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In this one unique case, they brought back a lower spec device to maintain an existing price point ($799) and this could catch some folks off guard.
OMG that’s so sinister. 😱😱

This will common going forward. Instead of raising prices, some manufacturers will reduce storage, ram or use lower speed components.

I think the plans for Apple intelligence will be reconsidered. Local AI is ram intensive. But it’s ulikely that Apple will have the quantity of ram to supply all new iPhones with 12-16GB ram. Alternatively consumers won’t be able to stomach the prices.

As a result Apple will need to keep ram suppressed in ipad and iPhones.
 
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As much as I don't like seeing the price increases, we all knew it was coming. It's not just the cost of RAM chips that has skyrocketed, the prices for NAND chips for storage is still higher than they were 7-8 months ago.

The high prices are effecting everyone and not just Apple.

2TB NVME drives that I bought for $109 last year are now $309. The 64 GB SODIMM kit I bought for $190 last year is now $740. That RAM kit was as high as $900 a few months ago.

The cheapest Dell Pro Micro with AMD Ryzen 5 8500, 16GB RAM and 256 GB of storage is $865. The cheapest HP Mini with Intel Core Ultra 5 235T, 16 GB of RAM and 256GB of storage is $1160. Cheap mini pc's on Amazon with the N95 or N150, are around $300.
 
The tech companies decided to orchestrate a shortage, and now they blame each other for it.
I'm a great believer in Hanlon's Razor (never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence) but it is interesting that this is making it much more expensive (in real, fungible money) for people who want lots of RAM and storage to run local AI rather than buying services from these shiny new data centres (who presumably pay using money that might exist in the future).

However, when this starts impacting machines like the Neo, I wonder how they expect people to afford basic computers with which to "enjoy" those services.
 
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New CEO New Prices 🙁
He's not even in the Executive Suite yet - this is Tim's parting 'gift' to us all that the new CEO will have on his ledger.
This assuming the new guy doesn't further crank the prices of new product in September and beyond - which might be justified if the products for then are being built now under the new memory availability constraints.

But to spike prices on products that may have been built months ago - that's on Tim.
 
How was it orchestrated?
Nermal: Indeed. Unlike the "natural" chip shortages half a decade ago, there hasn't been an earthquake or anything else to trigger this one. The tech companies decided to orchestrate a shortage, and now they blame each other for it.

i can't speak for Nermal, but i read the post as the tech companies like Western Digital and other memory drive manufactures do not even sell physical storage this year unless the drive is a 7200 spinner.
as far as blaming, they wont say or announce anything this year.
while the bigger companies like NVDIA and AMDl dropped 5% this mid June according to serval websites and searches.

Also not too many younger people are really buying or using person laptops like ten years ago.
i asked about to many 20 year olds (who work were i shop) what they used for computing, and most say their Phone.

well i was supposed to planned on a purchase a DELL or ASUS notebook this week,
but stoped since i wont REALLY over pay for storage, ($400 in some cases)
and my MBA m1 Monterey seems to perform everything i need

seems to me that  has better value option on their laptops that the PC premiere laptop manufactures.

who knows when the prices of digital memory will return to 2023 prices, these companies don't know either.
 
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yeah, basically, the past couple months of apple's repuatation being the 'better value' is now crumbling in real time. i'm predicting that Q3 2026 sales will see a massive slump in profits. This is the new age pre-M3 pricing models now.
they may lose the reputation, but only because the media is very loud about apple's price increases and rather quiet about all the dell, Lenovo, hp, etc. price increases. They're still better value because all of the competition has also raised prices in the last few months.
 
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He's not even in the Executive Suite yet - this is Tim's parting 'gift' to us all that the new CEO will have on his ledger.
This assuming the new guy doesn't further crank the prices of new product in September and beyond - which might be justified if the products for then are being built now under the new memory availability constraints.

But to spike prices on products that may have been built months ago - that's on Tim.
Apple generally doesn't build products and store them for months. Under Cook they went from "huge inventory in storage" to Just In Time inventory. When you click "order" on the website, the machine gets built for you. Only just before launching a new product do they build up some inventory.
 
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Yeah I noticed that also.

What a cynical and calculated move this was over the last few months.

They purposely removed the 16/256 model and raised the entry price to $799, and we're all thinking "well at least you get 512GB SSD now"

... and they very quietly reverted to a 16/256 model at $799

I mean ... just some sneaky cynical stuff from Apple here.

Really gives me a gross feeling.

You realise that anyone who mistakenly buys it can return it no questions asked?
 
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Forcing a massive shift to AI and data centers that most of us never asked for. Then those same companies drive up hardware pricing because of a shortage of hardware of their own making. Then shoving AI on us, on their ever-more expensive hardware.
I wouldn't say that was orchestrated but the natural forces of how the market works, where one customer is willing to pay more then another.
 
New entry for the apple dictionary, apple lottery (noun): buying the top SKU of an apple product before the price increase.
Im pretty sure the Apple lottery is already a thing, or how is/was it called buying the same device as someone else but having QC issues and different components from different manufacturers performing differently?
 
You can punish Apple by depriving them of your money. It's literally in your hands to stop buying ANYTHING from them.
Yeah, sure.
I wonder what the oldest “vote with your wallet” comment on MacRumors is and how well it aged.
Probably a whole lot better than any time it was said after the iPhone 5c got discontinued.
I think people tell this to themselves nowadays just to feel better. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense skipping this and buying into the next cycle solely to “punish” the company you buy from anyway.
Yes, users shouldn’t buy what they aren’t comfortable with. No, Apple’s bottom line and product strategy doesn’t change the way users expect them to, we know that now.
 
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The question is will the prices go back down after the AI bubble bursts in 2027/2028?
Not to pre-bubble levels, I suspect. This bump will give inflation a chance to catch up with consumer electronics. it’s incredible that the “dollar price” of a half-decent personal computer hasn’t changed significantly in 40+ years, while the specs of a “half-decent personal computer” have increased exponentially. There are explanations for that, of course - a rapidly expanding market and economies of scale from mass production- but that’s been petering out* over the last decade or so as technology passes the “good enough” threshold and the market starts to get saturated. It’s not the end of progress, but it might be the end of the booming, zero-inflation on ever-increasing specs era.

* I’m writing this on a ~10 year-old iPad Pro. It’s getting to end-of-life, isn’t getting the latest OS and Safari chokes up after 10mins of Facebook (nothing of value lost there) but it can still do email, stream high-def video and do everything it could 10 years ago, except where software support has deliberately been cut. A new iPad would be nice… but the improvements on offer are strictly incremental… and far less attractive than my iPP was c.f the iPad 3 I had before, or the original iPad before that. In (say) the mid 1990s, a 10 year-old computer (let alone anything mobile) would have been a museum piece, maybe not even up to running a GUI. In the 1980s, a 2 year-old computer was a doorstop… Seven years separate the Apple II from the Mac… we’re already 6 years on from the M1 Mini/MBA… So, yeah, progress (and, more importantly, the rate of natural obsolescence to drive sales) has slowed.
 
Yeah, sure.
I wonder what the oldest “vote with your wallet” comment on MacRumors is and how well it aged.
Probably a whole lot better than any time it was said after the iPhone 5c got discontinued.
I think people tell this to themselves nowadays just to feel better. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense skipping this and buying into the next cycle solely to “punish” the company you buy from anyway.
Yes, users shouldn’t buy what they aren’t comfortable with. No, Apple’s bottom line and product strategy doesn’t change the way users expect them to, we know that now.
Voting with your wallet is the main (and probably the only) control a consumer has. And it is extremely powerful when consumers all vote together. A vote though is not a guarantee to get your way, it's merely one vote, and the majority (usually) wins. That's what happened with Apple reversing their stance on small phones and making the 6 Plus, and with iPhones steadily getting larger ever since. Personally I voted for small phones for as long as I could, but the majority won and now we have all large phones. If you voted with your wallet and didn't get what you wanted, it's likely because you were in the minority. There are other powers at play, but if enough people vote a certain way, even those powers are usually overcome.
I always encourage people to vote according to their convictions, but in this case, rather than buying a competitor product, that probably means not buying anything since these price increases are industry-wide. If enough people do this, it might mean the industry will take a big dip.
 
how is it a surprise though? the mini base model was removed in favor of the model above it at 950, now it's back in stock and it starts at 950. that's the whole point, otherwise things wouldn't have been different than it was 3 months ago
 
I always encourage people to vote according to their convictions, but in this case, rather than buying a competitor product, that probably means not buying anything since these price increases are industry-wide. If enough people do this, it might mean the industry will take a big dip.
I think that in this situation "voting with your feet" means not engaging with AI services, which are the cause of the immediate problem (although, as I've posted earlier, I think inflation was about to catch up the IT industry anywar, but it didn't have to be such a big bang).

Unfortunately, that's an uphill struggle because the industry has been actively pushing it on everybody, and convincing employers to push it on employees... and the effect (be it unintended or conspiracy) of price rised making self-hosted AI less affordable. Not to mention all the MacRumorees who were clamouring for more AI products from Apple...
 
Apple generally doesn't build products and store them for months. Under Cook they went from "huge inventory in storage" to Just In Time inventory. When you click "order" on the website, the machine gets built for you. Only just before launching a new product do they build up some inventory.
Well, they are hardly handcrafted for each individual order - and available stock of products at places like Amazon and Best Buy (when Apple said they had none left) for weeks prior - and at original prices (if not less) - certainly suggests the stuff was not built the day the spike in prices were announced.

Available product, as found at retail and immediately available should not be subject to a price spike based on current supply-chain issues or costs. Products built now and over next couple of months for September release might be afforded that excuse.

Meanwhile, if Apple intentionally held back their 256 Mini with an eye to make it look like an affordable option now, then they should be penalized by the consumer.
 
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Well, they are hardly handcrafted for each individual order - and available stock of products at places like Amazon and Best Buy (when Apple said they had none left) for weeks prior - and at original prices (if not less) - certainly suggests the stuff was not built the day the spike in prices were announced.

Available product, as found at retail and immediately available should not be subject to a price spike based on current supply-chain issues or costs. Products built now and over next couple of months for September release might be afforded that excuse.

Meanwhile, if Apple intentionally held back their 256 Mini with an eye to make it look like an affordable option now, then they should be penalized by the consumer.
Given how they talked on the investor talks after results about the problem of higher cost RAM and storage for several quarters now, I also doubt they raised prices the minute their costs increased. They are the last of the big computer makers to raise prices.
 
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Voting with your wallet is the main (and probably the only) control a consumer has. And it is extremely powerful when consumers all vote together. A vote though is not a guarantee to get your way, it's merely one vote, and the majority (usually) wins. That's what happened with Apple reversing their stance on small phones and making the 6 Plus, and with iPhones steadily getting larger ever since. Personally I voted for small phones for as long as I could, but the majority won and now we have all large phones. If you voted with your wallet and didn't get what you wanted, it's likely because you were in the minority. There are other powers at play, but if enough people vote a certain way, even those powers are usually overcome.
I always encourage people to vote according to their convictions, but in this case, rather than buying a competitor product, that probably means not buying anything since these price increases are industry-wide. If enough people do this, it might mean the industry will take a big dip.
Exactly. The majority and market trends dictate what products get released when.
“Voting with your wallet is the main (and probably the only) control a consumer has. And it is extremely powerful when consumers all vote together.” you are contradicting yourself.
Communication is how you make a difference. Writing in forums and publicly conversing with others, that’s how you get attention. Not by skipping a refresh cycle.
You can even write a letter to anyone at the Apple Campus, even that lands you more than not buying something right now.
Apple reacts to market trends and public opinions, not individuals skipping a release.
Apple bows down to public scrutiny and market devaluation, not people posting a transaction.
 
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