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The New iTunes Downgrade!

easy work around

The only way to get around this other than not downloading the update is to move 4.0 out of your applications folder before running SU. 4.0.1 goes ino the applications folder and 4.0 stays untouched. This lets you run 4.0 with its streaming abilities but givess you 4.0.1 with the sound improvments.
I cant give up listening to my entire collection from work each day.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
How many people are your giving access to your work server? the max? 5?
Okay so even with simple cable you can probably support this... even I could.
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The problem is that (outside of a self-contained network as appears to be Rower's case) bandwidth is shared, and, on average, each user has significantly less than a cable modem's bandwidth to play with. This works because, generally speaking, only a small percentage of users are actively downloading something from the Internet at once. If all users were downloading files (or streaming tunes) at my business (and, for that matter, at any of the locations I've worked at in the past five years) we'd all get about 50-60kbps, ie, about one dial-up modem each, bandwith going external (ie, to the Internet or through the VPN ... VPN overhead being as it is that would get about cut in half). That's not even enough bandwidth for one half of a 128kbps MP3 or AAC file stream, even neglecting streaming overhead! It's nowhere near able to support even 10% of all users having 5 streams outgoing or incoming plus their "normal" traffic (which itself requires the full 50-60kbps). If 1% of our users had 5 streams going external (incoming or outgoing, it doesn't matter) then our bandwidth is cut by 10%. Which means that the folks that are doing real work with the net connection get it done 10% slower.

Locally, I have a dozen computers attached to two 100Mbit switches in my office. Between them, i've got bandwidth to spare and it affects no one (but music streaming is pretty much useless). Within our LAN we have enough bandwidth to allow for extravagences like iTunes streaming (which is far better than internet Radio streaming which uses external bandwidth!)

The point is this: it adds up, and quickly. Yes, one person streaming is fairly small beans in a large company. But multiple people streaming causes problems, and the whole company streaming can shut down a network.

Note that this is not addressed to Rower's specific (and highly special) circumstances, but to the general idea that streaming between work and home is okay because you're only using one cable modem's bandwidth ...
 
Re: Re: Re: IT DOESN"T SCALE

Originally posted by AidenShaw
You really mean "the taxpayers who support the state university system pick up the bill". LOL!!!

All your equipment is free, the backbone is free, the carriers give you free bandwidth, there are no costs.... ROTFLOL!!!
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Yes. The equipment is in place, the bandwidth is allocated, the tech staff are paid REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE NETWORK IS USED.(Gee, color is fun)

I, as a taxpayer and student of the university, have contributed more than enough to warrant the use of the network. Laugh if you wish, but your accusations don't apply to me.
 
Re: Re: Re: Note that I said "the IT departments"

Originally posted by jettredmont
Well, as an uninvolved observer on the sidelines, I think both of you are making a bit much of this.

An academic network (generally incurring no bandwidth-to-backbone costs ...) will not suffer too much from this "work-to-home" streaming, especially if "work" and "home" are both within the bounds of the on-campus network.

Most of us are more used to dealing with limited-bandwidth situations as are seen in businesses across the country.

True, but it would be hypocritical for you (as the IT head) to use iTunes sharing and forbid others to use it (or similar streaming services). Does your network really have the bandwidth (internal and external) to handle a majority of your users doing the same?

Seems to me, as someone who doesn't know the "whole story", that it would be odd for any network to be so oversized, a product of good planning for the future and fortunate timing.

But, as you have pointed out, you are the head of IT, and so you are the one who has to pay for the precedent you set up and the one who has to justify the cost of additional equipment if it comes to that.

Note I'm not accusing you or saying you are doing something wrong here (as I said, if anyone is hurt by it, it's yourself). But do recognize that you are in a quite special circumstance and that for the vast majority of people out there, streaming music between work and home would be a Very Bad Thing.
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I do not forbid others to do anything on our network. We are a small department of about 10 staff, and 10 part-timers, with only 6 people on Macs. Again, the numbers don't apply to my situation.

As I've said in my previous response to AidenShaw, I understand how for other situations it would be a VBT. I was simply speaking up for my own situation.
 
I think you are out of luck dude. I believe that Apple is the only one that let's people download iTunes and they're not going to let you have 4.0.

P-Worm
 
On the plus side...

- iTunes definately starts up faster (1 bounce instead of 2 and less waiting between bounces end and window shows)

- The sound issues have all gone! (As far as I can tell)

- No dropouts as-yet (touch wood)

AppleMatt
 
Okay, maybe I'm missing something here. I'm still running iTunes4, but how the heck do you stream music to another computer on the net??

Does this also make me a "bad guy"?

edit: oh and digi, do a system wide search for iTunes, and the original install packet will be hidden someplace deep in the bowels of your hard drive. also delete everything else with iTunes in it except the plist and your iTunes music library.
 
Originally posted by punter
we need a poll:

who's staying with 4.0 and who's upgrading?

I think I'll stay for now. I don't even use the streaming (none of my friends are broadband let alone mac users), but it doesn't sound like I'll gain much from the upgrade.
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dude, join the revolution: i'm still proudly using itunes 3 on my os9 blue and white powermac upgraded w/ G4 ZIF. streaming? i'll take philosomatika or cliqhop anyday of the week. besides, with someone else doing the ripping/broadcasting/sequencing, of just about every song you've never heard, and several you have and wish you hadn't (there the "those awful 70's" station...), if you need a break from it all, you can always shut off the computer, turn around and put on some vinyl. works for me, every time.

seriously, though, i was completely unaware of this sharing feature in itunes. i imagine what they are aiming to do ultimately is set up a system whereby your tunes on your home computer will be able to "xm" or whatever to your car, workplace, etc. via internet/satellite/etc., so it'll always be your preferred selections (ie your own library), your paid-for music (no fair use issues there), and really add value in a way not previously possible. with systems like cadillac onstar (which allows telephone calls etc. w/o using a car cell phone), etc., i'd be surprised if this feature isn't a big selling point in auto radios during the next 3 years.

if someone here has already made the points i've mentioned, please accept my apologies for the redundancy; after reading about 4 pages of everything from intelligent thought to whiny rambling, i figured i'd just take my shot and get back to work! always a pleasure to read the fine minds here, though.

vixapphire
 
I would also like to know how to stream music over the internet just from my office computer to my home computer or vice versa. I have DSL at both places that I personally pay for. I see under the Advanced tab that you can open a stream but I am not sure how to do this. Do i put only the IP address? I also claim ignorance on authorizing and deauthorizing . If I download music on one computer that I have purchased how do I get it to another of my 3 computers permanently. I can easily share the files on my home network but I cannot get the second or third computer to authorize it and be a permanent part of my music library. Any help would be appreciated.

Recent PC to Mac convert.
 
Originally posted by jettredmont
Seems to me Jobs used the feature in his iTMS grand opening presentation ...

That doesn't mean it wasn't an oversight, but at least at the time iTunes4 debuted, Jobs didn't see it as a threat.
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I don't believe Steve EVER used this feature in his Keynoye. He is the network streaming feature.(Over Airport Extreme, on the same subnet)
 
Originally posted by MacBoy88
I don't believe Steve EVER used this feature in his Keynoye. He is the network streaming feature.(Over Airport Extreme, on the same subnet)
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certainly could be wrong. Just thought he brought up the "Connect to Music" panel and noted that you can connect to your music from anywhere as a side note.

A bit off topic, well sorta not really, but iTunes still has "Open Stream" under Advanced ... so does that not open an iTunes stream (I believe it always opened radio streams)? Has anyone tried it?
 
Re: Oh man, reminds me of what used to be internet radio

Originally posted by patman_Z
Also Id like to add that the RIAA is in fact putting viruses on the networks. I think that is the most childish, unprofessional thing I have ever seen from a group that is supposed to have authority. Maybe they are just mad because of all this technology, they are no longer needed, and completely neutered of all real value.....
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I had heard about something like that, but I also heard that they're not allowed to do that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
itunes 4.0.1 problems

i downloaded and installed 4.0.1 last night, and haven't been able to get it to recognize my 30gb ipod. anybody else having similar problems?
 
Originally posted by ouketii
steve jobs: "theres always a way to hack anything" think hes hinting something?
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you never know, WWDC is only 3 weeks away.....
Maybe a more secure OSX(10.3)
 
Re: Re: Oh man, reminds me of what used to be internet radio

Originally posted by rockman2023
I had heard about something like that, but I also heard that they're not allowed to do that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yes, what they are doing is just as ILLEGAL as whatever the users themselves are doing.

Anyone hear that they spammed all the users on KaZaA at the same time, that breached the software contract they agreed to, hence dis-allowing them from connecting to the network.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
Really, no one shares my subnet. No one in my block, area, 20 block radius uses a mac.

It Wouldn't be so hard for apple just to SIMPLY stop downloading? I mean it is way easier than what they just did.

Apple based the sharing on an un-secure protocol, which was broken very, very quickly.

What apple could have done was made their own (innovation, *gasp*) and made sure you couldn't access using these evil tools.

Its not as hard as this was!
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Do you seriously think that replacing DAPP with RTSP or something similar would be less work than removing the feature alltogether?

Fact is, they can't just "Stop the downloading". They'd have to come up with a much more secure protocol, write all of the iTunes support for it and yeah... think nightmare.
 
Re: Quality of Sound

Originally posted by JJTiger1

Does iTunes 4.0.1 fix the Sound Quality issues?


Sharing issues: Frankly my dear, I don't give a ...

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JJ
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YES. iTUNES 4.0.1 DID FIX THE SOUND QUALITY ISSUES.

... and I still don't give a rat's ~ about sharing.
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JJ
 
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