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Black Friday has historically not been "a thing" here in NZ, but over the past few years - and particularly this year - the retailers have been screaming "Black Friday sales!!!" for weeks. And I really do mean weeks: as it's not a traditional event here, different retailers do it on different days. Most of them have passed now, but at least one place is having their Black Friday tomorrow.


I tend to buy a lot online, so I was fairly surprised to see a statistic a few days ago saying that around 85% of purchases in NZ are done in person. I can see some truth to that though: we're heading into the silly season for traffic at the moment, and a lot of that is probably people doing Christmas shopping. I was part of the problem today as I went to four different places to try to find something resembling Christmas tree lights. I failed to find any (don't people want them any more?).
Well I haven’t bought anything for Christmas in 10 years so I’m doing my bit to not be part of the problem!

Sometimes people I know will be stressing over what to buy or will announce with great satisfaction that they are done. I just reply I’ve done all of mine for every year until I die!

So much less stress!
 
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Well I haven’t bought anything for Christmas in 10 years so I’m doing my bit to not be part of the problem!

Sometimes people I know will be stressing over what to buy or will announce with great satisfaction that they are done. I just reply I’ve done all of mine for every year until I die!

So much less stress!
My spouse and I stopped buying Christmas gifts for each other ages ago, as in what’s the point? We are constantly buying what we need, want, and afford thiughout the year. And honestly, if I don’t get an opportunity to specify what I want, it’s likely these days I’ll return it, because it’s not what I wanted. 😐
 
Well I haven’t bought anything for Christmas in 10 years so I’m doing my bit to not be part of the problem!

Sometimes people I know will be stressing over what to buy or will announce with great satisfaction that they are done. I just reply I’ve done all of mine for every year until I die!

So much less stress!
I buy gifts through the year to eliminate the financial end of year strain and propensity to use someone else’s money ie: credit and I put those gifts in my safe as to stop prying eyes.

Opting out is not an option for me and I would never make that choice willingly as I love giving 5thoughtful gifts to others.
 
My spouse and I stopped buying Christmas gifts for each other ages ago, as in what’s the point? We are constantly buying what we need, want, and afford thiughout the year. And honestly, if I don’t get an opportunity to specify what I want, it’s likely these days I’ll return it, because it’s not what I wanted. 😐
My parents (74 & 81) buy gifts because I think for them it allows them to participate in Christmas with their grand children. For themselves my dad usually gets my mom a piece of jewelry, dark chocolate and flowers - usually red and white roses which symbolize long term love, commitment and passion which I think is important for many women regardless of age and what they might say. As retired people though they focused mostly on shared experiences like going places to bird watch together. My dad is slowing down and I will be helping him (if he needs it) with that trio of gifts he gets for mom. Oh yeah he always gets her a card too. Sometimes a very gushy sentimental card and sometimes a funny one poking at age. We’ll get that too.
 
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My spouse and I stopped buying Christmas gifts for each other ages ago, as in what’s the point? We are constantly buying what we need, want, and afford thiughout the year. And honestly, if I don’t get an opportunity to specify what I want, it’s likely these days I’ll return it, because it’s not what I wanted. 😐
Agreed.
 
I buy gifts through the year to eliminate the financial end of year strain and propensity to use someone else’s money ie: credit and I put those gifts in my safe as to stop prying eyes.

Opting out is not an option for me and I would never make that choice willingly as I love giving 5thoughtful gifts to others.
We’ve not celebrated (or acknowledged Christmas) in a long time. Really reduces the stress (not that that is the reason).
 
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My parents (74 & 81) buy gifts because I think for them it allows them to participate in Christmas with their grand children. For themselves my dad usually gets my mom a piece of jewelry, dark chocolate and flowers - usually red and white roses which symbolize long term love, commitment and passion which I think is important for many women regardless of age and what they might say. As retired people though they focused mostly on shared experiences like going places to bird watch together. My dad is slowing down and I will be helping him (if he needs it) with that trio of gifts he gets for mom. Oh yeah he always gets her a card too. Sometimes a very gushy sentimental card and sometimes a funny one poking at age. We’ll get that too.
True story. I’ve been married for 27 years and I’ve never bought Mrs AFB flowers. She doesn’t like cut flowers.
 
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True story. I’ve been married for 27 years and I’ve never bought Mrs AFB flowers. She doesn’t like cut flowers.
My mother (who was a superb gardener and had the proverbial green fingers) also loathed cut flowers as a gift.

As do I, and most of my close female friends

They had to be tended (more work for the recipient), never lasted long, and all too depressingly often represented a stunning lack of imagination (and knowledge of the personal preferences of the recipient) on the part of the person who initially gave the gift.
 
True story. I’ve been married for 27 years and I’ve never bought Mrs AFB flowers. She doesn’t like cut flowers.

Truthfully I don’t think I’ve ever met a woman that does not like cut flowers or receiving them. I grow oodles of flowers (sadly my mums just got a big snow last night so are not in good shape) in my back yard garden specifically for cut flowers for my wife(our home) and to gift to her friends on their special days as an act of kindness, acknowledgement etc.

It takes all kinds I suppose. I will ask her if she knows anyone who actually dislikes the gift of cut flowers as well. I won’t stop giving them of course :) but it is quite the curiosity to me. Interpreting the kind act of taking the time out of one’s day to think of and create a gift for another as somehow a social faux pas - I do not get this but you guys do you I guess :D
 
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maybe if you live in the middle of nowhere and can't get fresh, otherwise it tastes vile and is designed for doomsday hoarders.
I distributed milk for years and the best tasting organic milks on the grocer refer shelf were 99% of the time UHT, so unless you have a cow in your closet or have a local cream top option, OG UHT is the best you’re going to get in terms of flavor and shelf life.
 
I distributed milk for years and the best tasting organic milks on the grocer refer shelf were 99% of the time UHT, so unless you have a cow in your closet or have a local cream top option, OG UHT is the best you’re going to get in terms of flavor and shelf life.

yeah no, I buy my milk from the fridge, where's it's meant to be, not off the shelf, unless you're confusing UHT with pasteurised.
 
yeah no, I buy my milk from the fridge, where's it's meant to be, not off the shelf, unless you're confusing UHT with pasteurised.
UHT can be and is more often than not refrigerated in the US. I don’t know where you are located but here in the states, all the major organic milk producers have transitioned to UHT from HTST because of the two noted improvements I stated earlier:

1.) flavor.
2.) shelf life after sell by.
 
UHT can be and is more often than not refrigerated in the US. I don’t know where you are located but here in the states, all the major organic milk producers have transitioned to UHT from HTST because of the two noted improvements I stated earlier:

1.) flavor.
2.) shelf life after sell by.

most things can be refrigerated even if they don't need to be, like UHT milk, which can sit unrefrigerated at room temperature for months on end if unopened, unless you're somewhere in the tropics maybe, as opposed to going off after a week in the fridge if simply pasteurised.

I have no idea why organic (whatever that is in the states) milk producers especially would favour UHT process, which adds nothing nutrition or flavour wise, but if true, it just sounds like they're saving on storage costs.
 
Remember when Black Friday was a big deal? Do you remember standing outside the store at 4am to get the Big Deal, and then CyberMonday, oooo. Now it’s just one of the multitude of sales. I bought a bathroom cabinet at Lowes and got a whole 10% off!!! 😐
No I have never done that, and I continue to refuse to participate in the annual retail frenzy.

We don't have true capitalism in this country. If we did we'd be much better off.
 
n regards to milk, the higher the fat content, the longer shelf life you will get beyond the sell by date. The low fat/skim options concentrate the water and lactose (the medium bacteria live in and the food they eat) which shortens shelf life. I also buy UHT products which dramatically extends shelf life as well.
I find the opposite to be true. It's the fat that goes rancid first. Skimmed milk is all we have in our household and even fresh stuff keeps for a couple of weeks. That never happens with full fat.
 
I find the opposite to be true. It's the fat that goes rancid first. Skimmed milk is all we have in our household and even fresh stuff keeps for a couple of weeks. That never happens with full fat.
Ppasteurization & filtration methods are likely the most influential in extending shelf life & quality although my own belief & experience is that fat content protects the proteins/casein in dairy & slows spoilage. Bacteria consumes lactose (the sugar) thus spoils first. This is why heavy cream for example has a much longer shelf life than skim. Simply put, the butter fat retards bacterial growth. Regardless, If we are both experiencing longer shelf life in our dairy, likely it is due to the shared commercial production process advancements like UHT & filtration that both skim, whole & creams now go through which improves stability & flavor across the board when exposed to inconsistent temperature controls via handling. Our own preferences/biases are then attributing that improved shelf life & quality to the dairy type we buy - perhaps incorrectly so.
 
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