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The MacRumors Show: 2024 Apple Rumor Q&A
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Well my point was that never in a single year has iPhone Classic or Plus sold more than iPhone Pro or Pro Max.. except in 2017-18 when iPhone X came out, 8 Plus regularly sold over 20-25% more. And then XR beat XS Max by same margin. It wasn't until the 11 series that this trend reversed. Which is essentially my entire point of argument that upselling is a better strategy than downselling.
We'd need more data about competition, average selling price in the premium phone segment (what Samsung models were selling best during these different time periods?), and to consider the market conditions and that the X was a new device to really understand anything.
Well its the same case with Samsung, the Ultra sells a lot more than the regular and plus models. But the fold and flip are nowhere close due to their confused marketing.
But what are the historicals for that? And, when their highest end phone was first introduced how much of a design departure did it have from their entry level premium phones?
I don't think it will do the numbers to assure an annual release cycle. This will get a new full release in 2027.. and maybe a non pro headset in 2026.
I wouldn't compare it to those two, as this is probably the most adventurous product Apple has ever launched, and they can't allow it to be anything less than impressive and admirable during its early years.
It is super impressive and admirable. It’s just not something people think they need or want, yet. Remember that Apple was building a car from 2016 and then they hyped it for a few years and eventually it was all forgotten. That was a product market knew it needed. Vision Pro is like a Space Tour.. we are all excited.. we all love the idea but not sure we are actually going to go for it.
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I do see what you're saying. I'm not suggesting they'll make big changes in the first couple of years it is out, but an easy thing like dropping in the latest CPU... well, that takes very little effort, so I suspect we'll see M4 in it by the end of 2024, if only because it signals that it's an important device and not just another 'hobby' for Apple.
They don't do spec bumps on niche products. Any sensible tech company should but we have no reason to believe that Apple would, because they just don't. Apple Products that don't sell in 10s of millions each year get very little love.
But there is hope that Vision non pro model will get the latest processor when it releases, and also a $999 price tag, if Apple wants people to actually buy this in numbers.
It's not a low profile niche product, it's easily the highest profile niche (Edit, typo: originally 'nice' was written) product they've ever released. As such I beg to disagree. Either way, time will tell. If you're right and I'm wrong, a suspect they'll just give up on the concept and retire the product after 3-4 years.
Regarding a $999 non pro vision? No chance, ever.
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I never said low profile. Its a high profile but niche product. If you think it’s not niche, which group of consumers do you think it targets exactly? For Apple even the Mac Pro is a niche product.
Apple Vision will be their mass market product.
Most VR headsets are priced around $300-$500. Why exactly do you feel that Apple would create a mass market product and price it 4 times the high end price of that product market?
Apple Vision will be their mass market product.
Most VR headsets are priced around $300-$500. Why exactly do you feel that Apple would create a mass market product and price it 4 times the high end price of that product market?
Those $300-500 products are many leagues below the vision Pro. I don't think they approach Apple's required minimum standards. The Apple Vision, should it ever exist, will cost more than an iPhone Pro Max and likely more than a base MacBook Pro.
We do not know what all features the Vision would have. But still a $2,000 price point will guarantee its failure to launch a new mass selling product line for Apple. I mean even Apple Watch Ultra and iPad Pro are leagues ahead of their competition but neither is outrageously priced.
I fear a decent VR headset is currently a lot more expensive to produce than the products you mention, and Apple like their margins...
No, that's the target consumer market they operate at, but the catch with them is that they are useless without a powerful console or gaming PC. While its not fair to compare Apple Vision with current VR sets.. which are just gaming accessories, we have absolutely nothing else available in the market today for comparison. So we can just speculate at whatever data we currently have in front of us.
But the Vision Pro at $3499 is surely a super niche product that very few will actually buy. I think the Vision Pro 2 will get a decent price correction if the Vision non pro isn't here before that.
As much as I see spatial apps being shown the one thing missing from all this is the Vision Pros being of any benefit to a programer using it for programming. This is reflecting on Vision Pro truly being a substitute for a Mac.
This will just be an another OS environment where it still developed/coded on the Mac .
Example
Interacting with your app in the visionOS simulator | Apple Developer Documentation
Use your Mac to navigate spaces and control interactions with your visionOS apps in Simulator.
Interesting thought, software development on a vr headset.As much as I see spatial apps being shown the one thing missing from all this is the Vision Pros being of any benefit to a programer using it for programming. This is reflecting on Vision Pro truly being a substitute for a Mac.
This will just be an another OS environment where it still developed/coded on the Mac .
Example
Interacting with your app in the visionOS simulator | Apple Developer Documentation
Use your Mac to navigate spaces and control interactions with your visionOS apps in Simulator.developer.apple.com