I don’t like either but if I had to choose it’d be the darker.
The brighter one looks unnatural to my eyes.
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On second look, the darker one is nice. I take that back. I do like it. Not bad.
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iPhone X The iPhone X camera is better than iPhone XS?
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I don’t like either but if I had to choose it’d be the darker.
The brighter one looks unnatural to my eyes.
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On second look, the darker one is nice. I take that back. I do like it. Not bad.
Just got an iPhone X and had a walk into the Rome acatholic cemetery (strongly suggest to everyone!) to have some first shots. Rainy day, cloudy, great atmosphere for this kind of place.
Pretty satisfied with the bokeh effect, the details and the b/w, to be improved the dynamic range and the shadow management, I'm curious to see how XS would have worked in this situation.
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Pretty satisfied with the bokeh effect, the details and the b/w, to be improved the dynamic range and the shadow management, I'm curious to see how XS would have worked in this situation.
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The X still has a great camera but the XS/XSM will outperform it with highlights.
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B&W photos would likely look pretty similar between the X and XS.. except for maybe skies with clouds. The advantage of the XS is the multi-exposure application/use with highlights. You can hide a lot of highlight issues with B&W.
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B&W photos would likely look pretty similar between the X and XS.. except for maybe skies with clouds. The advantage of the XS is the multi-exposure application/use with highlights. You can hide a lot of highlight issues with B&W.
They do take that into account and with the latest phones they seem to have prioritized dynamic range (the range between the brightest and darkest parts of the image). However, high dynamic range images can look very flat and if the subject is lit somewhere around the middle of that range it can make them feel darker. If the phone detects a face it will usually push the face to be at least a step or two above the middle, but the XS seems more conservative in how far it will compensate for faces (I can't confirm, don't have one myself). There is also a popular aesthetic in photography that pushes faces to within a step or two of the top brightness and either cuts out the highlights or squashes them. From your comments, it seems that is a look you like.
Photography is subjective, so if that's what you like learn how to achieve that look with your iPhone (the built in exposure slider works well; tap the face/subject you like a push the sun icon upward). My impression is that Apple is tuning their default camera app to look good to professional camera/phone reviewers who will be more impressed by a high native dynamic range and in that regards the XS seems better. If it doesn't work for you, Great! You saved yourself an upgrade.
Well said IMO.
My wife (X) and I (XR) take a lot of photos and what I have noticed the most is the overall ‘balance’ (maybe it’s dynamic range) of images from my XR are better. I am far from a pro but I do dabble in photography. I have also noticed that my Fuji likes to underexpose images. I am OK with that as I know I can adjust the exposure/shadows/etc and likely have more details than if the image was blown out.
If you are worried about the ‘look’ and results with skin tones I would not hesitate to get the XS. I am that guy who tested and returned about 4 iPhone 7+ due mainly to issues with skin tone. It was horrible with my kids (light skin tone). I actually went back to my 6S+, which was very good. My 8+ did a very good job but IMO, the XS/XR/XSM does an even better job than all of them.
If you don’t want to make the adjustment while shooting you can Edit the image, including using the drop-down in Light edits to adjust exposure, highlights, shadows, etc.
So I have a general question.
When you edit a photo, do you just eyeball it until it looks good to you?
Like I have no clue about the terminology like shadows, black point, exposure, etc.
Do I just adjust it and if it looks better to me than wala?
Or is the reverse. You’re supposed to look at a photo and be like “hmmm this needs to black point adjusted +0.2”
When you edit a photo, do you just eyeball it until it looks good to you?
Like I have no clue about the terminology like shadows, black point, exposure, etc.
Do I just adjust it and if it looks better to me than wala?
Or is the reverse. You’re supposed to look at a photo and be like “hmmm this needs to black point adjusted +0.2”
Until you know what you are doing, just adjust to your tastes. Applying HDR to challenging exposures can help.
With real cameras I shoot in RAW and so some post-processing/editing does need to be done. I get the image into my software program and first adjust exposure (if need be), and then usually kick up the contrast (RAW images tend to start out a bit flat) and then sometimes increase saturation and vibrancy if needed. Contrast is very important, both in color and in black-and-white and can add a surprising amount of impact to an image. Next I consider the overall composition and determine if the image could look better -- do I need to slightly straighten it? If I crop it, and I usually experiment with various ways of doing that, which aspect ratio really looks best? Would putting it into a square format be more interesting and better suited to the subject overall than the usual rectangular format? I also look carefully at the image to see if there are any elements which should not be there that I didn't notice at the time of taking the picture. A stray tree limb, a wispy leaf in the wrong place, a bit of litter on the ground......a quick move or two with the erasure or clone tool takes care of the offending object.
I do very much the same thing when I take photos with my iPhone XS, too, except that I don't shoot those in RAW. As a result I pretty much go with whatever the result is due to the camera's internal processing and use of HDR. At times I find myself dialing back the saturation and the HDR effects, as they can sometimes be too much of a good thing and look artificial and even cartoonish. Much depends upon the subject and the overall effect that I am after in the first place. Occasionally I experiment with special-effects filters for something different, but that can all too easily be overdone and become tiresome to viewers.
I do very much the same thing when I take photos with my iPhone XS, too, except that I don't shoot those in RAW. As a result I pretty much go with whatever the result is due to the camera's internal processing and use of HDR. At times I find myself dialing back the saturation and the HDR effects, as they can sometimes be too much of a good thing and look artificial and even cartoonish. Much depends upon the subject and the overall effect that I am after in the first place. Occasionally I experiment with special-effects filters for something different, but that can all too easily be overdone and become tiresome to viewers.
HDR is a shooting mode (capture mode, taking mode) in the camera app. It’s a camera feature not a post-processing feature. On the iPhone X, HDR mode is a button in the camera app IIRC, with the XS Smart HDR is a toggle in Settings -> Camera, and is on by default. I’ve left it on with my XS and haven’t seen a lot of downside yet, if HDR isn’t overdone it can make life easier for you in post-processing. Of course, if the scene brightness range is within the native range of the sensor, having HDR ‘on’ will do nothing.
Adjusting to what your eye likes is fine, that’s usually what everyone does, amateur or pro, the pro just knows in advance what most images need because they’ve rode that horse before. The best advice for a beginner is just to learn how to adjust the white and black points, usually done post-processing with slider adjustments or curves (curves are more advanced but do the same thing). This ensures that your image will have a full tonal range from pure black (a black cat) to pure white (snow, bright clouds), this assumes that the scene had a full tonal range to begin with. Having set the white and black points properly is a good starting point for any image, and can make a good deal of positive difference.
I’m no pro so I don’t know what they do. I edit to taste. JPEGs have already been ‘edited’/processed so there is less room for editing. Raw images have all the image data and are a blank slate. Until you know what you like I say shoot JPEG (regular iPhone Camera app) and then edit to taste.
Play with white balance, contrast, exposure (little goes a long way), shadows (sometimes shadows make an image), etc. Follow people on IG, VSCO, etc for ideas.
Ok. My guess is that most people just edit to taste.
Like I wish I knew the science behind editing. Like I wish I knew WHAT I needed to edit.
Like you show me a picture, any picture, and I’ll automatically know what adjustments I need to make to make it better. For example, I might a see a pic and be like dang that contrast needs a 6-7 boost up on the slider, and while your at it drop that highlight down 0.7.
And the wala it looks much better.
I just feel like on Snapseed for example there’s like 100000000000000000 adjustments and COMBINATION of adjustments and I have no clue what to do or what the ideal thing to do is to make it look better.
I’m literally just playing with stuff and there’s no way for me to really know what’s best bc once you combine different edits such as most contrast in conjunction with less brightness, and more black point, and so it really is a science trying to figure what will look best.
That comes with years of photography experience. Everyone’s gotta start somewhere.
This is just all about practice. Try this (note that in the Photos Edit there are drop down selections under Light and Color):
- Take a normal picture, in good lighting - try not to take it facing into the sun. Maybe have the sun on something but also some shadows
- Create a Duplicate - it’s in the Sharing menu
- Using stock Photo Edit - adjust the white balance (I think it’s called Cast in the app).. adjust to taste
- Ajdust the contrast to taste
- Adjust Saturation to taste
No compare your edits to the edits made by Apple when the image was processed.
Keep doing this as well as testing out other ‘sliders’ to see what they do to an image.
Note that the more drastic changes you make are likely to jack up your image. Lifting the shadows 100% is cool and all but can bring some trash into your image. HDR can look cool at mild levels but extremes look can look gaudy
Also, download VSCO and test out some of the filters. Try to pick a few you like. You can find some based on image type. Find a few for landscape shots. Find a few for people shots... etc.
.. and I am half joking.. but when the image just seems beyond repair.. hit the B&W and see what you get...
Good luck.