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Erm....I am interested to know how you are going to manage your MBP storage space with 128GB SSD?

128GB is not fine. To start off, the real usable capacity is 120GB. Then we need to discount for Operating System and leaving 15-20% of capacity to avoid having performance drop. OS takes about 15-20GB. 15-20% capacity is about 18-24GB. In total that already takes about 30-45GB. That leaves us with about 80GB effective usable space. Apps (I am assuming people are going to use content creation apps with Pro), Libraries for add-on packages, files to work with (can't expect to keep everything in ext HDD, right?), app caching. It's just not enough.

Well....maybe it is if we are going to use our macbook Pro for web browsing, youtube, and text-editing. But then, why would we get a macbook Pro for that kind of usage?

Erm... I wouldn't be able to manage with 128gb which is why I have a 512gb model, as that fits my personal use case (I need around 200GB working space, 1TB would be great but I would never like to trust having that much data in a single place). However if I was back working full-time rather than freelance, it would absolutely be enough. I would only need AI/PS/ID which doesn't take up much space, the company didn't pay me to do anything else. All files are stored on a central server so that other people can work on them or take over. Nothing is stored locally due to NDA and copyright issues. We had a number of small HDD Macs which project managers would use to run conferencing software or for producing the live shows, they did not need 1TB of disk space to run Keynote and have a live-feed of cameras. But they did require a Mac, and they did want something portable, that wouldn't fail, and had more than an hours battery life. Our video editors worked entirely from external drives (Which shouldn't really come as a surprise given the massive file sizes, they had a 60TB array all to themselves).

Either way being upset at the cost is just irrelevant. I use my computer as a professional device, the hardware costs are minimal compared to the value of the data. I need something that is reliable and not going to cost me thousands in lost revenue if something goes wrong. So I really don't care if the computer is $1500, or $1700 or whatever (Within reason of course).

Again my point is, 128GB is ample for a lot of uses, and it is good that Apple offer a cheaper package for those who don't need a computer as a portable working rig but more of an access point. Companies buy hundreds of these and it will please them to not have to pay extra for something they wouldn't make use of. There's also plenty of other uses where this is enough. Unless you have it for personal reasons, don't make money from it, just 'want' it, or would like it for hobby reasons, it really shouldn't be an issue.
 
Erm... I wouldn't be able to manage with 128gb which is why I have a 512gb model, as that fits my personal use case (I need around 200GB working space, 1TB would be great but I would never like to trust having that much data in a single place). However if I was back working full-time rather than freelance, it would absolutely be enough. I would only need AI/PS/ID which doesn't take up much space, the company didn't pay me to do anything else. All files are stored on a central server so that other people can work on them or take over. Nothing is stored locally due to NDA and copyright issues. We had a number of small HDD Macs which project managers would use to run conferencing software or for producing the live shows, they did not need 1TB of disk space to run Keynote and have a live-feed of cameras. But they did require a Mac, and they did want something portable, that wouldn't fail, and had more than an hours battery life. Our video editors worked entirely from external drives (Which shouldn't really come as a surprise given the massive file sizes, they had a 60TB array all to themselves).

Either way being upset at the cost is just irrelevant. I use my computer as a professional device, the hardware costs are minimal compared to the value of the data. I need something that is reliable and not going to cost me thousands in lost revenue if something goes wrong. So I really don't care if the computer is $1500, or $1700 or whatever (Within reason of course).

Again my point is, 128GB is ample for a lot of uses, and it is good that Apple offer a cheaper package for those who don't need a computer as a portable working rig but more of an access point. Companies buy hundreds of these and it will please them to not have to pay extra for something they wouldn't make use of. There's also plenty of other uses where this is enough. Unless you have it for personal reasons, don't make money from it, just 'want' it, or would like it for hobby reasons, it really shouldn't be an issue.

Yup. 128 GB is hard to manage with. I believe most of people here doesnt ask for 1TB storage space. 256GB or 512GB would be sweet given the price Apple is going with.

And sure, being upset at the cost for a machine that makes money is irrelevant. Provided the money made are able to justify the cost. Hardware cost being minimal compared to value of data? Another good point. A lot of good points are made here but let's get back to the main issue, Apple is selling something that is regarded as overpriced by people (esp in this forum). Should we be mad for Apple selling 128GB laptop at that price? No. As long as there is people buying it, they can sell at whatever price they want. Problem is, Apple made it look like they're dropping price for 13" nTB Macbook Pro and that mislead people. The frustration comes from expectation that was being built up but not met.

Will there people buying 128GB nTB MBP? Definitely.
Will there be company who are happy to save $200 as an entry barrier to get a MBP? Sure.

Is 128GB ample for lot of uses? Let's agree to disagree :)
 
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You must not have been monitoring the forum during the Microsoft Keynote. . . there were probably 20+ pages on the new surface laptop. Not many giving them the thrashing, most quite the contrary.

Fair enough. Surface just not on my radar at all!
 
I think the problem has nothing to do with the appearance of a 128 GB option.

The problem is that most very much wished / expected / hoped for some price reduction on the existing configurations, on the grounds that (1) the prices had increased quite a bit in Fall 2016, and (2) this update is much more modest (essentially just a spec bump on the MBP). And this is on machines where nothing is user upgradeable. I was certainly not expecting the 256 GB configuration to go up in price in my country, but it did. Besides, recent currency exchange rates do not support this price increase, quite the opposite actually.

I could not care much if the basic configuration gets only 128 GB, provided the price of the configurations most people need is reasonable or becomes more so.
 
It's nothing to do with cost it's how Apple represented itself...

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I'm sure the margin breakdowns between 128 and 256 at this point for Apple, pales in comparison to the $200 upcharge to have matched base rMB storage capacity, and is probably offensively small if one were to find out :D

Potentially barely eclipsing the single digit range, for all we know, for as much as they have a hand in storage supply to be able to ship products in mass quantities for the demand,
 
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It's nothing to do with cost it's how Apple represented itself...

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How so? They said on stage something like "new entry level model starting at 1299.00" *puff of smoke*. I believe it was Schiller on stage, and he didn't say "we're lowering the price of the entry level model to XXXXX".

It's marketing. Plain and simple. Also, to point out the same thing... when Microsoft announced the Surface Laptop a month ago "starting at 999" they neglected to mention that model was packing 4gb / 128gb.

Marketing isn't as much about what is said, but sometimes what is left unsaid. Yay capitalism!
 
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How so? They said on stage something like "new entry level model starting at 1299.00" *puff of smoke*. I believe it was Schiller on stage, and he didn't say "we're lowering the price of the entry level model to XXXXX".

It's marketing. Plain and simple. Also, to point out the same thing... when Microsoft announced the Surface Laptop a month ago "starting at 999" they neglected to mention that model was packing 4gb / 128gb.

Marketing isn't as much about what is said, but sometimes what is left unsaid. Yay capitalism!

It wasn't Schiller

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-new-cheaper-13-model-is-128gb.2048555/#post-24649034
 
How so? They said on stage something like "new entry level model starting at 1299.00" *puff of smoke*. I believe it was Schiller on stage, and he didn't say "we're lowering the price of the entry level model to XXXXX".

It's marketing. Plain and simple. Also, to point out the same thing... when Microsoft announced the Surface Laptop a month ago "starting at 999" they neglected to mention that model was packing 4gb / 128gb.

Marketing isn't as much about what is said, but sometimes what is left unsaid. Yay capitalism!

Exactly, we all know what was implied...

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I'm sure the margin breakdowns between 128 and 256 at this point for Apple, pales in comparison to the $200 upcharge to have matched base rMB storage capacity, and is probably offensively small if one were to find out :D

Potentially barely eclipsing the single digit range, for all we know, for as much as they have a hand in storage supply to be able to ship products in mass quantities for the demand,

Apple is very smart, especially with it's in-house upgrades, how it handles it's customers & suppliers. There's good reason why Apple has so much money in the bank, equally there is also a point where they are blatantly taking advantage, pretty close to that one now...

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https://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2017/

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misleading but he says
'were gonna have a new configuration of MacBook Pro that starts at just 1299'

as the 1499 no-touchbar has a disintegration animation into 1299, on the projected image lol

Actually he says:

'we're gonna bring more value here as well because we're gonna have a new configuration of MacBook Pro that also starts at just 1299'

It was completely misleading. He had also just said they were gettign KabyLake - thats the new configuration one would assume he meant without seeing the specs
 
Actually he says:

'we're gonna bring more value here as well because we're gonna have a new configuration of MacBook Pro that also starts at just 1299'

It was completely misleading. He had also just said they were gettign KabyLake - thats the new configuration one would assume he meant without seeing the specs

yeah this is verbatim what he says,

I short handed it inaccurately, my bad. good catch!

its definitely misleading.

why would he have such an enthusiastic tone about a "new configuration" -- do you mean inadequate, garbage, bait and switch config with half the storage that the base model was 7 months ago? haha

its just gonna leave a bad taste for people who are new to Mac world, think 128 is ok, and learn that it isn't.
 
Actually he says:

'we're gonna bring more value here as well because we're gonna have a new configuration of MacBook Pro that also starts at just 1299'

It was completely misleading. He had also just said they were gettign KabyLake - thats the new configuration one would assume he meant without seeing the specs

Correct me if I'am wrong did Apple not make splash on release of the 2016 MBP "now starting with 256 SSD" Is what it is just a cheap marketing move...

Q-6
 
Correct me if I'am wrong did Apple not make splash on release of the 2016 MBP "now starting with 256 SSD" Is what it is just a cheap marketing move...

Q-6
Eh - I don't remember to be honest. But yeah - it is just a marketing move.....thought not a 'cheap' one ;)

Honestly. I feel its disrespectful to their customer base to mislead like this.
 
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Eh - I don't remember to be honest. But yeah - it is just a marketing move.....thought not a 'cheap' one ;)

Honestly. I feel its disrespectful to their customer base to mislead like this.

Not nearly as confining, but its like if Apple touted "we got an iPhone 7S, now at a starting price of $549" to get lots of headlines, and they reduced the storage from 32gb base to 16gb without telling people explicitly at the announcement until you check out after years of moaning that 16gb is too low on the entry level even from pro-Apple publications (most are pro-Apple).. And discovering the 32gb is $649, the price that it was with previous generation.

it would be a big ole WTF moment like this kinda is,
 
Not nearly as confining, but its like if Apple touted "we got an iPhone 7S, now at a starting price of $549" to get lots of headlines, and they reduced the storage from 32gb base to 16gb without telling people explicitly at the announcement until you check out after years of moaning that 16gb is too low on the entry level even from pro-Apple publications (most are pro-Apple).. And discovering the 32gb is $649, the price that it was with previous generation.

it would be a big ole WTF moment like this kinda is,

This fixed memory BS is one of the reasons I left iPhones and IOS. My S8 has 64GB and a card slot. And then Samsung gave me a 256 GB card.
 
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Eh - I don't remember to be honest. But yeah - it is just a marketing move.....thought not a 'cheap' one ;)

Honestly. I feel its disrespectful to their customer base to mislead like this.

Some would call it "courage." I tend to lean more towards "arrogance."

Arrogance is what led to the trash can design, which they finally realized was hamstrung from the start. ("Can't innovate, my ass.")
 
Is suppose it replaces the 2015 models which still were for sale for their original price. Although they were cheaper.
 
Is suppose it replaces the 2015 models which still were for sale for their original price. Although they were cheaper.

I just checked the maxed CPU and SSD 2015 config where I am -> €3,379 :eek:
That is at best the same price as 2015, but I think it may have gone up slightly.
Pure greed.
 
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I just checked the maxed CPU and SSD 2015 config where I am -> €3,379 :eek:
That is at best the same price as 2015, but I think it may have gone up slightly.
Pure greed.

the richest company in the world charges high prices now there's a shock!!

Come on guys what was said is absolutely accurate, if you heard what you wanted that's on you not them. Its not like it isn't all spelled out to the penny what everything costs on their website. Don't like it don't buy it simple.
 
Well....maybe it is if we are going to use our macbook Pro for web browsing, youtube, and text-editing. But then, why would we get a macbook Pro for that kind of usage?

Because what other option do Apple give for a 13" laptop with a decent screen. The MBA screen is not great and the Macbooks 12" screen is too small for me personally. I still use a 2011 13" MBA for web browsing and youtube ect and its great, its just the screen that lets it down. I think the real issue is the Macbook Pros are the only real option yet they are priced to way high for the specs they give you. God help Apple if PC laptops ever start using a trackpad on par with Apples, if that happens i will be officially done with Apple altogether.
 
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Why would people here be up in arms about Surface pricing ? Its a mac user forum. This is the first I heard of the Surface price change you mention, and since I've never considered one my reaction is....meh!?! Presumably if you go to Surfacerumours.com they were in uproar !!?!?!
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+1000.

Also. Supposing you don't mind 128GB. You should of course, but lets suppose you don't. They stood on stage and called it a price drop. But its not a price drop - its a spec drop. And the equivalent spec price didn't change. Or in Europe - it went up! Simply put - > Apple lied to their customers on stage. That SHOULD annoy everyone.
As I already said, it is a price drop because the entry model is now £200 less. When the new Pro was launched in November the old 2015 retina was the entry level at £1250, so you are getting a newer version for less. The only trade off is the 128GB which was the same as the 2015 model.

Jesus, don't buy it if it's an issue!
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This fixed memory BS is one of the reasons I left iPhones and IOS. My S8 has 64GB and a card slot. And then Samsung gave me a 256 GB card.
This is your usage means and requirements. I use 32GB iPhones because I don't install a hell of a lot of large applications and most of my storage is cloud based. Therefore, I would rather have a superior UI/OS with restricted storage than one I don't enjoy as much (I've had many Samsungs in the past for a few months here and there) with other storage options.
 
I noticed this too. Was very excited for the price drop, when in reality it was a price increase – when you add the $250 to upgrade to the 256GB comparable to last year's model, this year's MBP is actually more expensive.
 
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As I already said, it is a price drop because the entry model is now £200 less. When the new Pro was launched in November the old 2015 retina was the entry level at £1250, so you are getting a newer version for less. The only trade off is the 128GB which was the same as the 2015 model.

Jesus, don't buy it if it's an issue!

The 256GB model is the same price as it was before => not a price drop. To think anything else is purely fanboi logic.

I've no intention of buying one - but I take it as an insult to be lied to so brazenly.
 
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