The new cheaper 13 model is 128GB!
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Howard2k
macrumors 603
I think you understood my post, but just to clarify, I was referring to people using local disk arrays, not iCloud. That is a good point about iCloud though. and I agree, it would still be tight.
I just returned my refurb'ed 2016 with 2.0/8GB/256GB in favor of a new 2017 with 2.3/16GB/128GB for the same money. My use case is pretty specific, though. I image my MBP for work and only use about 60GB of local storage. Everything is server side and I need the RAM more than I need the storage.
So for me, it worked out great. That being said, I'm likely not a typical user.
So for me, it worked out great. That being said, I'm likely not a typical user.
I think it’s funny that Apple is getting hammered here for introducing a 128gb tier but people weren’t all up in arms when Microsoft did the EXACT SAME THING with their new surface laptop, and it only includes 4gb of ram.
Sure, the surface is a bit cheaper, but one could argue that usb-c, thunderbolt 3, macOS, etc are worth the extra couple of hundred dollars, and add value to the MacBook Pro.
Not everyone could get away with 128gb of storage, but I know a lot of web designers that are using the 2015 with 128gb. With the era of the cloud people can do more with less. On my 5k iMac for example, I have a 3tb fusion drive... even with all of my apps on there, I haven’t even filled the 128gb flash.
My point is, just because it doesn’t work for you, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work for some people. Remember Apple is out to make money, and grow market share. A lower priced MacBook Pro may help that.
Sure, the surface is a bit cheaper, but one could argue that usb-c, thunderbolt 3, macOS, etc are worth the extra couple of hundred dollars, and add value to the MacBook Pro.
Not everyone could get away with 128gb of storage, but I know a lot of web designers that are using the 2015 with 128gb. With the era of the cloud people can do more with less. On my 5k iMac for example, I have a 3tb fusion drive... even with all of my apps on there, I haven’t even filled the 128gb flash.
My point is, just because it doesn’t work for you, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work for some people. Remember Apple is out to make money, and grow market share. A lower priced MacBook Pro may help that.
Exactly, that's because Surface is cheaper so the expectation is not high. But in all fairness, I did aim for Surface and bash Microsoft for having 4GB RAM. No bias here. Company that tries to rip off its customer gets bashed.
raqball
macrumors 68020
Agree... The Surface Laptop is $999.. It and the 2017 Macbook both have an i5 with a 128GB SSD and the Mac is $1299.. So Apple is basically charging $300 for 4 more GB of RAM... LOL
At any rate, the new Surface Laptop is also overprice for what you get..
And thunderbolt 3, usb-c, (arguably) better Keyboard, probably better battery life, macOS, etc.
I do get your point. I’m not saying it’s right, but there has always been the “Apple tax”.
New_Mac_Smell
macrumors 68000
128gb is just fine for people who use it professionally with VPN's, or as a mobile unit. Obviously if you're looking for a home computer to store all your pictures and occasionally open SketchUp then it's not the machine for you.
All Apple have done is reduce specs to allow for a cheaper model for those that don't need the extra space, of which there will be a lot as increasingly files are held on central servers and not a users computer (For a multitude of reasons). I don't know what people want anymore with these things, people just seem to complain about every little thing these days. If you need the machine it really is a no brainer, if you're using it for personal use it's always been an expensive purchase.
All Apple have done is reduce specs to allow for a cheaper model for those that don't need the extra space, of which there will be a lot as increasingly files are held on central servers and not a users computer (For a multitude of reasons). I don't know what people want anymore with these things, people just seem to complain about every little thing these days. If you need the machine it really is a no brainer, if you're using it for personal use it's always been an expensive purchase.
Sensamic
macrumors 68040
Can't believe people defend this. We are the consumers and we should fight together to make our money worth it.
It does affect everyone, because someone who wants 256GB SSD is still going to pay overprice.
Don't people understand that less money we spend = better for ALL of us?
It does affect everyone, because someone who wants 256GB SSD is still going to pay overprice.
Don't people understand that less money we spend = better for ALL of us?
The Mercurian
macrumors 68020
Why would people here be up in arms about Surface pricing ? Its a mac user forum. This is the first I heard of the Surface price change you mention, and since I've never considered one my reaction is....meh!?! Presumably if you go to Surfacerumours.com they were in uproar !!?!?!
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+1000.
Also. Supposing you don't mind 128GB. You should of course, but lets suppose you don't. They stood on stage and called it a price drop. But its not a price drop - its a spec drop. And the equivalent spec price didn't change. Or in Europe - it went up! Simply put - > Apple lied to their customers on stage. That SHOULD annoy everyone.
New_Mac_Smell
macrumors 68000
Of course people understand that. But they also understand that Apple don't use a budget SSD you can get on eBay for $40, and that things actually cost money. Apple aren't a budget brand, plenty of other manufacturers cater for budget consumers. But you can't expect a budget machine to have the same class of components as a premium one surely? I $500 HP is not the same as a $2000 HP, even though the 'specs', at least the numbers, might appear so.
If it was a 128gb SSD with a R/W of 300MBs I could understand. And if all you care about is space and not quality or speed then again Apple is not the company making that kind of device. That's been the case for many years and isn't going to change as it's their market.
You must not have been monitoring the forum during the Microsoft Keynote. . . there were probably 20+ pages on the new surface laptop. Not many giving them the thrashing, most quite the contrary.
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
I do almost everything on the cloud that I can. I've got some 160GB of data in Google Drive (92GB of that is stored for free as photo/video storage). That means my Macbook Air 11 (2015) 128GB is 98% free in space. I listen to my music on Google Music and stream all my videos via Netflix, iTunes, etc...
No, I'm not justifying 128GB - I'm asking if that's why Apple went back to 128GB because there are more people like me? (I'd like to think so).
Yes, 128GB is offensive especially when I got my 128GB Macbook Air 11 in 2015 for under $800 at Best Buy.......
No, I'm not justifying 128GB - I'm asking if that's why Apple went back to 128GB because there are more people like me? (I'd like to think so).
Yes, 128GB is offensive especially when I got my 128GB Macbook Air 11 in 2015 for under $800 at Best Buy.......
ZapNZs
macrumors 68020
I'm far from the person that defends Apple's every action, and without a SD slot I think a 128 GB option is pretty silly, but I do NOT personally consider that misleading.
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
Fair, I can now see what he's referring to from what he's saying, knowing what I now know and hindsight being 20/20 but I still thought it was misleading.
If they had two different configurations, why not show $1299 and $1499 right beneath it for the 'no touch bar' column?
Instead they went with disintegrating 1499 graphic, and replacing it with 1299.
To me, that leads one to believe gone is 1499 and in is 1299, for the equivalent comparable base nTB that it replaced from the later part of 2016 (7 months ago?)
Sensamic
macrumors 68040
I'm not saying they should sell their products at the same price as a budget laptop.
I'm saying stop with the super high Apple tax. I can understand Apple is more expensive. I hate Windows and don't want to go back.
But 1.299$/1.499€ in Europe for 128GB is going too far!
It's actually 1.499€ in Europe!! For 128GB!! That can't be accepted by any means.
Same opinion here. I feel Surface Laptop is overpriced. It does have sleek svelte design like Apple but MS is really charging a lot for that laptop. Surface Pro is better if you like convertible but need to fork extra money for the keyboard.
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Erm....I am interested to know how you are going to manage your MBP storage space with 128GB SSD?
128GB is not fine. To start off, the real usable capacity is 120GB. Then we need to discount for Operating System and leaving 15-20% of capacity to avoid having performance drop. OS takes about 15-20GB. 15-20% capacity is about 18-24GB. In total that already takes about 30-45GB. That leaves us with about 80GB effective usable space. Apps (I am assuming people are going to use content creation apps with Pro), Libraries for add-on packages, files to work with (can't expect to keep everything in ext HDD, right?), app caching. It's just not enough.
Well....maybe it is if we are going to use our macbook Pro for web browsing, youtube, and text-editing. But then, why would we get a macbook Pro for that kind of usage?
The lower priced model is useful for some customers. Companies that provide MBPs to their employees might be find with the 128GB drive and like the $200 less entry point. Some companies lock down their machines and do not want users installing non-approved applications or media files. And they buy 100s or 1,000s of units a year
Giving my head a shake at the strategy here.
I mean if you go through all that whole PR stunt a few months ago saying how you're listening to your pro customers and then pull move like this.
Yes, you're getting a slight uptick with Kaby Lake.
I'd rather they'd split the difference and only give us a 256gb version at $1399
I mean if you go through all that whole PR stunt a few months ago saying how you're listening to your pro customers and then pull move like this.
Yes, you're getting a slight uptick with Kaby Lake.
I'd rather they'd split the difference and only give us a 256gb version at $1399
Queen6
macrumors G4
I think the same as it was somewhat disingenuous, rather implying a price cut was in effect, not the introduction of a lower tier option. Just an insight into how Apple projects itself these days
Potentially a reaction to the upcoming Surface Pro, being a far more versatile device at similar price points, while Apple is locked into it's ageing paradigm of the basic clamshell notebook.
Q-6
I think the same as it was somewhat disingenuous, rather implying a price cut was in effect, not the introduction of a lower tier option. Just an insight into how Apple projects itself these days
Potentially a reaction to the upcoming Surface Pro, being a far more versatile device at similar price points, while Apple is locked into it's ageing paradigm of the basic clamshell notebook.
Q-6
Apple is a bit trapped by the success of the iPad.
And I noticed that they paid more attention to the iPad Pro and making it a replacement to a laptop for more and more users. Also, with the upcoming changes to IOS, maybe it will be a better platform for many users with lighter computing needs.
Queen6
macrumors G4
Simple to me is just more talk, nothing more nothing less. Apple desperately wants to retain it's professional community for the kudos and the hallo effect, yet Apple wants to sell midstream consumer hardware with very generous margins. Figuring out the priorities is easy. When Apple delivers we will see, as for the talking not interested as they have been talking for years and delivering nothing spectacular in the PC space for longer...
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robvas
macrumors 68040
iPad sales have tanked
Queen6
macrumors G4
Totally agree, equally I just don't see the IPP as the same class of hardware as the upcoming new SP as long as you are fine with the OS the SP is a vastly more productive device. My only real issue with SP4 was the poor battery life, which for me the Surface Book delivers in spades.
Fundamentally I do believe Apple should have had more foresight in the past and looked harder at a touchscreen Mac, as now 2 in 1's are really starting to come in to their own and Apple have painted themselves into a corner with IOS, albeit a very profitable one. Apple now seems have lost the drive and simply reinventing the same over and over.
So much interesting hardware on the PC side these day and upcoming, not to say it's all good it's not, equally at least some are thinking differently, willing to put it out there. You would think with all Apple's vast resources they could do better, well I do at least...
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