The macbook "PRO" should have more ports

[JamesRide]

Well... USB-C to MiniDP -> something else should work... At least I hope so, I want to reuse my current dongles.

Good luck
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Forgetting your tools to do your job is not a bug, its a flaw in your preparation.

When you got up on stage and couldn't do your job, who looked foolish? Apple? The organizer? No, it was you. Who's on a forum complaining about not being able to do your job? Who could have prevented all of this from the get go? Notice how all these answers are "you"?

Its your responsibility to do your job. You willingly bought a computer with less ports than you needed. Apple didn't make you buy it but they did make available the tools to continue to do your job, you just chose not to acquire them prior to your presentation.

Youre mad at everyone else except the person who caused this situation from the moment they bought a new computer, you.

If you were one of my sales guys, this situation would have gotten you fired.

Except, I know and I said so before and i'm not talking about me. I'm talking about apple putting one extra port on their pro machines to have 90% less burns for pro's. You're confused... The bugs and forgetting/human-factor are two different things and wear/tear is a third.

 

[iGobbleoff]

So I have to buy and carry every type-c adaptor on the market plus cables and maybe even my own projector and all the hardware to install it on the ceiling. So I have to be there like 2hours before hand just in case... with my super portable macbook pro. Cool

Now you're just being ridiculous. I have a MSI GT73VR for work presentations, it has HDMI, mini displayport, and USB-C on the back for video, so I have three choices. In my work bag I carry a HDMI cable, and a mini displayport to VGA adapter (plus a plethora of other charging cables for other devices) and this toolkit goes with me everywhere. Sure its a pain to carry but it is what it is.

Remember this saying: Look out for #1, don't step in #2

No one else is going to look after you in this world so you have to do it yourself.

So at the end of the day, no one else is to blame except for _______ (fill in the gap)

 

[Wingzfan61]

Good luck
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Except, I know and I said so before and i'm not talking about me. I'm talking about apple putting one extra port on their pro machines to have 90% less burns for pro's. You're confused... The bugs and forgetting/human-factor are two different things and wear/tear is a third.

What bugs have you experienced with the USB-C ports that led to youre lack of preparation? What wear and tear have you experienced that led to your lack of preparation? What wear and tear do you expect from a port that is proven more durable than a USB-A port?

You bought the computer knowing what it had. You didnt bring what you needed. You want to blame everyone for your problem except you, the person who caused your problem. Apple did not make you buy anything. They did not make you unprepared for your job. You did that all on your own.

Personal accountability seems to be what youre missing here, not a port or adapter.

You looked foolish for not having what you needed. Im sure its not the first time and wont be the last. Go buy the adapter and move on.

 

[smallcoffee]

I just got the type-c shaft up the wazoo at a major convention and I'm very angry.

The organizers being what they usually are, didn't have the HDMI cable I asked for 3weeks before my presentation and that they said in writing that they would have and that I shouldn't worry. They searched and found a VGA adaptor for mini display... Nice.

So I was forced to export a pdf from keynote and transfer my video files with a usb stick on a pc dinosaur with VGA while a large audience waited. Then I had to manually go and find the videos every time during the presentation. The cherry on the top was the lack of sound for some reason. Exporting to powerpoint wasn't going to happen.

Yes, they are unorganized at conventions and yes I know about Murphy's law so I should stay away from a pro model with no freakin ports.

...but can we have some ports please? Why is it still called a macbook PRO? Put some ports on the damn thing.

That's on the organizers.

And you don't need more ports. Everybody needs to be on USB-C.

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

You mentioned that they didn't have a projector with HDMI and only VGA, so you would need a like 10 year old laptop to have this port option anyway?

As others have noted, always carry what you need, never rely on anybody else.

 

[Ries]

That's on the organizers.

And you don't need more ports. Everybody needs to be on USB-C.

Maybe it is just redicilous to make an all USB-C only laptop, when the market is still 99.999% everything else. But it is the perferct time, if you want to sell overly expensive adaptors with extreme margins.

 

[JamesRide]

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What bugs have you experienced with the USB-C ports that led to youre lack of preparation? What wear and tear have you experienced that led to your lack of preparation? What wear and tear do you expect from a port that is proven more durable than a USB-A port?

You bought the computer knowing what it had. You didnt bring what you needed. You want to blame everyone for your problem except you, the person who caused your problem. Apple did not make you buy anything. They did not make you unprepared for your job. You did that all on your own.

Personal accountability seems to be what youre missing here, not a port or adapter.

You looked foolish for not having what you needed. Im sure its not the first time and wont be the last. Go buy the adapter and move on.

Except once again, you're not answering to anything I've written. More straw man and more sucking the same thumb. But ok, I've had plenty of problems with the usb-c hub (ex. reduced speed, dropped wifi) and I hear they are hit or miss. I've also had apple dongles fail on me and also see it happen a lot, and people also forget things because they are, you know, human. Once again, **** happens and if 90% of all that **** can be covered with one extra port, that is objectively a good thing, right?. So If I told you I had the adaptor and it failed two minutes into the presentation you'd tell me I should have had two of everything right? Or maybe you're going to give me the lame mustang/gas mileage example again, which is like saying the macbook PRO isn't really for pro's with keynotes.

 

[The Mercurian]

I agree with the OP.
I also agree with other people.

Fundamentally the issue here is that people don't update projectors as often as connection ports on laptops change, so generally projectors have legacy ports, and you cannot depend on organisers. Any major conference I've been at expects me to hand over slides before hand and have me review them on their system to be sure they work. To avoid compatibility issues I just never put audio/video in slides.... although I realise that depends on the material you will deliver and not everyone can avoid it. For small meetings if there is some faff about connections or transferring my slides to a windows laptop then meh I'm not so bothered. Usually at those meetings if it is not me that has a problem it's someone else as macs are common at any meeting i've been to

 

[smallcoffee]

Maybe it is just redicilous to make an all USB-C only laptop, when the market is still 99.999% everything else. But it is the perferct time, if you want to sell overly expensive adaptors with extreme margins.

Or maybe somebody has to force change. The adapters if they aren’t already will be dirt cheap.

 

[smirking]

I can only slightly sympathize, but as others have stated, if you're pro, you carry your own adapters.

I have with me at all times the following:

• 1 or more USB-B to USB-C adapters
• 1 USB-C to HDMI Adapter
• 1 Mini DisplayPort to VGA / HDMI / DVI Adapter
• 1 USB-C to Mini DisplayPort adapter

That said, I wish I had some more ports on my 2016 MBP. On the other hand, I'm lovin the added simplicity of USB-C life most of the time. It is what it is. Pros have to be good at adapting. I was already carrying adapters around before I got my 2016 MBP.
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Maybe it is just redicilous to make an all USB-C only laptop, when the market is still 99.999% everything else. But it is the perferct time, if you want to sell overly expensive adaptors with extreme margins.

I know you're just venting and exaggerating how small the USB-C market share is, but Apple's not the only one going that direction. It's actually a very big movement. Just about every major manufacturer has taken a step in that direction even if not as decisively as Apple has. And I'm saying this as someone who has some insight into the supply chain for USB-C devices.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

I HAD my own adaptor. They didn't have an HDMI cable or a projector with HDMI for that matter.


How so?

Nothing you can currently buy has a vga port it matters not whether your Mac had any other ports you would have still been shafted. It’s your responsibility to have the kit you need when you need it and your complaint applies to almost any laptop you can currently buy.

 

[JamesRide]

Nothing you can currently buy has a vga port it matters not whether your Mac had any other ports you would have still been shafted. It’s your responsibility to have the kit you need when you need it and your complaint applies to almost any laptop you can currently buy.

From what I've heard, seen and now experienced, organizers usually have the previous generation adaptor. They had a vga/minidisplay adaptor. So no, I would have been fine with a 2015 model. And it makes sense, since people ask for it over the years and/or get burnt like I did. So yes, it seems like a single extra port on the mac would help a lot.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

From what I've heard, seen and now experienced, organizers usually have the previous generation adaptor. They had a vga/minidisplay adaptor. So no, I would have been fine with a 2015 model. And it makes sense, since people ask for it over the years and/or get burnt like I did. So yes, it seems like a single extra port on the mac would help a lot.

So you wanted them to keep a thunderbolt 2 port on the latest MBP’s???

Yes I can understand an argument for a usb type A or an SD card port, I don’t agree but I understand,but really a TB 2 port, just for you?? Once in your computers lifetime. Be serious...

 

[JamesRide]

So you wanted them to keep a thunderbolt 2 port on the latest MBP’s???

Yes I can understand an argument for a usb type A or an SD card port, I don’t agree but I understand,but really a TB 2 port, just for you?? Once in your computers lifetime. Be serious...

Just for me? I don't get it. Why are you asking me that?

 

[Samuelsan2001]

Just for me? I don't get it. Why are you asking me that?

Well mainly because there were very few computers that ever had tb2, so keeping it seems a stretch when it’s been superseded by a multipurpose port with far more functionality. Mini display port hasn’t been on macs since 2010 (that’s 8 years) so yes it seems you are asking for a port just for you. One that you may well never need again at that.

 

[JamesRide]

Well mainly because there were very few computers that ever had tb2, so keeping it seems a stretch when it’s been superseded by a multipurpose port with far more functionality. Mini display port hasn’t been on macs since 2010 (that’s 8 years) so yes it seems you are asking for a port just for you. One that you may well never need again at that.

mini display is compatible with tb2... that's a lot of years. We (including organizers of events) already have a lot of expensive adaptors we can use. It's safer and cheeper for everyone, not just me. I mean... again, why just me?

 

[Ries]

Or maybe somebody has to force change. The adapters if they aren’t already will be dirt cheap.

Dirt cheap?
http://time.com/4559059/apple-dongle-accessory-usb-macbook-pro-prices/

• USB-C to USB adapter: from $19 to $9 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter: from $49 to $29 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• USB-C to Lightning cable, 1 meter: from $25 to $19
• USB-C to Lightning cable, 2 meters: from $35 to $29
• USB-C digital AV multiport adapter: from $69 to $49 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• USB-C VGA multiport adapter: from $69 to $49 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• SanDisk Extreme Pro SD UHS-II Card USB-C reader: from $49 to $29 (third-party adapter)
• Other third-party USB-C peripherals: about 25% off (third-party adapter)

Thats $255 of adapters, only counting the unquie ones. Almost as much as an iPad...

 

[Fishrrman]

Wingz asserted:
"Wear and tear on USB-C is less likely than USB-A."

Not from what I've read in this forum.
There have been several reports of "loose" USB-c ports -- connectors that wouldn't "stay in tight".
I don't recall ever seeing a post like that regarding USB-a.

 

[Queen6]

You either "fork out" for the adaptors or switch to hardware that doesn't require a plethora of dongles and adaptors. Personally this is one of the reasons I dropped the MBP as a professional tool, dongles are just solutions to problems that don't need to exist outside of specialised use, nor are they guaranteed to be reliable by any means.

I work perpetually abroad, therefore I have very less interest in carrying more than I need or complicating matters, especially solely for the sake of the aesthetic. Similar to many other providers of consumer electronics Pro just means a better spec little else, with the MPB now being a less useful tool...

Q-6

 

[smallcoffee]

Dirt cheap?
http://time.com/4559059/apple-dongle-accessory-usb-macbook-pro-prices/

• USB-C to USB adapter: from $19 to $9 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter: from $49 to $29 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• USB-C to Lightning cable, 1 meter: from $25 to $19
• USB-C to Lightning cable, 2 meters: from $35 to $29
• USB-C digital AV multiport adapter: from $69 to $49 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• USB-C VGA multiport adapter: from $69 to $49 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• SanDisk Extreme Pro SD UHS-II Card USB-C reader: from $49 to $29 (third-party adapter)
• Other third-party USB-C peripherals: about 25% off (third-party adapter)

Thats $255 of adapters, only counting the unquie ones. Almost as much as an iPad...

Lol that’s a seriously disingenuous post. You can’t just throw every possible adapter somebody might need and say “well look at how much it costs”. I don’t use SD cards or stupid Display Port for example.

So anyway, take that same list and add USB-C, an Ethernet adapter, and a few other random dongles while you’re at it.

I admit if you have a large amount of devices that use antique ports then it could be a little bit annoying, but now you just buy USB-C in the future. Change doesn’t happen all at once. I have a 2015 MacBook Pro and use only the HDMI port for a work monitor that I didn’t get to choose to buy. I had to buy an adapter for my 2016. Not a big deal. Those display ports? Wasted. USB-A? Wasted. SD? Wasted.

 

[Wingzfan61]

Wingz asserted:
"Wear and tear on USB-C is less likely than USB-A."

Not from what I've read in this forum.
There have been several reports of "loose" USB-c ports -- connectors that wouldn't "stay in tight".
I don't recall ever seeing a post like that regarding USB-a.

USB-C eliminates the need to have the connector "right side up" eliminating people trying to force it.

USB-A ports have had MANY issues with disconnects due to wear and tear. I just got rid of a 2 week old 2015 rMBP for this very reason and its how I ended up with a 2017. The right port was loose within 2 weeks of use that my drives would randomly disconnect and would not reconnect until plugging them in a dozen or so times.

And of course we all know how easily destroyed sd cards are.


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Dirt cheap?
http://time.com/4559059/apple-dongle-accessory-usb-macbook-pro-prices/

• USB-C to USB adapter: from $19 to $9 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter: from $49 to $29 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• USB-C to Lightning cable, 1 meter: from $25 to $19
• USB-C to Lightning cable, 2 meters: from $35 to $29
• USB-C digital AV multiport adapter: from $69 to $49 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• USB-C VGA multiport adapter: from $69 to $49 (buy it now at the lower price here)
• SanDisk Extreme Pro SD UHS-II Card USB-C reader: from $49 to $29 (third-party adapter)
• Other third-party USB-C peripherals: about 25% off (third-party adapter)

Thats $255 of adapters, only counting the unquie ones. Almost as much as an iPad...

If you buy all that from Best Buy lol. Who in their right mind would do that. For example, heres 2 USB-C to USB-A adapters for 7.99

https://www.amazon.com/Rankie-2-Pac...8&qid=1524495945&sr=8-6&keywords=usb-c+to+usb

 

[smirking]

If you buy all that from Best Buy lol. Who in their right mind would do that. For example, heres 2 USB-C to USB-A adapters for 7.99

To be fair to Ries, a USB-C to USB-A adapter isn't enough to give you total backwards compatibility, but I don't know what the point is in listing some of those adapters. It's not like you had every port imaginable on a 2015 MBP. You still needed to carry dongles for a 2015 if you wanted to ensure you weren't ever left embarrassed at the presentation podium.

Yeah though, my eye roll with how much people bellyache about their USB-A plugged devices not working when a $5 accessory is all you need to fix the situation. I have half a dozen like the ones you linked to. A few are in active use and the rest are stored in bags and other places in case I find I need one and forgot to bring it.
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USB-C eliminates the need to have the connector "right side up" eliminating people trying to force it.

USB-A ports have had MANY issues with disconnects due to wear and tear.

I really prefer USB-C over USB-A ports, but I have a hard time believing that USB-C is more robust than USB-A in terms of being harder to damage. I think you'd have to pretty crazy obtuse to jam a USB-A plug in so hard that it'll damage the port... not that I haven't come close to looking like such an idiot before.

 

[jeremiah256]

I've also had apple dongles fail on me and also see it happen a lot, and people also forget things because they are, you know, human.

OK, I've been using Macs since 2001, and I've had maybe one adapter die on me. I know PC users who prefer Mac adapters because they are so dependable. Even PC dongles are pretty solid and rarely fail.

I believe your experiences are way outside the norm or you are confusing dongle failure with the participants sometimes not knowing how to set up and operate their control panels.

Additional fails I see are due to software and operator error, with people trying to play videos embedded in PowerPoint, or both the host and the presenter flailing around, unable to adapt the computer's screen setup to the organizer's equipment.

 

[Dave245]

I feel that Apple are looking to the future like they always do (remember the Air?) it's just time waiting to catch up, the 12" MacBook is exactly the same and in the meantime i think this is why Apple is selling adaptors. I get that some people are going to be annoyed by it and inconvenienced but it's not like this is the first time that Apple have done things like this.

 

[537635]

I agree that OP should have been a bit more prepared. I always carry keynotes on my iPhone along with a Lightning to VGA and Lightning to HDMI adapter. With the new iPhones it is a big problem if there is no HDMI, since I'm out of options to transmit sound.

With that said in my experience technical preparation on many of these venues is appaling. It is either plain amateur stuff, something completely outdated or something way too extravagant.


Case in point:



Display port -> DVI -> DVI -> optical.

Now these guys actually supplied another HDMI->DP adapter but the setup simply didn't work with any Mac or iPhone. In the end I went to my hotel room, "borrowed" a HDMI cable, got the organizer to put a ladder to access the projector and hook up the iPhone and leave it dangling on the cable. I advanced the slides from my Apple Watch.