It’s ridiculous that installing more storage would void your warranty. Imagine if Apple tried to pull that when they were using hard drives
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The Mac mini 2024 actually has socketed SSD
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Installing a hard drive yourself would void your warranty for much of the Intel Macs.
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The 512 GB M4 Mac mini is faster than both though.
I didn't understand your post, but there is no CrystalDiskMark on macOS. However, on macOS, an app with an identical interface is available, called AmorphousDiskMark.
Speeds of 7000+ are common with PCIe gen 4 x 4 drives, while PCIe gen 5 x 4 drives can go much, much faster than that. I might expect the Mac Studio to exceed 7000+ MB/s next year.
Hard drives on Intel laptops were not user-replaceable. It I remember correctly, replacing them did void your warranty.
At the same time, the HDDs Apple used werent your standard models either. They came with improved shock protection and custom firmware that featured better data integrity protection. Same is true for Apple SSDs by the way. They guarantee correct data flush, which means your data don’t be corrupted on power loss for certain applications. Not all third-party drives offer this guarantee because it’s bad for benchmarks.
Doesn’t excuse the fact if apples going to have non soldered storage, there’s no reason for them to lock it down. They boast about the carbon neutral stuff but still resist right to repair. Fingers crossed the EU goes after them for this
I don’t see how it violates right to repair. Bring it to a service center and they’ll repair it.
That depended on the model. I did it to mine '06 MBP, and it was quite easy. Heck, I even added a second drive to it, instead of the DVD drive.
Yes, it was easy to replace, but it was not user-replaceable according to Apple.
Yeah that’s not exactly what the right to repair argument is about.
My hunch is that non-soldered storage is becoming a thing with Apple because I’ve long argued that personal storage should not be permanently soldered to an entire unit.
To me it’s been the strongest argument against Apple and how they build laptops.
Phones too for that matter.
What does right to repair mean to you precisely?
That is fair. This is why it’s important to have different companies that make different products.
Well maybe, just maybe, Apple will offer upgrades since this is upgradable. Yes, for a price of course.
It literally means what it says on the tin. You should be able to replace this stuff yourself. You can’t, you have to go to Apple
So right to repair means being able to repair stuff yourself at home? Where do you draw the line at what you should be able or not able to repair? Like, do you have the right to repair a broken CPU at home? A broken LiPo battery?
BTW, I’m quite sure that you can replace it at home. Doesn’t Apple have these repair programs where they give you manuals and tools, and you can install parts yourself? Maybe it’s not available for the new Macs yet.
P.S. Here is the list of orderable parts, I suppose they will appear in the self-repair shop soon https://support.apple.com/en-us/121008
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Alternatively, the socketed SSD chips are not about repairability at all. Why need to make the SSD easier to repair? SSD are highly reliable components (unlike HDD). And the socketed SSD are buried moderately deep into the assembly, making their replacement require a signficant amount of disassembly.
Perhaps having socketed SSD is about improving the efficiency of the assembly process [at the factory]. Limiting the variety of motherboard that need to be manufactored. Making the configuration of the SSD drive part of the assembly process instead of part of the motherboard fabrication process.
Perhaps having socketed SSD is about improving the efficiency of the assembly process [at the factory]. Limiting the variety of motherboard that need to be manufactored. Making the configuration of the SSD drive part of the assembly process instead of part of the motherboard fabrication process.
Incorrect. The hard drive is user replaceable, and Apple actually put it in the user manual about how to replace the hard drive. The warranty is only voided for the hard drive.
Bc dm
from a DIY perspective do you believe there is anything you can do to reduce any of these issues? Not looking for miracles just small things that you would try?
Yes. Exactly. And direct from Apple is nice, but they will likely charge more than anywhere else which defeats the purpose in the first place, there’s no reason for them to use proprietary parts other than forcing you to pay more through them.
So right to repair for you means mandating that manufacturers use user-replaceable industry-compatible parts? Who decides which parts are these and how is compatibility checked? Where do you set the boundary? Would your interpretation of right to repair for example preclude the use of Apple Silicon or their high-bandwidth memory modules since these are proprietary components without industry standards?
The functionality is different. Usual SSDs come equipped with a controller. Apple includes the controller on-chip. There are good reasons to do so, for example this gives you the ability to use system RAM as a controller cache. Apple SSDs also come with atomic data flush guarantees and a data loss prevention mechanism in case of power interruption. You are saying that all this should be made illegal under right to repair?
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