gb5s macrumors regular

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    Ive looked at many comparison youtube videos and paused the footage. In my observations, id say that there isn't much difference with still shots and I personally feel that there is more software trickery with the XS mostly around contrast and blacks to give you a more dynamic look. Definitely a difference with video though. Also audio recording , much louder on the XS.

    Ive purchased a new X 64gb (unlocked) recently , 30% cheaper than the XS equivalent. For me personally the XS is not worth 30% more spend and by rule never spend the full RRP on apple products, especially todays prices on the X range
     
  12. apolloa macrumors G4

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    Nope, that test is utterly flawed because he should have had the XS and the XR and the X.
     
  13. happyhippo1337 macrumors regular

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    As someone above said: brighter isn’t always better. I have an X, had an XS and swapped that for an XS Max. Also a Pixel 3.

    I also do some professional shooting (wedding, real estate and industry/employee portraits on the side) and what got me into photography were the iphones back in the day. So I know a bit about this stuff.

    The X has phenomenal potential when shooting raw. Apple was always the one brand that didn’t artificially alter your images too much. They were more noisy but didn’t do the aggressive noise reduction, skin smoothing and oversharpening etc. That was until the iPhone 6. It went downhill ever since and the XS is abysmal in this regard.

    The way the XS automatically tries to lift the shadows in dark areas way more than it's dynamic range allows is mindboggling to me. It’s really really bad.

    If you like to edit your shots and are ok with shooting raw, the X hands down is the better camera.

    Even the developers of Halide have an extensive article about this on medium as to why they had to come up with a work-around when shooting raw on the XS. And in all my testing it’s still bad.

    The Pixel 3 on the other hand will do excellent computational trickery to get you better pictures. And still allows for simultaneous raw capture in the main camera app. Nightmode is years ahead of Apple and even the digitally zoomed pictures provide better picture than those taken with the telephoto lens Apple uses in some situations. It’s insane.

    However: the X to me hands down takes more consistent and better photos than the XS.
     
  14. rich32gb5s macrumors regular

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    Yes the X to me seemed more of "honest" performer than the XS in the comparison.
     
  15. Azathoth123 macrumors 6502

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    I’ve only had the XS for 4 days and don’t have enough time with it yet to make any comprehensive evaluations, but I am not seeing a big difference in the RAW images taken via the Lightroom Mobile camera. I hope to find some time later in the week to do more testing.

    In the Halide blog, the TL;DR is that the XS camera is better, but the RAW images have to be processed differently from the X.
     
  16. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Thank you everyone for the replies. I will read each one of them and do my best to understand the more technical ones (at least for me anyway)

    But I guess what I’m trying to say is that I want bright.

    Like when it’s evening, you got out and snap photos I want to the picture to look bright enough to where you don’t have to increase the brightness of your device to see it well.

    I don’t understand how in any circumstance DARKER would yield a better photo, at least for me. Sure, it may technically be better bc it has more this or less that, maybe it’s sharper, maybe it has less noise, and so on.

    But if it’s DARKER, and you can’t see it as well, what’s the point of all the other stuff being better?
     
  17. Azathoth123, Dec 4, 2018
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    Well, from what I’ve seen of images from the two, you’re probably seeing the increased dynamic range of the new XS sensor along with the secret sauce for it. A larger dynamic range will allow you to hold detail in both the shadows and highlights. HDR mode does the same thing computationally by merging several exposures to capture more detail at the ends of the exposure range.

    The processed image should remind you of what you saw when you took the picture. The images should be dark if the scene was dark (few light areas), they’re called low-key images. Very light images (few dark areas) are called high-key images.

    A good example is an image of a light. If you take a normally exposed image with a lit light bulb in it, the light itself will most likely have no detail at all in it. You can use HDR, composite images, etc to actually have detail in the light, but it doesn’t look natural because it isn’t what your eye expects to see, and the same goes for dark objects areas - some areas are supposed to be black. Like a black cat - a gray cat just isn’t the same.

    Google implemented an interesting feature called ‘night sight’, it’s mentioned in a thread here somewhere. It basically boosts night images and does it pretty well, but like all HDR techniques, it often doesn’t look natural, a lot of the images don’t look like a night scene should really look. IOW, they;re not what my eye ‘expects’ to see. That’s not to say that they’re bad or not good images. I think that really depends on the specific image, and any effect can be applied artistically to some images. Someone will do the same thing in an iOS app shortly.
     
  18. Shanghaichica macrumors G3

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    Well I owned the X and now I have the Xs max and the max is significantly better than my old X.
     
  19. The Game 161 macrumors P6

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    No it isn’t

    Since when is brightness the factor which is better? It’s not hard to make all your photos brighter with the settings.
     
  20. Hieveryone, Dec 5, 2018
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    Brightness is absolutely better in low light photos IMO.

    Heck, the whole point of having a good camera in low light is to produce a photo you can see!
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    But what I’m saying though is this, let me be very specific.

    I’ve got a low light photo right now, that when I open my photos app and go look at, it’s not bad, but I always turn the brightness of my screen up to see it better.

    My point is, if the iPhone XS images come out DARKER in low light, wouldn’t I have to make my iPhone screen brightness even HIGHER than on my X?
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    Does anyone know where I can find the original photos of all the camera to see which ones I like best before viewing the results?
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    Yeah I want my photos to look real ya know? No need to for them to guess what’ll look best. Just take the thing and I’ll fix it lol
     
  21. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    If the image is very under exposed (dark), no mater how my you brighten your screen it will not show any detail.

    If the image is very over exposed (light), no matter how much you turn your screen down, the brightest area will have no details.

    Just like when you use an app to brighten a dark background, the part of the image that is exposed right will get too bright.

    A camera sensor is only capable of a certain range of light and dark in a single image, go past either way and the image will suffer.

    I doubt I have helped you any as I can see you have no conception of how digital photography works, just try to enjoy your phone.
     
  22. Azathoth123 macrumors 6502

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    Everyone has to learn sometime and somewhere if they want their photos to be the best they can be, and part of that is learning what cameras can and cannot do, both in general and specific cameras.

    If folks get interested in photography because of the really wonderful cameras that many phones have in them today, that’s great. Learning to use them well is another issue, including what’s possible WRT a specific scene or a specific camera, but hey, ya gotta start somewhere and the great camera in your pocket is as good a place as any. Good luck to the OP, if you want to answer your own question, it’s a long, long, fun road that doesn’t really have an end.
     
  23. adamgbiggs macrumors 6502

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    A camera is designed to capture a true image of what it’s pointing at, not to brighten it up and give a false image.

    Adam.
     
  24. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68040

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    This isn’t accurate IMO bc when I turn the screen better I can DEFINITELY see the pic better......
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    That’s fine but all I’m trying to say is that pics taken in the dark come out brighter on X then why in the world is that a negative?

    Like if u take a group photo with 5 people at an outdoor mall at night with minimal lighting then u want bright so u can see there smiles!
     
  25. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    Then seek your answers from other than me as you refuse to listen or do a bit of homework on even the basics of digital photography.

    You are lucky that Apple puts enough tech in their devices where you do not need to know anything.
     

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