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Well I am no fan of Tim Cook. But to be fair, it was Steve Jobs who started the whole “impossibly thin” craze. Remember this? IIRC, the “impossibly thin” quote actually came from an iPod commercial, but I can’t seem to find it now. Anyway, Apple headed down that road quite some time ago and knowing Tim Cook, he wouldn’t have continued it if it didn’t sell.
To be fair to Steve, while thin makes sense (to a point) for mobile systems, it makes little sense for the desktop beyond the current design esthetic that drives this fixation. To be sure, smaller (as in the Mini) is better for many applications, but "smaller" doesn't mean "thin to the point of anorexia" either. I suspect Mr Jobs would not have been impressed by design considerations forcing engineering into too-hot and underpowered products.

As for continuing to follow this path because it sells, there is no choice between thick+just-works or thin+could-work-better in Apple's iMac and current Pro line. A collective worry is that the Mini, if it survives, will follow this trend.
 
I suspect Mr Jobs would not have been impressed by design considerations forcing engineering into too-hot and underpowered products.

I'm a huge Steve Jobs fan and followed him closely after getting Apple ][ in 1978. You may not remember the original Macintosh and Mac Plus. Steve stubbornly refused to put a fan inside the box and quite a lot of these ended up with fried circuit boards (including the one we had at work). The spot on the case opposite the power supply became known as "Hades corner". ;)

There are plenty of examples where Steve's "hang-ups" limited the usefulness of the Mac over the years. Like I said, I still admire him - and miss him - but that doesn't mean we should ignore his shortcomings. One thing is sure... Apple was in better hands when he was here. :(
 
The midi skirt followed the mini skirt.
Why not change fashion eras, and go with a cheap, upgradable Mac Midi?
I could live with a box 4-5 inches high, and at current circuit densities, you could load some major circuitry in there.
Maybe even decent I/O options.
Heat problems would be a thing of the past.
We all went bulbous from 2000-2005. After 13 years, why not change to a clean slate, with new possibilities?
Be nice to be able to get down to the metal again.
Probably have enough go-juice to handle ballistic missile targeting through a real-time short wave link.
 
I'm surprised they don't clear out these older products from the store. The space they take up on the store shelves has to be pretty expensive.
 
Apple was in better hands when he was here.
Despite his desire to eliminate a user facing file system, and a tendency to bury torx screws too deep to get at with a standard driver.

@cobracnvt For some purposes, they're still exactly the right tool. We have power saws now, but for some jobs, what you want is a good hand saw. Have a look into Raspberry Pi's. Fantastic little $35 Linux boxes for a variety of uses.
 
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Despite his desire to eliminate a user facing file system, and a tendency to bury torx screws too deep to get at with a standard driver.

Well.... you decided not to quote the part of my post that said

There are plenty of examples where Steve's "hang-ups" limited the usefulness of the Mac over the years. Like I said, I still admire him - and miss him - but that doesn't mean we should ignore his shortcomings.
 
Often when there's a change at the helm the next person has a solitary focus to show that they have made change - not necessarily change for the better. i think a lot of that has occurred at Apple and the politics have weighed heavily on the product-line in terms of profits instead of quality and product range.
 
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Just installed TG Pro on a 2012 Mini and was surprised to see it running at 55°C max and HDD at 32°C. I never had a Mac running this cool. It could probably last another six years. Now if only the Magic Keyboard had a Touch Bar and Touch ID. Make Apple Great Again!
 
What amazes me is that Apple still sells the mini with no refresh, at the same price.

In Europe prices went UP by in October 2016 due to poor exchange rate (and in the UK, this was in part brought on following the BREXIT vote). Official UK refurb Mac Minis go down to roughly the price they were before the increase.

The 2015 iMac went up the same day and was also not spec bumped.

The difference was the iMac got its upgrade in June 2017 crucially getting the USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 port that the Mini is begging for.

While a price cut might satisfy some folks only a complete refresh will be useful for potential Mini buyers since Apple need to unify the Mac range on Thunderbolt 3 by the time the new Apple Displays come out.
 
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Well I am no fan of Tim Cook. But to be fair, it was Steve Jobs who started the whole “impossibly thin” craze. Remember this? IIRC, the “impossibly thin” quote actually came from an iPod commercial, but I can’t seem to find it now. Anyway, Apple headed down that road quite some time ago and knowing Tim Cook, he wouldn’t have continued it if it didn’t sell. ;)

I have no problem with "thin". My issue is with the obsession with getting everything as thin as possible, and sacrificing quality (e.g., laptop keyboards that are crap). With the reputation that Apple is building with their butterfly switch keyboard, it remains to be seen how well they really sell. I, for one, have held off on purchasing a replacement laptop because of this issue, and I know of several other family members and friends who, likewise, are not considering a purchase at this time.

Yes, Steve Jobs introduced the MacBook Air, but he did not convert the entire line of laptop computers to require these keyboards. This is ok. Obsession with squeezing another nanometer out of the spec is, as I said earlier, stupid.
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Often when there's a change at the helm the next person has a solitary focus to show that they have made change - not necessarily change for the better. i think a lot of that has occurred at Apple and the politics have weighed heavily on the product-line in terms of profits instead of quality and product range.

True fact.

In sports, it's often said that it's best not to be the guy to follow a legendary coach. Your chance of making a significant mark is to be the guy that follows the guy who follows the legend. The same may very well be said of the Jobs-Cook transition.

Colore me absolutely unimpressed.
 
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I'm a huge Steve Jobs fan and followed him closely after getting Apple ][ in 1978. You may not remember the original Macintosh and Mac Plus. Steve stubbornly refused to put a fan inside the box and quite a lot of these ended up with fried circuit boards (including the one we had at work). The spot on the case opposite the power supply became known as "Hades corner". ;)

There are plenty of examples where Steve's "hang-ups" limited the usefulness of the Mac over the years. Like I said, I still admire him - and miss him - but that doesn't mean we should ignore his shortcomings. One thing is sure... Apple was in better hands when he was here. :(

Not to forget the fiasco with the G4 Cube...
 
Not to forget the fiasco with the G4 Cube...

The Apple llgs which was Steve Wozniaks design and the first 16bit architecture and the idea was from then on everything would be backwards compatible but the company went with the Mac systems.
 
It's odd - the traditional desktop is where it all started - you'd think it would be bristling with innovation as the epicenter of development but instead it languishes while the formats of laptops, AIO and smartphones get more attention - I think I know why.

I digress, I've been in IT-Telecommunications for 30 years and now it has finally gotten to the point where the presence of a desk phone on the desk is almost an oddity - the desk phone has been consumed by it's own technology and blended into the computer infrastructure appearing as one inclusive device which minimizes support, infrastructure and cost.

In the same way - the power of a system today is it's inclusivity - in other words, it's complete within itself - you don't need to add a keyboard or mouse. I think the idea of having to connect a keyboard, monitor and mouse is being presented as "old-school, cobbled, ancient, inefficient and static" - certainly not progressive and state-of-the-art so to speak.

It is old, the look and feel of desktop computing especially when many movies depict computer interfaces with more elegance and less involvement. It's time for that keyboard to step up and out - the desktop may highlight once again, but only briefly perhaps, once the hologram or projection technologies emerge - only to vanish again when those technologies or power sources mature.

It's time!

Ahhh, the days of CompUSA ... heaven!
 
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Just installed TG Pro on a 2012 Mini and was surprised to see it running at 55°C max and HDD at 32°C. I never had a Mac running this cool. It could probably last another six years. Now if only the Magic Keyboard had a Touch Bar and Touch ID. Make Apple Great Again!
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As long as they made two versions of the Magic Keyboard - one for your wishes, and one for the rest of use who constantly use the ESC key and don't like looking down at their keyboard when interacting with their computers.

CHOICE!!! - sadly something Apple is waging a war against
 
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It's odd - the traditional desktop is where it all started - you'd think it would be bristling with innovation as the epicenter of development but instead it languishes while the formats of laptops, AIO and smartphones get more attention - I think I know why.

I digress, I've been in IT-Telecommunications for 30 years and now it has finally gotten to the point where the presence of a desk phone on the desk is almost an oddity - the desk phone has been consumed by it's own technology and blended into the computer infrastructure appearing as one inclusive device which minimizes support, infrastructure and cost.

In the same way - the power of a system today is it's inclusivity - in other words, it's complete within itself - you don't need to add a keyboard or mouse. I think the idea of having to connect a keyboard, monitor and mouse is being presented as "old-school, cobbled, ancient, inefficient and static" - certainly not progressive and state-of-the-art so to speak.

It is old, the look and feel of desktop computing especially when many movies depict computer interfaces with more ave inclelegance and less involvement. It's time for that keyboard to step up and out - the desktop may highlight once again, but only briefly perhaps, once the hologram or projection technologies emerge - only to vanish again when those technologies or power sources mature.

It's time!

Ahhh, the days of CompUSA ... heaven!

The tablet is the next evolving of computers from desktops, laptops and in a more 21 first century device which will be the computers which everyone will use or have including business, it’s non tethered and uses up less juice.

Eventually (if humans get passed the last days) the computers will be like the one in Hg Wells The Time Machine.
 
The tablet is the next evolving of computers from desktops, laptops and in a more 21 first century device which will be the computers which everyone will use or have including business, it’s non tethered and uses up less juice.

Eventually (if humans get passed the last days) the computers will be like the one in Hg Wells The Time Machine.
For consumption, sure. It pretty much is already.

But for productivity? lol Until you can CREATE applications on the iPad, that run on the iPad, it's simply insufficient. The ability to do that is pretty much equivalent to other activities as well - complex pivot tables in numbers(hahahaha), architectural design with many layers(good lucking getting this exact with the fine edge of your finger), etc...
 
For consumption, sure. It pretty much is already.

But for productivity? lol Until you can CREATE applications on the iPad, that run on the iPad, it's simply insufficient. The ability to do that is pretty much equivalent to other activities as well - complex pivot tables in numbers(hahahaha), architectural design with many layers(good lucking getting this exact with the fine edge of your finger), etc...

They will eventually become the standard...no need to use a finger when there is a pencil.
 
They will eventually become the standard...no need to use a finger when there is a pencil.
Speaking from the architectural side of things-the Apple Pencil and iPad Pro are no way close to a mouse and a keyboard when making construction documents. It’s great for in the field checks and redlines, but is in no way a replacement for current desktop workflows.
 
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