NO.
It'll be better for everyone to support GSMA-compliant RCS, and that includes Google itself.
It'll be better for everyone to support GSMA-compliant RCS, and that includes Google itself.
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The MacRumors Show: Should Apple Allow iMessage for Android?
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That's mind blowing. I just deleted the two messages that were on my phone. I have zero MB in messages, and I keep it that way. Call logs get deleted every week or so.
Also I keep no regular emails over 90 days, business emails are kept for six months. Anything older than that that needs to be kept gets routed to a long term archive on my hard drive.
And I thought I was a packrat. I guess not.
3 billion people use WhatsApp and FB Messenger... Why would any Android user care about iMessage or the colour of bubbles? We're a strange species.
RCS is really all that matters.... a little threat from the EU and here we are.
RCS is really all that matters.... a little threat from the EU and here we are.
what about BlackBerry OS or Windows phone? or harmony OS? ....
comeon, I would rather apple stay focusing on their own platforms and fix bugs for us than fixing someone else's issues.
comeon, I would rather apple stay focusing on their own platforms and fix bugs for us than fixing someone else's issues.
Not sure what you mean by "and vice versa" in this context. Apple's own Notification servers were also be employed to notify Android devices of new messages, so that was two sets of servers being used without permission.
But Apple's primary concern was how this unauthorized access could be exploited by nefarious members of the Android community. Maybe Bleeper Mini was safe, but they were planning to open-source the code, so that means anybody could take it and build less scrupulous apps that also accessed Apple's servers. The result could have been very bad for a lot of innocent users.
The only safe way for 3rd parties to use iMessage servers were if Apple were to offer an official API, but they don't. This was unauthorized access.
I don't think any Android user does or ever has cared about the color of the bubble on an iPhone screen. They don't care because that color only shows up on the iPhones screen so the Android user literally can not see it.
It's been said ad nauseum but the issue is that the messaging experience is terrible between iPhones and Android phones. Most Android phones already have E2E encrypted RCS so Android to Android is equivalent to iMessage. Trying to bridge the two benefits everyone involved because it's not just the "other person" who gets a better experience. It's everyone on all sides, especially in group chats. Dan's co-host uses an exclusive club as an analogy when arguing against Beeper and I can't help but think that's fitting here. It's fitting because it seems too many people would prefer iMessage make them part of an exclusive club even if it's at the expense of their own dimished experience. In that case to exclude is the point.
At the end of the day Apple is pivoting towards services anyway so I can't help but think that it would be in their best interest to put as many Apple services on as many devices as possible.
I never really did care. It cuts both ways, so pertaining to this issue, and as someone who uses Android.
Bubble color is definitely part of Beeper’s marketing, though.
Per the thread title: There’s a difference between “allow” and “release iMessage for Android”. The latter would be preferable to systems like Beeper. But there’s probably little room available for iMessage as a multiplatform over-the-top service globally, so the big market for it would be the US and Canada. But I’d rather not Apple “allow” iMessage for Android, as these are all shallow hacks. It’s not like there’s a published API for others to use. And the supported use of undocumented APIs and protocols is a backwards support nightmare (ask Mac OS Classic era Apple or any era Microsoft about the difficulty of avoiding breakage when apps frequently use undocumented APIs).
I set my iMessage to auto-delete at a year, and I have to keep work emails for seven years if they are patient related.
Personal emails are dumped at a year unless they are special.
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Work emails have to be retained for 3 years for me, but my personal emails, depends on what it is. Marketing type emails, I keep only as long as I need them. I hold onto Receipts, just in case. Conversational type stuff I tend to keep indefinitely. It’s similar to how I imagine I’d handle letter writing back when that was common socially (late 19th, early 20th Centuries, basically before telephones became ubiquitous).
Would it be vaguely nice if iMessage was cross-platform? Sure.
Someone wants to try reverse-engineering their protocol? Alright.
Offering a commercial service that incurs a cost for someone else? No.
Beeper Mini's service requires freeloading on Apple's iMessage service. Unlike other chat systems (ex: AIM) that have always had third-party clients, Apple never suggested that they want to offer service to everyone.
Someone wants to try reverse-engineering their protocol? Alright.
Offering a commercial service that incurs a cost for someone else? No.
Beeper Mini's service requires freeloading on Apple's iMessage service. Unlike other chat systems (ex: AIM) that have always had third-party clients, Apple never suggested that they want to offer service to everyone.
I have 16 GB in imessage. I keep all my texts, including the media.
Same, I have over 14GB in iMessage. Storage is cheap despite the complaints about iCloud storage tiers, so I see no reason to delete anything.
I agree Beeper isn't doing it right and Apple can block it all they want -- but, assuming RCS will fix everything is just as wrong. There's no go live date with RCS, and no iron clad promise we'll get it. And until (if) we do, I wont blame any users of beeper for using their service. (just prepare to be blocked.) And btw, I think Apple has said you wont get blue bubbles even then. (Not that I care about what color bubble it is.)
Apple is the bag guy to me in withholding iMessage from other platforms. It really works well and I'd like to have that on my android phone, just like I have it on my iphone.
I use Airmessage for iMessage on android, but that's not all that optimal.
Apple is the bag guy to me in withholding iMessage from other platforms. It really works well and I'd like to have that on my android phone, just like I have it on my iphone.
I use Airmessage for iMessage on android, but that's not all that optimal.
Windows too please. I have a regularly upgraded iPhone, iPad and Apple TV but I use Windows on my PCs. It frustrates the hell out of me that I can’t use iMessage on them.
Due to no iMessage, I am regularly considering a move to Android as the integration between is stellar.
Apple, please make me a happy customer. In the last 3+ years I have spent over $6K on your stuff. All purchased directly from you. I have an Apple Card and a TV+ subscription.
I love the iCloud app and the devices app. Now, please do Apple Music and you can switch me from Spotify.
Due to no iMessage, I am regularly considering a move to Android as the integration between is stellar.
Apple, please make me a happy customer. In the last 3+ years I have spent over $6K on your stuff. All purchased directly from you. I have an Apple Card and a TV+ subscription.
I love the iCloud app and the devices app. Now, please do Apple Music and you can switch me from Spotify.
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I'd just like a web app for my iMessage account so I can respond to messages while working.
Why? Surely we who use multiple OS's, see exclusivity of some apps only to a specific OS especially if it involves some integration to the OS and encryption. It not like any consumer really needs to use only one form of texting or messaging on any platform where the developer doesn't support it.
Even Apple users have their own localized frustration that certain apps are not available on all Apple OS devices. Its is what it is.
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just when you thought "blue bubbles" was controversial, you upped the stakes and mention gun control
well done.
the rest of the world cannot understand how weekly shootings are just accepted. in the name of "freedom".
exactly how much money does the gun lobby have invested in the political system?
While I'd like an android client for iMessages (and Windows too), a web app would be enough!
iMessages involve more than interfacing via a single session SSL /TLS capable internet connected web bowser.
How iMessage sends and receives messages securely
iMessage sends and receives messages securely in Apple devices.
support.apple.com
Also this involves:
The user’s outgoing message is individually encrypted for each of the receiver’s devices. The public encryption keys and signing keys of the receiving devices are retrieved from IDS. For each receiving device, the sending device generates a random 88-bit value and uses it as an HMAC-SHA256 key to construct a 40-bit value derived from the sender and receiver public key and the plaintext. The concatenation of the 88-bit and 40-bit values makes a 128-bit key, which encrypts the message with it using AES in Counter (CTR) Mode. The 40-bit value is used by the receiver side to verify the integrity of the decrypted plaintext. This per-message AES key is encrypted using RSA-OAEP to the public key of the receiving device. The combination of the encrypted message text and the encrypted message key is then hashed with SHA-1, and the hash is signed with the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA)using the sending device’s private signing key. In iOS 13 or later and iPadOS 13.1 or later, devices may use an Elliptic Curve Integrated Encryption Scheme (ECIES) encryption instead of RSA encryption.
So you're saying they can't put it as part of icloud.com?
It's a solvable problem; they just don't want to.
It's a solvable problem; they just don't want to.
iMessage is Apple’s IP, just like God of War is Sony’s. Do you whinge and moan that GoW is not available on Xbox? Or do you shut up and buy a PlayStation?
If you want to use iMessage then you have to pony up and buy Apple’s hardware. If not, use WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger, or wait for RCS support on iPhone next year.
Remember that Apple is a business, their goal is to make money. It’s not Apple’s responsibility to make Android more appealing to the masses.
If you want to use iMessage then you have to pony up and buy Apple’s hardware. If not, use WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger, or wait for RCS support on iPhone next year.
Remember that Apple is a business, their goal is to make money. It’s not Apple’s responsibility to make Android more appealing to the masses.
Yep. iMessage is pretty stable even with large message size and volume. Never noticed any difference or the need to baby sit.