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I'm glad that someone is doing the justice for Quad G5 or any dual core or dual cpu G5 Powermac. I'm a huge fan of these machines. Collected a few so far and have been using it leisurely and find it has plenty of appeals in it.

I saw 8 bit guy's video before I bought the Quad G5. I just can't believe that Quad G5 can be so bad. I was referencing it to my Dual CPU 2.0 G5 at the time with 8GB ram and 6800 Ultra. When I got the Quad G5, I've upgraded the rams to 16GB and also to a Quadro FX 4500. It was running like a dream but I do agrees that Quad G5 is a little louder than the air cool G5. It's not as bad as 8 bit guy claim it to be a space heater. I'm from a tropical country, if I don't think it's that warm then it must be something wrong with 8 bit guy's Quad G5.

The Quad G5 has always been running cool for me. Usually around 38-50 degrees and rarely runs above 50. I hasn't start servicing the pump but I knew I really have to make the time for it.

2 of my air cooled dual cpu G5 has broken down. Quad G5 still going strong.
 
Couldn't disagree more. How could his viewpoint be balanced when he was reviewing a computer that had a damaged cooling system? At the time of his video, the machine he used bore no resemblance to mine - his viewpoint was from a user with a broken computer with no intention of fixing it nor spending a few hours finding all the right software for it.

Well, you can't buy a brand new PowerMac G5 Quad today, so any person who buys a PowerMac G5 Quad is buying a 14 year old computer with unknown mileage on it. Most Quads out there have LCS (Liquid Cooling System) that can leak at any moment or probably leaking slightly, as in the case of the 8bit guy's friend machine. That is, I think, a real view expectation of anyone like myself who buys a Quad today can expect. A machine that is not going to run as well as a new machine or a machine that is well kept and maintained. Some other reviewers had the LCS rebuilt or the entire Quad rebuilt running almost like new. In fact, I know a place in town that sell G5 Quad for $1300 Cad rebuilt for video companies that still use the Quad for video restoration work projects. But how often will people buy a rebuilt G5 Quad with some warranty for $1300 unless you're using it for business? Very very rare. Most people like myself will be getting a Quad that would most likely resemble the poor performance of 8bit guy's review machine. To me; that's a real world balanced view. You review a machine that is most likely what you're going to be getting today, not what you got 14 years ago and babied it till today and probably run really well, because most Quad machines out there are being sold on the cheap, not kept for a reason.

In regards to finding software. The G5 series are niche computers and unless you have specific software and data you need to work and access that are PPC specific, I don't see in the real world that someone would spend any time finding G5 PPC software to work in the modern world where you can easily find Intel specific software applications that are easy to get, standardized and up-to-date. Like I said, G5s are being used even today by certain businesses that have PPC specific applications and data they have that are cost effective to use on the PPC platform and that's probably why many PPC users are happy with the G5. You don't need to upgrade all the software to Intel and later OS to run the latest browsers.
 
Most people like myself will be getting a Quad that would most likely resemble the poor performance of 8bit guy's review machine. To me; that's a real world balanced view.

What a bizarre stance you're arguing from. You imply that 8bit's video was a guide to the pitfalls of buying a secondhand computer - it wasn't - it was a review of the Quad's capabilities, from that perspective he'd be starting with a fully functional unit - not one with an obvious cooling system issue.
Again, what's the point of even reviewing a Quad and then deciding not to install the right software, "because apps for Intel are more readily available and may as well get a Mac Pro."
The facts are, around the time of his video, I owned two Quads - one was as noisey as my Dual 2.3, the other was silent even under load. It could play 1080P Youtube without even stretching itself and 4K video was playable off the drive.
My Quads were fearsome production machines for graphic design and writing/recording music and at the time both were half the price of a used Mac Pro - all the necessary software was loaded up in less than a day....a complete contrast to 8bit's machine.
 
What a bizarre stance you're arguing from. You imply that 8bit's video was a guide to the pitfalls of buying a secondhand computer - it wasn't - it was a review of the Quad's capabilities, from that perspective he'd be starting with a fully functional unit - not one with an obvious cooling system issue.
Again, what's the point of even reviewing a Quad and then deciding not to install the right software, "because apps for Intel are more readily available and may as well get a Mac Pro."
The facts are, around the time of his video, I owned two Quads - one was as noisey as my Dual 2.3, the other was silent even under load. It could play 1080P Youtube without even stretching itself and 4K video was playable off the drive.
My Quads were fearsome production machines for graphic design and writing/recording music and at the time both were half the price of a used Mac Pro - all the necessary software was loaded up in less than a day....a complete contrast to 8bit's machine.
A 8 bit guy said, ''G4's can't play YouTube'' well, a user on this forum by the username of MrPilot shared this link of a 1ghz powerbook G4 playing youtube smooth in Webkit with the Safari 11 UA.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10nx30CshkZtUPiRQ8b0k9JlcClRq42ZQ/view
 
Er....why are you telling me this? I play Youtube on my G3?
I mean desktop YouTube... with all the extras you get in the desktop environment such as subscribing to channels, liking videos, youtube messaging ect. should have been more specific.
 
I know but I've put videos up on Youtube of G4s playing in browser...
I know, but yours was a 1.33ghz PBG4 with 64mb of Vram and a much better video card than the 1ghz PBG4 seen in the video. I thought the bare minimum was a 1.25ghz G4 for decent playback
 
I know, but yours was a 1.33ghz PBG4 with 64mb of Vram and a much better video card than the 1ghz PBG4 seen in the video. I thought the bare minimum was a 1.25ghz G4 for decent playback

Yes but you were telling me, "A 8 bit guy said, ''G4's can't play YouTube'' well, a user on this forum by the username of MrPilot shared this link of a 1ghz powerbook G4 playing youtube smooth in Webkit with the Safari 11 UA."
Being a long time user I already know that a G4 can play Youtube ;)
 
@iluvmacs99, I see where you are coming from, but the Quad isn't as leakage-prone as you make it out to be. If you were talking of the earlier single-core 2.7GHz model, then you'd be somewhat right if its lesser, stock LCS was still there.

I bought my perfectly-functioning Quad for 150 USD. Still works perfectly years after. And I just keep improving it, slowly each time. For instance, just yesterday I got a cable that now allows me to have 6 SSDs total running in it, all internally, with ease, and with a lot of space left. (For the heck of it.)

In many ways, it is easily the best machine I have ever owned and have ever seen. (With that said, however, the 1.5GHz Mac mini G4 is still my personal favorite.)
In most tasks my Quad appeared no faster than my Dual 2.3 - only on transcoding did it have the extra horsepower.
Right you are. Even my 1.5GHz Mac mini G4 handles most tasks just as well. The "issue" is that the Quad is just complete overkill in the PowerPC world. But sometimes, you really see the difference, as I'm sure you know.

For example, yesterday I unarchived 12 ZIP files in a row with the built-in Archive Utility and, with the Activity Monitor open, I noticed how each core had an evenly-distributed amount of work, and how the utility would take precisely 4 files at a time, exactly one per core, never more, never less. If one archive was done, the next one popped up. The software made complete use of every single core, effectively saving up a lot of time. It was beautiful.

I keep talking of overclocking the mini G4 to 2GHz, but honestly, the truth is that it doesn't really need that. These machines are literally all too good already!
 
For instance, just yesterday I got a cable that now allows me to have 6 SSDs total running in it, all internally, with ease, and with a lot of space left.
I was feeling I owed an explanation. And also, why not just share the love. Anyone heard of Sonnet's G5 Jive? It basically was a mount/small rack + cable that took power from the IDE CD/DVD drive to have 3 additional SATA power connections (without losing the original IDE power connector). Combined with Sonnet's PCIe card that gives you 4 additional SATA II (as opposed to the built-in SATA I) data connections, you could get 3 of those 4 used, or all 4 used if you stole one of the two built-in SATA power cables.




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Sonnet Tempo SATA E4i

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G5 Jive

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Both combined


Problems:
- Sonnet doesn't sell either anymore. You can still find the PCIe card out there, but not the G5 Jive solution;
- No matter what you do, you'll still lack 1 power cable to make use of all 6 SATA connections (2 built-in + 3 from G5 Jive cable < 6).

I'm not sure if it was because there was not much space left to fit another 3.5" drive inside a G5, or if there were power concerns regarding splitting the power to yet another additional big spinning drive, or both, but I knew for sure both of those points are completely dealt with if you use SSDs, which not only are 2.5" and thus 2 can fit with a 3.5" mount, but also consume MUCH less power than spinning drives (on top of being lighter, faster and silent). And, not to mention, I won't be blocking the airflow anywhere near as much like that original G5 Jive setup.

And thus, my chimera-hydra cable was born, thanks to an incredible acquaintance:

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The IDE heads

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The SATA heads

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The full body

Well, does it work? I don't know. Two pairs of SATA heads are each forked to go into 2 different places of the G5: the drive slots and the floor right in front of where the RAM is. In total, four 2.5" drives fit in the standard drive slots and two 2.5" drives would be installed on the floor in front of the RAM area. (There's a G5 screw there you can use to keep the mount in place and whatnot.)

Well, should it work? It should. My only concern is that the cable turned out to be perhaps a bit bigger than it needed to be. But at least for SSDs, it really should be able to deliver more than all the necessary power, and that too with ease. I bet HDDs would also work, especially if not all 6 are 3.5" HDDs, but I'm not interested in those. Though I'll probably keep 1 for massive storage. (For BackUps and whatnot.)

This is what each pair of SSDs look like:

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Corsair dual-slot mounting bracket
(I'm not affiliated with Corsair, I swear! They just really do the job right on the G5.)

Compared with Sonnet's pictures of three 3.5" drives blocking the airflow, my setup only takes the space of one. Arguably even less, as there's a lot of free space in that bracket. Sounds really good to me!

If all this works as intended, I plan to post pics, of course. But first, I need to find six 2.5" drives to use. lol
 
Now going back on my earlier comment about those uneducated people that review PPC macs, it's so hard to find any good review... such as this awesome iMac G5. ''no modern browsers except TenFourFox which is slow'' have you not heard of optimization? or Leopard Webkit? No, they never research they just type in ''PPC browser'' and find TenFourFox but refuse to dig deeper to explore optimization or other options.

As usual, TenFourFox is used to show YouTube performance and you get about 1 frame per 3 seconds as expected but oh well it must be o b s e l e t e to those cool video bro fans.
It makes me wanna buy all of these machines and give them the educated review they deserve.
 
No, they never research they just type in ''PPC browser'' and find TenFourFox but refuse to dig deeper to explore optimization or other options.

It's very simple. Most people are lazy and usually have great trouble getting out of bed. :)
 
Why not do one now with your iBook - redress the balance?
I should make a video called ''Getting the Most out of your iBook G4 in 2019''
8bit guy did a video like that in 2009 and it was actually good, he showed various methods of doing different tasks such as Camino to play YouTube instead of Safari.
 
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I should make a video called ''Getting the Most out of your iBook G4 in 2019''
8bit guy did a video like that in 2009 and it was actually good, he showed various methods of doing different tasks such as Camino to play YouTube instead of Safari.

I remember The Apple Vault (now called midnight) did a video about the iMac G4 and iMac G5 in 2014 or 2015. They were great videos, with great music and style, complete with a positive outlook on the two machines.

But then he took them down, for some kind of reason...
 
What a bizarre stance you're arguing from. You imply that 8bit's video was a guide to the pitfalls of buying a secondhand computer - it wasn't - it was a review of the Quad's capabilities, from that perspective he'd be starting with a fully functional unit - not one with an obvious cooling system issue.
Again, what's the point of even reviewing a Quad and then deciding not to install the right software, "because apps for Intel are more readily available and may as well get a Mac Pro."
The facts are, around the time of his video, I owned two Quads - one was as noisey as my Dual 2.3, the other was silent even under load. It could play 1080P Youtube without even stretching itself and 4K video was playable off the drive.
My Quads were fearsome production machines for graphic design and writing/recording music and at the time both were half the price of a used Mac Pro - all the necessary software was loaded up in less than a day....a complete contrast to 8bit's machine.

You're right. What he was demonstrating was basically a malfunctioning Quad G5 with a leaking LCS that basically couldn't be pushed to its fullest potential and so wasn't an ideal candidate for the review, but he didn't know that and nor did the owner who loaned him the G5. I didn't know this either until I read the comments below, because I never owned one yet. Thanks to his review; I now realize the difference between one that is working and one that is not. I think it is a complete dis-service to push out sugar-coated biased reviews only to showcase the positive qualities of the machines, but hiding the potential pitfalls. Ultimately, it is the buyer who decides which reviews resonate with and make the appropriate choices.

Having said that; the announcement of the Mac Pro 7,1 had put downward pressure on all older Intel Mac Pros that sometimes I could buy a used Mac Pro 3,1 which can be hacked to run Mojave for the same price as the Quad G5 which is stuck at Leopard. And even the Quad G5 can not run DXO PhotoLab 2, Topaz AI products and the latest Davinci Resolve Studio; those things do actually matter to a lot of people in 2019 than older Photoshop CS3 and QuarkExpress. My sister had to recently upgrade her Adobe to CC (Photoshop and Indesign) and had to use a modern Mac Mini to run them than her 10 year old mini. And that is reality in 2019.
 
@iluvmacs99, I see where you are coming from, but the Quad isn't as leakage-prone as you make it out to be. If you were talking of the earlier single-core 2.7GHz model, then you'd be somewhat right if its lesser, stock LCS was still there.

I bought my perfectly-functioning Quad for 150 USD. Still works perfectly years after. And I just keep improving it, slowly each time. For instance, just yesterday I got a cable that now allows me to have 6 SSDs total running in it, all internally, with ease, and with a lot of space left. (For the heck of it.)

In many ways, it is easily the best machine I have ever owned and have ever seen. (With that said, however, the 1.5GHz Mac mini G4 is still my personal favorite.)

Actually, that would be my second choice -- Mac Mini G4 to run 3 software I need -- Tiger, Final Cut Express 4 to maintain legacy DV25 and HDV with Firewire DV media and The Print Shop. But I had always wanted a Quad G5, but couldn't find a decent one locally. Majority of them had the same issues with the 8bit guy's machine. The only few that didn't still want prices like you could buy a Mac Pro 3,1 or 4,1! I would prefer the G5 though as an FCE4 machine because of expandable media. I'm not in a hurry to get it though as I'm managing FCE4 just barely under El-Capitan to access my older media (video archive) once in a bluemoon, but it's obvious that it's not running well under El-cap. It ran well under Tiger 10.4.11 when I last worked on with my PowerMac G4 tower when I had it. I skipped the G5 and went straight to Intel. Thanks for the feedback on your G5 Quad!
 
I think it is a complete dis-service to push out sugar-coated biased reviews only to showcase the positive qualities of the machines, but hiding the potential pitfalls.

And equally, it's shameful that a huge Youtube presence like 8-Bit Guy couldn't be bothered to research the Quad and give an accurate review - effectively resulting in a hatchet-job that a lot of people would use as a definitive assessment of that particular PPC.
 
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And equally, it's shameful that a huge Youtube presence like 8-Bit Guy couldn't be bothered to research the Quad and give an accurate review - effectively resulting in a hatchet-job that a lot of people would use as a definitive assessment of that particular PPC.

Anyone know if he had a full time job, wife, kids, mortgage, car payment etc. at the time of the video? That alone could explain the limited time used to reasearch & create it. With 24hrs in a day & a slew of time intensive responsibilities that take front seat, he simply may not have had the time to do the type of research to satisfy.

Considering the criticism, I’ll wait for one of you good fellas with all the time in the world to make a proper video - buy a quad, touch on all the work arounds, explain how one does it, etc. Post the link here for high fives.
 
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Anyone know if he had a full time job, wife, kids, mortgage, car payment etc. at the time of the video? That alone could explain the limited time used to reasearch & create it. With 24hrs in a day & a slew of time intensive responsibilities that take front seat, he simply may not have had the time to do the type of research to satisfy.

Considering the criticism, I’ll wait for one of you good fellas with all the time in the world to make a proper video, buy a quad, touch on all the work arounds, etc. Post the link here for high fives.
Respectfully, I don't buy that and never have. It's an argument that society accepts as an unquestionable excuse to explain a lack of attention. If it matters to you, you find the time or you create it. It's a priority to you.

And that's truly what we are talking about. Priorities. Where people choose to place their priorities is their business and I respect that, but to argue that you have no time is a cover for the fact that you are choosing not to place a priority on the subject or that you are placing a greater priority on something else. This is why society accepts the 'too busy' argument. No one wants to admit that a poor performance is due to the fact that they didn't put a priority on it or that something else was more important at the time.

I would argue that the YT poster didn't place a priority on this.
 
Anyone know if he had a full time job, wife, kids, mortgage, car payment etc. at the time of the video? That alone could explain the limited time used to reasearch & create it.

Are you being serious or just trying to provoke argument again? He's a major league content creator - he clearly spends a lot of time on his videos (research, preparation and production) regardless of his domestic situation - except on this one.
 
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Are you being serious or just trying to provoke argument again? He's a major league content creator - he clearly spends a lot of time on his videos (research, preparation and production) regardless of his domestic situation - except on this one.


Both of you are wrong (Specifically in regards to his circumstance & importance vs the rigors of reality). There are many things I care about. Reality is quite different & that absolutely impacts how & to what extent I engage them. Neither of you have any idea of his circumstance at the time this video was made regardless of where he is now.

You have plenty of judgement however & you’re certainly allowed to have it. I’m asking you to simply put your time & energy where your mouth & judgements are. Make a *good* PMG5 quad video.

Respectfully of course.

:)
 
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Both of you are wrong. Respectfully of course. There are many things I care about. Reality is quite different. Neither of you have any idea of his circumstance at the time this video was made.

You have plenty of judgement however. I’m asking you to simply put your time & energy where your mouth & judgements are.

Respectfully of course.
No, no idea about his circumstance.

I can only quote my situation. Two kids, a wife, a full-time job and a mortgage to pay. Yet I still find time to be a regular here and indulge in my Macs/PC.

Perhaps I am just an exception, I am willing to admit that. Both my wife and I are loners by nature. We can spend long periods alone and are just fine with that. We don't need to be next to each other every hour of the day. My kids were and are raised to be independent and do for themselves. They have their friends and outside interests which mainly happen at school. They aren't interested in sports - which would have them outside the house a lot. We are all pretty much a homebound lot. But no one has suffered from a lack of attention or had their needs go unmet.

Yet at the same time I've always been able to find time or make time for what I care about - even if it's meant getting up at 3:30am to do it.

I am not saying you don't do for those things you value, just that I don't buy the argument about having no time.
 
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