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The Matrix Franchise
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You actually watched it? I'm sorry 
I knew without any doubt it would be a stinker when Fishburne wasn't even asked and they had the Trinity character come back. So, story was dumped for the other things; money, hangin out with old pals, money....more money.
So know what I did? I rented their first movie 'Bound'. It's really good.
I knew without any doubt it would be a stinker when Fishburne wasn't even asked and they had the Trinity character come back. So, story was dumped for the other things; money, hangin out with old pals, money....more money.
So know what I did? I rented their first movie 'Bound'. It's really good.
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It only worked with the first two movies. The rest of the sequels were trash.
Well you had to watch a little more than that to understand what is supposed to be going on. ? I have to admit that with this start I was immediately in brace myself mode and was ultimately disappointed with this movie as unworthy.I watched 2 minutes of MR and stopped. No art to it. It's just like all these reboots.
The good news is it's no longer 'sacred ground' and more competent writers can now tackle the mythology. There's more to the story
I thoroughly enjoyed Resurrections because I knew what to expect well beforehand.
Those expectations were fulfilled, and Lana didn’t pull punches in the meta-fiction of the script to illustrate why there wasn’t any necessity to produce a fourth Matrix.
After the original Matrix, the Wachowski sisters had no plans to produce sequels. Warner Brothers exercised an option which demanded sequels, and they had to comply with the contract. This is why Reloaded and Revolutions didn’t fit neatly with the original, as the original was intended to be a standalone piece. The rave at Zion and the Merovingian were never needed to make the original Matrix into what it was.
Fast-forward to around March 2017, when Warner Brothers began openly discussing a “reboot” for the “franchise” without the involvement of Lana or Lilly. Neither Lana nor Lilly were interested to make a “reboot” or “sequel” or however Warner planned to market it, to be written by Zac Penn, a cisgender writer.
Eventually, Lana stepped forward to take up the contractual obligation of a film which was going to happen regardless; Lilly, meanwhile, has been focussed on her own Showtime series. So Lana took up the mantle to assure the final product didn’t veer out of control from what the sisters envisioned originally back during the early and mid 1990s — replete with graphic novel angles and atypical storytelling.
If you do ultimately watch Resurrections, bear in mind these background details, as Lana’s own screenwriting takes a pretty direct jab at the contractual politics behind Resurrections even coming to exist in the first place.
In short, the film was made to appease Warner Brothers, and in so doing, Lana exercised her creative license to poke jabs at everything and everyone insisting there be a fourth instalment — from that contractual situation above; to all the tech bros and “red-pillers” who’ve spent these last many years co-opting the original Matrix believing it to be something which was written for them (which it never was, viz. Jude); to even throwing an oblique side-eye toward the abrupt cancellation of the series, Sense8 (bringing in no fewer than eleven Sense8 cast members for Resurrections, also set in San Francisco, and with Tom Tykwer and Johnny Klimek’s handiwork carrying over with the musical score).
When factoring all these angles before diving into Resurrections, much as I did, the story worked very well — especially so, owing to the intellectual property constraints leading to its very existence. As with previous instalments, I needed to watch it at least twice to collect most of the subtext and plot complexities into a cohesive whole. I’ll probably re-watch it this evening or tomorrow.
Perhaps my only, “Nah, this could have been a lot better,” was when Trinity said, “Bye.” I realize this was intended to have a punch comparable with Neo’s “No,” during the climactic end of the original film. In hindsight, even that speaks to the exhaustion of the Matrix’s creator(s) having to reanimate a Warner-owned property of Lana and Lilly’s own making which should have been left alone after 2003 — or better yet, after the original story. The dénouement, confronting the antagonist in person (in lieu of speaking into a handset at a payphone booth), was one more meta-fictional jab which probably didn’t sit well with tech bro/“red-piller” types.
Resurrections wasn’t made for them.
I think, were it not for that legal arm-twisting by WB to jolt that which shouldn’t be rebooted for a quick shareholder buck, Lana would have been spending the last few years thinking about working on completely new stuff, post-Sense8. But here we are, and Warners want conservative, bankable, shareholder-friendly stuff — such as milking every last drop from financially successful franchises of the past — to add to their stable.
POST EDIT: When taking the four instalments and ranking them, I’d place Resurrections in the #2 slot, in front of Reloaded and Revolutions. Also, having looked at IMDB’s demographic breakout of who liked the film the least, it’s no shock for me to see the lowest-polled (consistent with the “red-piller”/tech bro/dude bro/Jude bro demographic) are from men, aged 30–44, and men, aged 45+ — whereas the highest polled are from women, aged 45+ and aged 30–44. Another bright spot is seeing how boys tended to like it more than their dad-aged counterparts.
Those expectations were fulfilled, and Lana didn’t pull punches in the meta-fiction of the script to illustrate why there wasn’t any necessity to produce a fourth Matrix.
After the original Matrix, the Wachowski sisters had no plans to produce sequels. Warner Brothers exercised an option which demanded sequels, and they had to comply with the contract. This is why Reloaded and Revolutions didn’t fit neatly with the original, as the original was intended to be a standalone piece. The rave at Zion and the Merovingian were never needed to make the original Matrix into what it was.
Fast-forward to around March 2017, when Warner Brothers began openly discussing a “reboot” for the “franchise” without the involvement of Lana or Lilly. Neither Lana nor Lilly were interested to make a “reboot” or “sequel” or however Warner planned to market it, to be written by Zac Penn, a cisgender writer.
Eventually, Lana stepped forward to take up the contractual obligation of a film which was going to happen regardless; Lilly, meanwhile, has been focussed on her own Showtime series. So Lana took up the mantle to assure the final product didn’t veer out of control from what the sisters envisioned originally back during the early and mid 1990s — replete with graphic novel angles and atypical storytelling.
If you do ultimately watch Resurrections, bear in mind these background details, as Lana’s own screenwriting takes a pretty direct jab at the contractual politics behind Resurrections even coming to exist in the first place.
In short, the film was made to appease Warner Brothers, and in so doing, Lana exercised her creative license to poke jabs at everything and everyone insisting there be a fourth instalment — from that contractual situation above; to all the tech bros and “red-pillers” who’ve spent these last many years co-opting the original Matrix believing it to be something which was written for them (which it never was, viz. Jude); to even throwing an oblique side-eye toward the abrupt cancellation of the series, Sense8 (bringing in no fewer than eleven Sense8 cast members for Resurrections, also set in San Francisco, and with Tom Tykwer and Johnny Klimek’s handiwork carrying over with the musical score).
When factoring all these angles before diving into Resurrections, much as I did, the story worked very well — especially so, owing to the intellectual property constraints leading to its very existence. As with previous instalments, I needed to watch it at least twice to collect most of the subtext and plot complexities into a cohesive whole. I’ll probably re-watch it this evening or tomorrow.
Perhaps my only, “Nah, this could have been a lot better,” was when Trinity said, “Bye.” I realize this was intended to have a punch comparable with Neo’s “No,” during the climactic end of the original film. In hindsight, even that speaks to the exhaustion of the Matrix’s creator(s) having to reanimate a Warner-owned property of Lana and Lilly’s own making which should have been left alone after 2003 — or better yet, after the original story. The dénouement, confronting the antagonist in person (in lieu of speaking into a handset at a payphone booth), was one more meta-fictional jab which probably didn’t sit well with tech bro/“red-piller” types.
Resurrections wasn’t made for them.
I think, were it not for that legal arm-twisting by WB to jolt that which shouldn’t be rebooted for a quick shareholder buck, Lana would have been spending the last few years thinking about working on completely new stuff, post-Sense8. But here we are, and Warners want conservative, bankable, shareholder-friendly stuff — such as milking every last drop from financially successful franchises of the past — to add to their stable.
POST EDIT: When taking the four instalments and ranking them, I’d place Resurrections in the #2 slot, in front of Reloaded and Revolutions. Also, having looked at IMDB’s demographic breakout of who liked the film the least, it’s no shock for me to see the lowest-polled (consistent with the “red-piller”/tech bro/dude bro/Jude bro demographic) are from men, aged 30–44, and men, aged 45+ — whereas the highest polled are from women, aged 45+ and aged 30–44. Another bright spot is seeing how boys tended to like it more than their dad-aged counterparts.
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Horrible movie... Ugh. Others have said it and agree with pretty much everything that has already been said. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Horrible script, horrible action sequences... horrible storyline... Yeah I didn't like the movie. This one ranks right up there with the three hour rave concert we got in the one Matrix movie.
The one thing I didn't mind nor did I bump up against it was the characters who actors were swapped out. Actually didn't mind that and it didn't take away from the ***** show of the movie.
The one thing I didn't mind nor did I bump up against it was the characters who actors were swapped out. Actually didn't mind that and it didn't take away from the ***** show of the movie.
I saw the first and third Matrix movies in the theater, and missed the 2nd because of being in Afghanistan, but saw a screener of it while I was there.
Was a huge fan of the first (who wasn't), kind of like the 2nd, but the third was a mess and I still don't fully understand what happened.
When I first saw that a new Matrix movie was going to come out, I initially got excited, but then quickly remembered that most movies are crap now, especially in the last 6-8 years.
After seeing some reviews and this thread, I will most likely watch it some day, but not going to spend extra money for it.
I rank the terminator movies like this, from best to worse:
Terminator
T2
Terminator: Salvation
Terminator 3: RotM
Terminator: Genisys
Terminator: Dark Fate
Most probably pick T2 over the original, and I can definitely see why, but there is something about the first being a sci-fi horror versus sci-fi action of T2 that I love. Plus, I love the Kyle Reese character (Michael Biehn's version).
Terminator: Salvation gets a lot of hate, and I am unsure why. People complained that the RotM was basically a rehash of the first and second movie, at least Salvation was trying something different. My biggest complaint about Salvation was the heavy spoiler put in the trailers that ruined the big reveal. I stopped watching most trailers after that movie.
RotM was okay, but seemed more of a cash-grab that adding anything to the story.
Genisys was a huge mess. The worse movie of the bunch, but expected it as much due to just the casting. Many of the characters were miscast, which Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese being the worse. Just the build of the character didn't seem right. Michael Biehn's version was the looks of someone trying to survive an apocalypse. Jai Courtney looked very well-nourished. The plot of Genisys was goofy and plenty of holes, but this could be said of most time-traveling movies.
Dark Fate, while not technically worse than Genisys, is on my worst list due to it being the biggest disappointment of all the movies. I remember reading about how James Cameron was going to be involved with a new Terminator Movie, one bringing back both Arny and Linda Hamilton, and even Edward Furlong, it got me excited. Of course, I forgot was year it was, and forgot that movies suck now. Dark Fate was T2 all over again, just a crappy version of it, a horrible story with lots of plot holes, and more miscast characters, especially Dani.
The above is all based in my opinion, so anyone feel free to disagree.
Was a huge fan of the first (who wasn't), kind of like the 2nd, but the third was a mess and I still don't fully understand what happened.
When I first saw that a new Matrix movie was going to come out, I initially got excited, but then quickly remembered that most movies are crap now, especially in the last 6-8 years.
After seeing some reviews and this thread, I will most likely watch it some day, but not going to spend extra money for it.
I rank the terminator movies like this, from best to worse:
Terminator
T2
Terminator: Salvation
Terminator 3: RotM
Terminator: Genisys
Terminator: Dark Fate
Most probably pick T2 over the original, and I can definitely see why, but there is something about the first being a sci-fi horror versus sci-fi action of T2 that I love. Plus, I love the Kyle Reese character (Michael Biehn's version).
Terminator: Salvation gets a lot of hate, and I am unsure why. People complained that the RotM was basically a rehash of the first and second movie, at least Salvation was trying something different. My biggest complaint about Salvation was the heavy spoiler put in the trailers that ruined the big reveal. I stopped watching most trailers after that movie.
RotM was okay, but seemed more of a cash-grab that adding anything to the story.
Killing Sarah Connor off-screen was really crappy, imo. Not as bad as what happen to John Connor in Dark Fate though
Genisys was a huge mess. The worse movie of the bunch, but expected it as much due to just the casting. Many of the characters were miscast, which Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese being the worse. Just the build of the character didn't seem right. Michael Biehn's version was the looks of someone trying to survive an apocalypse. Jai Courtney looked very well-nourished. The plot of Genisys was goofy and plenty of holes, but this could be said of most time-traveling movies.
Dark Fate, while not technically worse than Genisys, is on my worst list due to it being the biggest disappointment of all the movies. I remember reading about how James Cameron was going to be involved with a new Terminator Movie, one bringing back both Arny and Linda Hamilton, and even Edward Furlong, it got me excited. Of course, I forgot was year it was, and forgot that movies suck now. Dark Fate was T2 all over again, just a crappy version of it, a horrible story with lots of plot holes, and more miscast characters, especially Dani.
The above is all based in my opinion, so anyone feel free to disagree.
It was a win-win:
Warner Brothers got what they wanted (a bankable product), and Lana got to pillory Warner Brothers (brilliantly, I must add) for having the arrogance to try to milk more money from a “property” of hers and her sister’s creation. Warner got their product, and they may yet make money from it, but they also got a product which poked plenty of fun at the film industry’s need for greed in dredging the archives for quick-dollar (and usually unoriginal) reboots.
I’ve watched it three times to tie together most of the plot references (the dialogue does move fast), and it still remains a good film. As with every Wachowski production, the more I watch it, the more I realize there are tiny, enjoyable details I missed before.