The Neo Taught Me I Never Needed an iPad

[alongdingdong]

I had a Samsung flip, having to flip open your phone for every thing more then super basic stuff is getting old real fast.

It`s also annoying for anyone with a active lifestyle, if you do a lot of outdoor activities and occassionally get sand/dust from doing outdoors sports, that nice foldable screen will sound like the hinge is eating a shahara within no time.

It really comes down to what your lifestyle is but foldable screens are a no go for me.

 

[MayaUser]

Only for people who can’t afford both.

A foldable iphone is going to have nowhere near the battery capacity and battery life and will still be way smaller than even a 11” ipad. Probably still smaller than an ipad mini.

A foldable iPhone is a kindle or maybe (at a stretch) ipad mini replacement at best.

neeh,for people who use both smartphones and tablets...the future is iphone+ipad= iphone fold price or around that
ipad will lose its momentum anyway
the future is foldable +laptop(or desktop)
Nobody is walking down the street or anywhere with an ipad in their pockets...but with an iphone fold, everywhere
Like OP says, ipad is soon dead for being a real thing

 

[MayaUser]

I had a Samsung flip, having to flip open your phone for every thing more then super basic stuff is getting old real fast.

It`s also annoying for anyone with a active lifestyle, if you do a lot of outdoor activities and occassionally get sand/dust from doing outdoors sports, that nice foldable screen will sound like the hinge is eating a shahara within no time.

It really comes down to what your lifestyle is but foldable screens are a no go for me.

flip was garbage from the start...was just for nostalgic people

 

[throAU]

neeh,for people who use both smartphones and tablets...the future is iphone+ipad= iphone fold price or around that
ipad will lose its momentum anyway
the future is foldable +laptop(or desktop)
Nobody is walking down the street or anywhere with an ipad in their pockets...but with an iphone fold, everywhere
Like OP says, ipad is soon dead for being a real thing

In english please?

Convince me why i should have a foldable iphone instead of a phone plus a tablet, given that i can afford to buy what i want? I’d MUCH rather have a more durable phone and a second device with its own larger battery to do heavy lifting on that is not going to drain my phone.

If you think the future beyond say 5-10 years includes either a phone, laptop or desktop, you’re not imagining very hard.

A foldable larger screen phone is just a crap alternative to a set of glasses that does mixed reality on your face.

Yes, there have been some false starts. Hololens, Vision Pro - yes, yes.

That is not representative of what is coming. Those devices are development platforms for figuring out how to build apps for the much smaller more usable form factor.


I’m not saying the iphone fold won’t exist. I predict it will be about as popular as an iphone air.

 

[Non-Euclidean]

Honestly, I never really got the whole "using an iPad lying down in bed" thing. People always bring it up as the ultimate casual consumption device, but holding a flat slab is not ergonomically great in several ways, for me at least.

If only something like this existed:

Moko Tablet Pillow Stand, Soft Bed Pillow Holder Xmas Gift for up to 11" Pad, Fits iPad 10.2"(9th Gen), New iPad mini 6 8.3" Air 4/3, iPad Pro 11/10.5/9.7, Mini 5 4, Galaxy Tab S6/S7 11", Denim Blue

Moko Tablet Pillow Stand, Soft Bed Pillow Holder Xmas Gift for up to 11" Pad, Fits iPad 10.2"(9th Gen), New iPad mini 6 8.3" Air 4/3, iPad Pro 11/10.5/9.7, Mini 5 4, Galaxy Tab S6/S7 11", Denim Blue

www.amazon.com

It rocks. I got one for the wife.

 

[alongdingdong]

flip was garbage from the start...was just for nostalgic people

We will see if apple suddenly magically fixes foldable phones, they did not bring out any magic desktop, laptop, VRheadset or phone that is miles ahead of anything on the market ever.

It simply never happened factually.
This is not just a technical aspect, it has to much more durable then any other Apple product ever been, and it simply never existed in the past, with the added complexity of foldable screens i have my doubts that in the next 5 or 10 years they overcome that.

Or are you talking about 50 years from now because so far you come with some oneliners

 

[I7guy]

Well said.

Casual observation reveals Apple devotees heavily influenced by the company’s marketing dialogs bought into the thinking that an iPad could easily replace a laptop. It was somewhat of a fad mentality, the “think different” position which to a certain degree helped sell iPads.

It’s true. If you want to do certain tasks need a computer/laptop. If you want to do other tasks either a laptop or iPad or iPhone will suffice. But the iPad is the epitome of a top shelf designed device designed for touch. And a few things can be one more comfortably on an iPad and some, such as drawing can’t be one on a MacBook.

The iPad is a heck of a lot more comfortable to use in certain case in certain positions. It’s a complimentary device to the MacBook. My wife uses her IPP m1 with the Magic Keyboard 98% of the time. For the 2% the surface was used, but replaced with a Neo.

Bottom line a laptop is not a comfortable device in every situation and us devotees find the iPad much more comfortable, for example while sitting on the couch.

Now years later, those who tried that and found that even with a Magic Keyboard, the iPadOS is simply too limited for many workflows that one would typically use a MacBook for are returning to laptop use.

Totally not true. The ways people use computers, tables, phones are way too enumerable to generalize it and brush it away without some citations. If you are discussing coding, video editing etc sure, but the iPad supports those and not everybody is a YouTube content creator.

Two different products indeed.

Yep. Two different products which overlap and each have their strengths.

 

[MayaUser]

In english please?

Convince me why i should have a foldable iphone instead of a phone plus a tablet, given that i can afford to buy what i want? I’d MUCH rather have a more durable phone and a second device with its own larger battery to do heavy lifting on that is not going to drain my phone.

If you think the future beyond say 5-10 years includes either a phone, laptop or desktop, you’re not imagining very hard.

A foldable larger screen phone is just a crap alternative to a set of glasses that does mixed reality on your face.

Yes, there have been some false starts. Hololens, Vision Pro - yes, yes.

That is not representative of what is coming. Those devices are development platforms for figuring out how to build apps for the much smaller more usable form factor.


I’m not saying the iphone fold won’t exist. I predict it will be about as popular as an iphone air.

i said the future is....pure english...foldable will improve a lot also in durability while ipadOS will make way to the iphone fold
second reason, portability iphone fold everywhere, ipad only with backpack or something similar
For kids, ipads will still work since they are cheaper for home or classrooms
Third reason, Tim Cook will be gone as CEO, no more countability line of thinking for Apple

 

[MayaUser]

We will see if apple suddenly magically fixes foldable phones, they did not bring out any magic desktop, laptop, VRheadset or phone that is miles ahead of anything on the market ever.

It simply never happened factually.
This is not just a technical aspect, it has to much more durable then any other Apple product ever been, and it simply never existed in the past, with the added complexity of foldable screens i have my doubts that in the next 5 or 10 years they overcome that.

Or are you talking about 50 years from now because so far you come with some oneliners

they did with the M1...was far ahead...
They will do it again with foldable since Apple is the only one that has foldable pure apps from ipadOS store with proper aspect ratio and also ios store
So for developers will be easier too

 

[MayaUser]

Or if apple wants the ipad pro still thrives they will give the full pro apps into the ipadOS store
For me its impossible to work in ipad pro with Maya...even for those who use less demanding final cut pro still lacks a lot from the full macOS app, also the format and thermals will never allow pro SoC into the ipad pros ..so its easy, macs will grow, ipads will fall..

 

[MayaUser]

Just print screen the ipads sells of 2025 or 2026 and compare that number when the iphone fold will be on its 3d generation...and you will see ..simple, facts never lie
probably by then we will get iphone fold SE or something similar

 

[MayaUser]

given that i can afford to buy what i want?

Nobody said anything about that why you felt the need to say that ? behind the screen, i saw almost all people are always very rich they can afford anything and they want you to know that.

 

[MayaUser]

2 in 1 devices that fit into your pocket is the future

 

[Luftkopf]

2 in 1 devices that fit into your pocket is the future

Only if you force everyone onto them. I want a proper iPad, not a phone folded in half!

 

[ThailandToo]

I like the iPad Pro for content consumption, but otherwise it’s just a big iPod Tocuh with no real ability to do anything I want like MacOS would make it worth the money for all the crap I bought for it. Locked into a stupid ecosystem- no reason we couldn’t have the option to just install MacOS especially if we bought the Pro with Keyboard which means it touch first is not relevant.

 

[TechnoMonk]

The iPad always was a content consumption device. Some folk pretended to be productive and creative with them but in the end they're kidding themselves on. iPad OS really isn't conducive to real work. That being said, the lack of Apple Pencil support on the Neo means the certain areas where it can be used productively can't be replicated on the Neo. This is the dilemma which awaits switchers.

Well I guess all my pro work and money in the bank my iPP makes is pretend.

 

[TechnoMonk]

Only if you force everyone onto them. I want a proper iPad, not a phone folded in half!

Just use Microsoft surface line. You will figure out how flawed the 2 in 1 concept in reality is to begin with.

 

[Paolo T]

I've also dreamt about switching to the iPad for work. It never happened. Software for it has remained underpowered and incomplete. The original idea of distraction-free working environment has been wiped behind an overcomplicated desktop-like mess. While the original creator had very clearly in mind the idea of Zen-like, his nerdy successors didn't. All the software I would be potentially interested into are now crowded with distracting UI elements.

What I see is a consumption device, an expensive TV set, with some justification for working or studying sticked over it.

At this point there is no other choice than to use the iPad just for consumption, and return to a laptop for a computer while on the move.

The Neo costs little, and can be easily justified. But I admit that my next laptop will likely be an Air.

 

[mike.coulter]

I've had two iPads, and to be honest I've never gotten the use out of them. Whereas I prefer my iPad mini over my old normal iPad, I would still rather use either my MacBook or my iPhone.

 

[Haiku_Oezu]

I kind of agree, unless you draw it’s really hard to find something that you can do on an iPad that you can’t do better on a MacBook

It’s not that the iPad can’t create, it’s that the way you input data on it and the window management is not well suited for most kinds of work

It’s undeniable that it has the raw power to accomplish many tasks (unless it runs out of memory, then your app is just killed because there’s no swap memory on ipadOS), it’s just everything else that quickly falls apart

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

Tablets have always been a product that i don't see a use for, i either use my Phone or my Macbook Air.

I would recommend a reconditioned standard iPad with a cheap basic Speck Folio case to someone who wants a bigger screen than their phone, who doesn’t need a laptop. For those people, the iPad is the better device from a simplicity and cost perspective ($379 incl. case vs $599). Many don’t have an education discount. It’s not just about the cost either. For certain users at the same price the iPad would still be the sensible choice.

 

[Siliconguy]

The iPad is much better for content consumption as they put it. It's much handier to read a book on my iPad than on the laptop. The iPad has a camera on the back that is occasionally handy.

The laptop is definitely better for work.

So I would rephrase the opening statement to be "The Neo taught me I only need the base model iPad." The base model A16 does everything I need.

If Apple wants to sell me another iPad before this one wears out they need to enable full phone capability in the cellular model. Then I could ditch the current phone.

 

[SpotOnT]

I mean, the whole point of my post was that I had a device capable of much more than I ever used it for. Before the Neo, there was no perfect device for me. A MacBook was priced too high for my use case scenario, and an IPad while priced right was literally a glorified media consumption device. I still love and use my iPad for bed browsing, just don’t think I’ll ever buy an IPad again especially if the foldable IPhone comes out like rumored.

Ya, that comment completely misunderstood the whole point of your post.

 

[Neepman]

Anyone that bought an

The iPad always was a content consumption device. Some folk pretended to be productive and creative with them but in the end they're kidding themselves on. iPad OS really isn't conducive to real work. That being said, the lack of Apple Pencil support on the Neo means the certain areas where it can be used productively can't be replicated on the Neo. This is the dilemma which awaits switchers.

I always get a chuckle when I think of folks that spent more more on a ipad and magic keyboard than they would have if they just bought an Macbook air to begin with

 

[Biro]

Anyone that bought an

I always get a chuckle when I think of folks that spent more more on a ipad and magic keyboard than they would have if they just bought an Macbook air to begin with

I own both and it’s important to remember that the Magic Keyboard can be removed from the iPad in a second, making the iPad a very different device for couch consumption.