The Last Ship (TNT- Spoilers)

[quagmire]

A waste? The Iowa class BB was the most powerful surface warship in naval maritime history. Getting rid of them was a waste. And dude, they fought in Desert Shield/Storm. Which was in the early 90s.

The Yamato class would like a word with you unless you're using the 80's refit versions.

Yes the Iowa's operated in the early 90's, but they were 80's era tech fitted onto 1940's infrastructure. I wouldn't call the USS Nimitz a 21st century aircraft carrier just because it is still in commission. It's a 70's carrier.

Yes, the Kirov is a tough beast, but with a barrage of SM-2/SM-3 Block 3 missiles and who knows how many Harpoons coming at you, you ain't getting them all. And like I said before, the Russians basically have no quality at sea fire party or damage control capabilities.

And you can say the same thing about the Iowa's if you missile spammed it as well especially considering its CWIS was hardly up to snuff with its blind spots, etc.

And as G5 said, it might not sink the Iowa's necessarily, but it will knock it out of the action and probably better/cheaper to scrap them then to repair it.

 

[sk1wbw]

The Yamato class would like a word with you unless you're using the 80's refit versions.

Yes the Iowa's operated in the early 90's, but they were 80's era tech fitted onto 1940's infrastructure. I wouldn't call the USS Nimitz a 21st century aircraft carrier just because it is still in commission. It's a 70's carrier.



And you can say the same thing about the Iowa's if you missile spammed it as well especially considering its CWIS was hardly up to snuff with its blind spots, etc.

And as G5 said, it might not sink the Iowa's necessarily, but it will knock it out of the action and probably better/cheaper to scrap them then to repair it.

The BB had FOUR CIWS mounts. FOUR.

 

[quagmire]

The BB had FOUR CIWS mounts. FOUR.

And only two would be effective due to the blind spots from their own infrastructure.

 

[G51989]

A waste? The Iowa class BB was the most powerful surface warship in naval maritime history.

Uh.

No.

As far as carriers go, Carriers are the most powerful surface ship.

Outside of the US of A, the best carrier is the french carrier

As far as non carriers go?

That would be the Kirov

Followed by 3rd Generation Burkes

And the French/Italian Horizon

nd dude, they fought in Desert Shield/Storm. Which was in the early 90s.

They sat on shore firing off a few rounds at close range targets and firing off some hawks for the news.

I really don't think you know what in the **** you're talking about. Seriously.

I've only worked for the navy as a contractor and a maintenance engineer both with Boeing and NewPort news....What the hell would I know

Yes, the Kirov is a tough beast, but with a barrage of SM-2/SM-3 Block 3 missiles and who knows how many Harpoons coming at you, you ain't getting them all. And like I said before, the Russians basically have no quality at sea fire party or damage control capabilities.
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If we are talking 1V1, the Iowa will be at the bottom of of the Ocean., its CWIS isn't capable of defeating the Hawks and Harpoons.

The Iowa would be limited to Harpoons, which will be outranged by the Kirovs Nuclear tipped ASMs

 

[Don't panic]

LOL, now i want to watch the show

 

[S.B.G]

LOL, now i want to watch the show

I'm watching yesterday's episode right now. Good so far.

 

[Plutonius]

I'm watching yesterday's episode right now. Good so far.

I didn't care for yesterday's episode. I want more of the action of episodes 2 and 3 .

 

[S.B.G]

I didn't care for yesterday's episode. I want more of the action of episodes 2 and 3 .

Agreed; it wasn't as action packed at all. I figure they would have to deal with a power failure at some point during the show.

Though, I'm not fully convinced that the 3 chutes they deployed to pull the ship and turn the screw would really work.

 

[sk1wbw]

An aircraft carrier isn't the most powerful surface warship, as it's offense is limited to unrefueled combat radius of the aircraft. The BB had a unmanned unrefueled combat threat radius of about 2000 nm due to the TLAM, which can be nuke, or "special weapon". And I was actual active duty for 20 years, not a civilian contractor.

Edit for the civilians who are contractors: The BB had TLAMS. Greater than 300 nm mile radius.

 

[Plutonius]

Agreed; it wasn't as action packed at all. I figure they would have to deal with a power failure at some point during the show.

Though, I'm not fully convinced that the 3 chutes they deployed to pull the ship and turn the screw would really work.

That episode did seem to strain credulity . They maybe should think about heading to the nearest navy yard and pick up some spares.

The BB had TLAMS. Greater than 300 nm mile radius.

The TLAMS are subsonic and think he was implying that they are not a factor since the Kirov would shoot them down.

 

[Huntn]

Agreed; it wasn't as action packed at all. I figure they would have to deal with a power failure at some point during the show.

Though, I'm not fully convinced that the 3 chutes they deployed to pull the ship and turn the screw would really work.

I did not mind at all (less action in this episode). More character development is a good thing.

When I saw those sails go up, I had to wonder if this was something real or someone's good imagination? Google did not save me. If the screws were connected to non-running engines, don't see them turning at all, and wondered if they would turn in the right direction, and if they would turn fast enough to run any equipment, but not through the engines. I think you said it best.

 

[Don't panic]

I did not mind at all (less action in this episode). More character development is a good thing.

When I saw those sails go up, I had to wonder if this was something real or someone's good imagination? Google did not save me. If the screws were connected to non-running engines, don't see them turning at all, and wondered if they would turn in the right direction, and if they would turn fast enough to run any equipment, but not through the engines. I think you said it best.

ok, i watched it. not bad.
now when they cancel the show without story resolution, i will blame you guys

there was a report a few years ago that large cargo ships were going to start using parasails (basically like those shown on the show) on certain parts of their routes to help with fuel. IIRC the projected savings were very substantial.

As the ship moves, the propeller should start running "reverse". but in ships they can move both directions (depending on gear situations) and they do generate electricity that way. i think that part is credible.

where i have some doubts is the "lab" part. i seriously doubt that however good she is she can set up a lab starting from material scavenged from a military hospital without research facility. not to mention the sequencing bit.
but when it comes to science/biology/medical research i am willing to pretend that what they show is acceptable, otherwise no show would be watchable to me

edit:
found it:

http://io9.com/376607/gigantic-cargo-sailboats-to-replace-oil-guzzling-cargo-fleets

 

[S.B.G]

I just found that my DVR had recorded the pilot episode, which I missed. So I'm watching it now.

 

[mscriv]

I didn't think the latest episode was that good... meh. I realize they have to generate conflict for each episode so there are going to be various sub plots, but the jungle dictator thing just wasn't that entertaining to me.

 

[Plutonius]

I must have missed something but I couldn't figure out how the river/stream protected the uninfected from the infected. Does the disease causes the infected to forget how to swim at night ? I thought this episode was better than the last one but it wasn't very good. The previews for the next episode look interesting.

 

[S.B.G]

I must have missed something but I couldn't figure out how the river/stream protected the uninfected from the infected. Does the disease causes the infected to forget how to swim at night ? I thought this episode was better than the last one but it wasn't very good. The previews for the next episode look interesting.

I just assume that it's implied that the virus is airborne and contracted when in close proximity of infected persons.

 

[Plutonius]

I just assume that it's implied that the virus is airborne and contracted when in close proximity of infected persons.

Yep, but what was to prevent a person that they exiled to the other side of the river/stream from swimming back at night (and maybe bringing back the virus) ?

 

[S.B.G]

Yep, but what was to prevent a person that they exiled to the other side of the river/stream from swimming back at night (and maybe bringing back the virus) ?

It think the guards and the firearms were the prevention method.

 

[Plutonius]

It think the guards and the firearms were the prevention method.

That's why they would swim across at night.

 

[S.B.G]

That's why they would swim across at night.

Would you expect the guards to go to sleep at night? I suppose if I were an infected person, with no combat training of any sort, that I might not try to breach their perimeter.

 

[Plutonius]

Would you expect the guards to go to sleep at night? I suppose if I were an infected person, with no combat training of any sort, that I might not try to breach their perimeter.

They would be trying to guard at night but how many miles of the river / stream can they cover ?

 

[S.B.G]

They would be trying to guard at night but how many miles of the river / stream can they cover ?

Certainly they cannot cover it all. But I think the threat posed would be sufficient for deterrence.

 

[Don't panic]

if we go into this sort of details, it all crumbles down.
i think you need to give the show a large amount of leeway and just suspend belief to a high degree. there is a lot of aspects that are not realistic

 

[Plutonius]

if we go into this sort of details, it all crumbles down.
i think you need to give the show a large amount of leeway and just suspend belief to a high degree. there is a lot of aspects that are not realistic

I agree but the way they are handling the virus is pretty weak. They could take a page from "The Walking Dead" and put in more terror and suspense.

 

[ucfgrad93]

Just caught up with this show last night. So far, I am enjoying it.