The irony of Samsung/TSMC nonsense

mobilehavoc

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The reason the Samsung SOC has slightly less battery life than TSMC is because the Samsung can run at a higher clock speed for sustained periods without throttling. This is due to the smaller 14nm size.

So battery tests that strain the CPU will result in more consistent performance but higher battery drain since there's less throttling. So it depends what you really want from your phone. I don't live in a jungle so can charge my phone when needed and I'd rather have consistent performance and less throttling with a small impact on battery life. Remember when the SOC throttles it uses less battery.

We went through this a few years ago on Android with Snapdragon and Samsung SOCs as they improved the process.
 

mobilehavoc

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Yes but the phone with Samsung Soc are not performing as well in the test and are running hot.
Not in my tests. My Samsung 6S benches higher then the TSMCs I've seen posted and hasn't gotten hot. Could be just certain chips.
 

MCube74

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Well most of the tests I have seen are just the opposite with TMSC performing better. It wouldnt be an issue and there wouldn't be many threads discussing this if Samsung chip was better.
 

mobilehavoc

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Everything I've seen is the Samsung is same or better in performance but less on battery.
 

bambooshots

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On a mobile device, I'll prioritize battery life over pure performance.

Especially for something like a smartphone.

Portable computer or not, watching videos, composing emails, browsing the web, maybe some gaming is about the extent of taxing activities on my device. I've made video edits perhaps thrice in the year I've had my phone.

That being said, I still haven't checked what chip is in my device!
 

mobilehavoc

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On a mobile device, I'll prioritize battery life over pure performance.

Especially for something like a smartphone.

Portable computer or not, watching videos, composing emails, browsing the web, maybe some gaming is about the extent of taxing activities on my device. I've made video edits perhaps thrice in the year I've had my phone.
That's fine. My use I'm always by a charger and I prefer performance since you can't change that. Battery I can just charge it etc.

Again the difference is not that drastic as benchmarks show. If all you do is run games or CPU intensive apps then yes the battery gap might be bigger but for normal mixed usage I think Apples estimate for 2-3% is right.
 

AbSoluTc

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That's fine. My use I'm always by a charger and I prefer performance since you can't change that. Battery I can just charge it etc.

Again the difference is not that drastic as benchmarks show. If all you do is run games or CPU intensive apps then yes the battery gap might be bigger but for normal mixed usage I think Apples estimate for 2-3% is right.
If it's not that drastic or big of a deal, why another thread to justify it?
 

CE3

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It's funny that initially a lot of people were posting they wanted the Samsung chip over the TSMC, and now it's TSMC or bust! Some are speculating that Samsung somehow trolled Apple with their chip. I doubt that. There's nothing wrong with the Samsung chip itself, it's just not as ideal for the battery Apple put in the 6S as the TSMC. It's possible a software update will level things out.. and some are already seeing good battery life with it.

On a mobile device, I'll prioritize battery life over pure performance.

Especially for something like a smartphone.

Portable computer or not, watching videos, composing emails, browsing the web, maybe some gaming is about the extent of taxing activities on my device. I've made video edits perhaps thrice in the year I've had my phone.
Completely agree. I think both chips will be able to handle video edits and other cpu intensive processes just fine, though.
 
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MCube74

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We talk so much about performance like as if we are carrying a desktop computer.

The most important thing for a mobile device is a good battery life.


iPhone 6s plus with Samsung chip is fine since the battery life will be better than the iPhone 6s with TMSC anyway.

However the iPhone 6s with Samsung chip will be something to worry about. One of the reasons why people chose to go for the Plus was bigger battery capacity. So now with the Samsung chip would be even worse than those with TMSC chip.

As for performance, both Samsung and TMSC chips will provide better performance compared to last year's iPhone 6. So performance is not so much of a concern as is battery capacity and overheating.
 
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MCube74

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I have the Samsung chip and my 6S runs great with great battery life.
If that is the case then we are people who got their phones with Samsung chip so annoyed and are planning to have their phones replaced?
We talk so much about performance like as if we are carrying a desktop computer.

The most important thing for a mobile device is a good battery life.


iPhone 6s plus with Samsung chip is fine since the battery life will be better than the iPhone 6s with TMSC anyway.

However the iPhone 6s with Samsung chip will be something to worry about. One of the reasons why people chose to go for the Plus was bigger battery capacity. So now with the Samsung chip would be even worse than those with TMSC chip.

As for performance, both Samsung and TMSC chips will provide better performance compared to last year's iPhone 6. So performance is not so much of a concern as is battery capacity and overheating.
 

realeric

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The reason the Samsung SOC has slightly less battery life than TSMC is because the Samsung can run at a higher clock speed for sustained periods without throttling. This is due to the smaller 14nm size.

So battery tests that strain the CPU will result in more consistent performance but higher battery drain since there's less throttling. So it depends what you really want from your phone. I don't live in a jungle so can charge my phone when needed and I'd rather have consistent performance and less throttling with a small impact on battery life. Remember when the SOC throttles it uses less battery.

We went through this a few years ago on Android with Snapdragon and Samsung SOCs as they improved the process.
It's nice for you to volunteer to use Samsung's crappy AP. You balance our eco world.
 

Aceroller

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If that is the case then we are people who got their phones with Samsung chip so annoyed and are planning to have their phones replaced?
I guess it really comes down to how you use your phone. But then again I haven't compared mine to a non-Samsung chip phone. I just know that know mine is lasting through the day and delivering excellent performance. So I personally am not upset about it. :)
 

magbarn

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Who cares about the performance difference? It's around 1% which people can't notice. Meanwhile the tsmc has much more than 1% better battery life especially when the phone is driven hard and that is noticeable for people who game and run their phones other than Facebook.
 

MCube74

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I guess it really comes down to how you use your phone. But then again I haven't compared mine to a non-Samsung chip phone. I just know that know mine is lasting through the day and delivering excellent performance. So I personally am not upset about it. :)
That is nice.

Performance will be good with both chips and you probably won't even notice the difference in performance between both chips, unless you sit and run benchmarks.

However, battery life you can notice because once you run out of battery you will be running around looking for a charger.
 
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masotime

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I find it funny that people are calling their iPhones "Samsung 6S". It's funny when you realize how close that nomenclature is to "Samsung Galaxy S6".
 
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