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The MacRumors Show: macOS 14 Wishlist – What Do We Want to See?

bmustaf said:
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Given macos is not a revenue stream for Apple (and the profit margins on mac hardware aren't that great especially when you consider the upgrade cycle is longer typically and the opportunity cost is quite large for them to focus on it), "speaking with our dollars" and "leaving" the platform is unlikely to improve it (and there aren't many, if any, clearly better options for most users out there save for a few niches).

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upgrades to MacOS used to be a revenue stream. When they started making them free I thought it was weird. Still do.

Current MacOS runs great on machines all the way back to 2008, but it is a LOT of trouble to make that happen, and Apple is deliberately throwing monkey wrenches into that process with each new point release. They are being total jerkoffs.

Hey Apple people, are you reading this? We know some of you are. You know your goodwill is in the toilet. Want to see the biggest happy goodwill explosion for any company ever? Have the MacOS folks down in the trenches recompile to run on every Mac sold since 2008. Sell it for $100/copy. Make a fast $300mil, and keep making it, every year, with every new MacOS release version. Spring it on an unsuspecting WWDC. Enjoy the cheers, and return of the love.

Your bosses have completely lost touch. Completely. They're not in the trenches with you, they're floating around on their yachts and fancy party scene. Defy them.

Your choice Apple.
 
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Njiphoner said:
I'm intrigued. What would you like to see for the "new pointers"?
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I would like Apple to take it to a new direction, adopting iPadOS-like pointer design as it overs over interactive UI elements, and all the while making it easier to spot (without having to shake).
 
Same thing I want every year. Ability to crop videos system wide. Better UI for fine-tuning video trims—awful UI for Mac and especially so for touch. And cross-platform iMessage—so I can iMessage everyone from any Apple device using iMessage’s full feature set.
 
I hate this nu-collectivist use of “we,” as in, “What are we thinking?” It betrays a sheepish and cowardly lack of spine, agency, and self-assertion. Everything nowadays is either cloaked in appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, or both. And it sucks.
 
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It was a right decision to leave the "computer" out of their company name.
They are not a computer "only" company anymore, and haven't been for a while. We have realized that, allright. What we need to know righ now, is, are they still a computer company too? Besides the services and stuff, the revenue stuff?

Do we gett the computers too allright?
ps. sorry for the aggressive style though, I am pissed
 
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STOP the dumbing down or iOS-ficate the OS. The Control Panel with its limits on resolution and resizing is a joke on 5K monitors. And I am sorry Apple, but printers are still a big thing for me. Why have you hidden them at the bottom of the list and made the settings so convoluted???
 
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Can they clean up the keychain? So many duplicate entries there, make it so hard to find the right user/password I am looking for sometimes.
 
Aston441 said:
I would like to see Apple stop discontinuing perfectly good hardware. Offer a paid upgrade version if need be, like when Jobs was running things.
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do you mean like Mac OS X Snow Leopard, which cut off machines, some of which weren’t even a full four years old yet?
What about Mac OS X mountain lion, which also cut off computers that weren’t even four years old.
In fact, just since Apple has been releasing free upgrades, statistically machines have been supported for longer.
Mavericks, Yosemite and El Capitan kept the exact same support list, as did High Sierra from Sierra, as did Catalina from Mojave.
Yes, much like after the Intel transition, after the Apple Silicon transition, they’ve been killing off older Intel computers at a much faster rate.
But let’s not kid ourselves, the early 06 MacBook Pro officially lost support in 2011 with the release of Lion.. That’s five years.
Meanwhile, the 2007 MacBook Pro’s from just a year later received updates all the way until 2016, and security updates until 2018.
2016 is a lot newer than 2011 for just a computer that’s only a year newer.
If you don’t wanna talk Mac, we can talk iPads, the first generation was only supported from 3.2 to 5.1.
Meanwhile, the iPad Air 2 from 2014 only lost the latest upgrade… Six months ago, and is still getting security updates. That is a nine year old product still receiving security patches.
Aston441 said:
Do you really think I'm ever going to buy a single piece of Apple hardware ever again, when they might just drop it, arbitrarily next year, with no upgrade path? Can't even run linux, or whatever alt OS? Supposed to toss into the trash, instead of pass along to the younger and poorer, like we used to?
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name me a single Apple product that has came out, and then was totally abandon within a year. That’s right… You can’t.
They still support iPads from 2015, which was eight years ago.
They still support iPhones and Macs from 2017… Which was six years ago.
And absolutely no one is stopping you from putting Linux on an older Mac, or Chrome OS, or Windows.
Oh, but speaking of windows…
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Apple is the new Microsoft. Microsoft is the new Apple.
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Windows 11 and macOS Ventura came out around the same time. Windows requires an eighth generation Intel core processor or newer… Ventura requires a seventgeneration.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
do you mean like Mac OS X Snow Leopard, which cut off machines, some of which weren’t even a full four years old yet?
What about Mac OS X mountain lion, which also cut off computers that weren’t even four years old.
In fact, just since Apple has been releasing free upgrades, statistically machines have been supported for longer.
Mavericks, Yosemite and El Capitan kept the exact same support list, as did High Sierra from Sierra, as did Catalina from Mojave.
Yes, much like after the Intel transition, after the Apple Silicon transition, they’ve been killing off older Intel computers at a much faster rate.
But let’s not kid ourselves, the early 06 MacBook Pro officially lost support in 2011 with the release of Lion.. That’s five years.
Meanwhile, the 2007 MacBook Pro’s from just a year later received updates all the way until 2016, and security updates until 2018.
2016 is a lot newer than 2011 for just a computer that’s only a year newer.
If you don’t wanna talk Mac, we can talk iPads, the first generation was only supported from 3.2 to 5.1.
Meanwhile, the iPad Air 2 from 2014 only lost the latest upgrade… Six months ago, and is still getting security updates. That is a nine year old product still receiving security patches.

name me a single Apple product that has came out, and then was totally abandon within a year. That’s right… You can’t.
They still support iPads from 2015, which was eight years ago.
They still support iPhones and Macs from 2017… Which was six years ago.
And absolutely no one is stopping you from putting Linux on an older Mac, or Chrome OS, or Windows.
Oh, but speaking of windows…

Windows 11 and macOS Ventura came out around the same time. Windows requires an eighth generation Intel core processor or newer… Ventura requires a seventgeneration.
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You make good points. My point still stands: Discontinuing perfectly good hardware, that is perfectly capable of running the latest software, at excellent speed and perfect functionality, with almost zero effort in programming to make it work - and doing this ARBITRARILY, as an agressive marketing technique, makes people MAD.

Want to make money? Great, I want the company to make money: just sell the damn software!
 
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mikas said:
Aston441 said:
Apple is the new Microsoft. Microsoft is the new Apple.

And that has happened.
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Kinda. Ah I miss the two Steves. Ballmer was such a monkey and Jobs was such a genius.

While Ballmer was slowly sinking such a strong ship, Jobs actually saved a sinking ship.
 
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I would like to see stable and finished macOS 13 - yes you read that right, 13 should be finished and stable by the time 14 comes out.

The times where upgrade is really an upgrade are gone - updating to the latest day one usually brings more problems than enhancements to the overall user experience.

Before you start replying you encounter no bugs in Ventura, I am truly glad it works for you guys. There are many of us who simply are not the case and have no time to wait and pray for yet another update on their work machines to actually work as expected..
 
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kemo said:
I would like to see stable and finished macOS 13 - yes you read that right, 13 should be finished and stable by the time 14 comes out.

The times where upgrade is really an upgrade are gone - updating to the latest day one usually brings more problems than enhancements to the overall user experience.

Before you start replying you encounter no bugs in Ventura, I am truly glad it works for you guys. There are many of us who simply are not the case and have no time to wait and pray for yet another update on their work machines to actually work as expected..
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Agree a million percent. Upgrades became downgrades in iOS after 12. If I could go back to iOS 12, I would do it this second.
 
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PsykX said:
1. Stability
2. Better window management
3. There's no 3
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window management - yes please, you have no idea how irritating it is for me that in 2023 OS can’t actually remember to which desktop the app window belongs to 🤦‍♂️
 
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Aston441 said:
You make good points. My point still stands: Discontinuing perfectly good hardware, that is perfectly capable of running the latest software, at excellent speed and perfect functionality, with almost zero effort in programming to make it work - and doing this ARBITRARILY, as an agressive marketing technique, makes people MAD.

Want to make money? Great, I want the company to make money: just sell the damn software!
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First of all, Apple’s not going to sell the software because no one is going to buy the software. Sorry to say, but it’s true. We’re in 2023, not 2005, people aren’t paying for software updates.
At one time, if you had an iPod touch, you had to pay for those updates too, today, Apple would be laughed at.
As for the support list, yes, I think Apple has gotten a bit aggressive with it lately, and if all the new updates this year supported the same as last year, I think it would be a good move.
Going back to 2008 machines though? No thank you. There are so many defunct drivers and things that would have to be added in that it would quickly become bloated and messy.
The more devices an operating system has to support, the bigger the operating system has to be.
And macOS is pretty big, a blank install takes up somewhere between 20 and 30 GB. Ventura got rid of tons of machines, so it’s actually a smaller blank install than Monterey was, I don’t think Apple’s going to go backwards.
 
PsykX said:
Kinda. Ah I miss the two Steves. Ballmer was such a monkey and Jobs was such a genius.

While Ballmer was slowly sinking such a strong ship, Jobs actually saved a sinking ship.
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I don't want to say anything about of leaderships, because I don't know anything about it. Maybe you are right. I just don't like the current leadership of Apples. It's just and only money oriented leadership, I think. There is research and stuff, for sure, but the real money comes from selling it. For whatever that is to sell. You know what I mean. It's not about to be spectacular at something, but more like to Sell spectalucarly!

👍 added a thumb up for your comment, sorry for being impolite,
 
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kemo said:
updating to the latest day one usually brings more problems than enhancements to the overall user experience.
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this is pretty much every initial release of software ever, even from Steve’s Apple.
Every version (EVERY VERSION) of Mac OS X/OS X/macOS has had day one bugs.
I bring this up so frequently but I feel like I have to, snow leopard 10.6.0 and 10.6.1. Were literally deleting peoples home folders if they logged out, it was a pretty massive show stopping bug that could easilycause loss of data.
www.wired.com

Apple on Snow Leopard Bug: Help Is on the Way!

In response to widespread media coverage Monday, Apple has acknowledged a bug in its latest operating system, Snow Leopard, that involved some users losing a large amount of their data when logging into guest accounts. “We are aware of the issue, which occurs only in extremely rare cases, and we...
www.wired.com www.wired.com
 
and STABILITY to further it more..
edit. win11 is stabile. But it still reboots every so often as like what, so needed and wanted updates that is, which is strange and troublesome. And I hate it.
edit: Let's not get this behavior in to macOS 14 or what ever.
 
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Ability to control what Apple programs are visible in the Application folder. There are so many prgrams stuff in the application folder that it is useless to add to the dock.
 
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