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The morality of pirating and EULA
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fortunately for you, friendships don't seem to intrude on your world according to this thread
Oof, that was a cheap shot!
We can't shut it down now...this thread may need to be used for evidence sometime in the future.
It is a copy. It may not be a physical copy but it's still a copy. You can't download physical CD either, do you?
However, at least our laws grant us the right to make "a few" copies of a CD/DVD/etc you own and give them to your friends (no money can be involved).
It is a copy. It may not be a physical copy but it's still a copy. You can't download physical CD either, do you?
However, at least our laws grant us the right to make "a few" copies of a CD/DVD/etc you own and give them to your friends (no money can be involved).
What law permits this? Which country?
Western and Northern European law usually allows private copying, and also allows breaking copy-protection on content you've bought yourself.
I think it makes sense. If I buy something, I own it. I can do whatever I want with it, for me. Can I modify it and distribute it? No. Can I modify it and play around with it? Yes.
As Heilage stated above, you're allowed by law in most of those coutries to make copies for "personal use". By Norwegian law, giving a copy or two to your friends will in most cases be considered "personal use", unless you charge them money for it.
Personal use copies may not be distributed to others, for money or otherwise, in the US.
Though I am not familiar with the specific laws in other countries it would shock me to find any language in the law that lets you distribute personal use copies to anyone else.
That's why they are called Personal Use copies, and not Share With Friends copies...
Though I am not familiar with the specific laws in other countries it would shock me to find any language in the law that lets you distribute personal use copies to anyone else.
That's why they are called Personal Use copies, and not Share With Friends copies...
Well, speaking for myself, I was under the impression I fitted into society well.
That society being the same one as you're in.Except I've got my reasoning and you've got yours. We evolved down the same evolutionary path. What went wrong?
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^ +1. I've got a load of DVDs. They have copy protection. You want me to buy the iTunes mp4 copies to play on my
TV? I don't think so.----------
Well, I'm not in Norway, but I follow that chain of thought. When we've had film nights at a friend's house I've taken a DVD I burned. We watched it and I left it with a friend to keep. No charge. What's wrong with that? I didn't turn it into a business venture.
Rarely. When I do it is because I couldn't get it without a major hassle through standard sources.
For example - Sky (our idiot broadband, phone, internet and TV provider) decided to re-air every single episode of Stargate SG-1 chronologically and reliably for several months. But then for no reason whatsoever they decided not to include the final season. I looked to rent it via lovefilm (or netflix to some of you) and it was spaced out into 5 discs. That is a ridiculous number of discs for 20 episodes and because I'm on a 4 disc per month tariff, it would have extended into two months.... for what I would have seen in a couple weeks if Sky weren't so idiotic. I was watching 1-2 episodes a day for months and I wanted to keep it that way. I pirated that last season. I didn't want to but it was the best solution for me under the circumstances.
I won't argue with any of you over rights or wrongs of this because I don't care what you think. This is just an example of one of the few things that will inspire me to resort to piracy.
For example - Sky (our idiot broadband, phone, internet and TV provider) decided to re-air every single episode of Stargate SG-1 chronologically and reliably for several months. But then for no reason whatsoever they decided not to include the final season. I looked to rent it via lovefilm (or netflix to some of you) and it was spaced out into 5 discs. That is a ridiculous number of discs for 20 episodes and because I'm on a 4 disc per month tariff, it would have extended into two months.... for what I would have seen in a couple weeks if Sky weren't so idiotic. I was watching 1-2 episodes a day for months and I wanted to keep it that way. I pirated that last season. I didn't want to but it was the best solution for me under the circumstances.
I won't argue with any of you over rights or wrongs of this because I don't care what you think. This is just an example of one of the few things that will inspire me to resort to piracy.
http://translate.google.fi/translat...oikeudesta_kysyttya/yksityinen_kopiointi.html
It's legal to take "a few" copies to your family and/or friends.
Actually, I can even rent movies, CDs etc from the library and import them to my computer, legally. The best part is that the library doesn't charge anything for them.
I think we'll have to ... Er ... take your word for it. The translation isn't exactly perfect, particularly the part about a charge ("levy"). Certainly software pirating appears illegal according to that link.
In the UK you're certainly allowed to copy CDs to your computer for personal use/ back-up. DVDs/ Blu-rays are still a bit hazy [breaking the copy protection is probably technically illegal, but in practice if you copied it to your computer as a back-up you would be very unlucky to get prosecuted for it]. In all these issues "fair use" comes into play. Certainly it is always highlighted that copying and referencing passages from medical journals is ok, but copying huge chunks is not, regardless of how well you reference it.
Morality has gone out the window. As long as these big corporations who make these programs don't care about it, treat their employees like crap, and care just about money, then I don't care about morality either. **** em.
All the companies supporting SOPA have no morals.
The Internet is a proper free market and the corporations are scared of the capitalist market they they've exploited for years.
I think you're confusing a free (to operate) market with a free (to pay for) market. Somebody has to pay for the media we consume - it may as well be the consumers.
I like to pirate but I'm clueless. I know a bit about bit torrent, but I've heard pirates use newsgroups these days.
I buy a lot of music CDs. A few people have copied my iTunes library. I don't mind, but it would be great if the favour was returned, but their pathetic populist collections hold no interest for me. They'll drive crazy too in the future mentioning the more mediocre bands in the library and saying how great they are on their Bose systems with the loudness on. I need to meet people like me who'd rather buy music than pay off a mortgage.
I don't pirate software, except for the copy of Mac The Ripper 3 i bit tormented, only because of the rigmarole in getting it legit.
I buy a lot of music CDs. A few people have copied my iTunes library. I don't mind, but it would be great if the favour was returned, but their pathetic populist collections hold no interest for me. They'll drive crazy too in the future mentioning the more mediocre bands in the library and saying how great they are on their Bose systems with the loudness on. I need to meet people like me who'd rather buy music than pay off a mortgage.
I don't pirate software, except for the copy of Mac The Ripper 3 i bit tormented, only because of the rigmarole in getting it legit.
Content (sorry) on the internet is mostly a free market. Bills like SOPA and ACTA threaten the so far wildly successfully system, event *with* "rampant" piracy.
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Piracy is illegal because the person who has shared it doesn't have to right to do so. The link does show that it is allowed to take a few copies and give them to your friends/relatives, which is what I was trying to proof.
Well I do agree, but I've never been that willing to screw musicians or devs to get back at corporations. Yes I have some pirated music-a little, and pirated a lot more games back when I was in Uni in Canada doing my MA.
Still I guess it all balances out. A friend of mine gave me a copy of a Muse album a few years back-I went out and bought 3 more (1 cd and 2 itunes downloads). I've also seen them live so no harm done. I have "gifted" music I've bought as well.
Another example I had a pirated copy of the full version of Doom at Uni, I bought the ios version this year (which is the full version unlike the flash version floating around which only has the first shareware level with no musical soundtrack and pretty poorly ported graphics). I hope that cancels out my Karmic balance with id software.
I guess my point is if you don't clamp down too hard-folks will pay for what they really want.