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Well I think you’ll get the upgradable RAM, and TB3 is a given, but I’m rather doubtful about the CPUs. Apple uses the 28W CPUs with GT3e graphics in the current models. As I’m sure you’re well aware, that meant quad core wasn’t possible with the last refresh. But now Intel has quad core available in 28W, so there’s no doubt quad returns to the mini.

But Mac mini needs to start around $499, so that means dual core 15W CPUs at the low end. Models from $699 or $799 would get the new 28W quad core.

However, I don’t think you’ll see a hexacore + discrete graphics chip option above that, which it sounds like you want as your “worthy successor”. It would need a different motherboard at a minimum, maybe a different cooling solution and power supply as well, since it would consume 2 to 3 times more power.

Apple can’t afford to ignore the sub-$999 segment of Mac mini customers, because that’s probably where 75% of the potential customers will be. Those wanting $1,000 HDD hexacore minis (then $1,200 for SSD or 16GB, then $1,400 for SSD and 16 GB) are a niche segment of a niche product, and as such, not likely to be addressed with the updated mini.

It doesn't mean dual core CPUs unless they go i3. The analogous 15w i5 is the i5-8250U (Kaby Lake Refresh) which has been out since last year. It just lacks Iris Graphics and goes with UHD620 graphics which gives the Iris 5100 graphics in the 'current' Mac Mini 2014 models a run for their money. For clarity - Notebookcheck.net seems to rank the Iris 5100 near the top of Class 4 whereas the more modern UHD620 is mid table in Class 3 (the class above). These are the benefits of being 5 generations newer, I guess.

In theory, if it was good enough to run a Retina Screen in a mid 2014 13" Retina MacBook Pro why couldn't it do run the same screen in a cost reduced 13" MacBook (not pro) this year? @dogslobber pointed out in another thread that Dell seem to be offering the XPS 13 (9370) with a 4k 13" IGZO screen so it can only be Apple's own performance standards that prevents them from allowing the lower spec Intel CPU from running a Retina Screen (or a marketing veto). For reference, the 13" Retina Screen is 2560x1600 whereas the Dell screen is their own Ultrasharp 4K 3840x2160 with 100 percent colour gamut - it's a 16:9 capacitive touchscreen which is apparently also IPS. Here's another review of it.

Ironically, the XPS 9370 isn't without its own keyboard issues - you didn't need to copy everything from Apple, guys. :p

I believe the i5-8250U will get speed bumped with a Whiskey Lake model later this year (dodgy rumours are dubbing the WL variant the i5-8265U and it will supposedly have a higher turbo frequency of 3.7GHz from the same base speed of 1.6GHz, but improved graphics performance - the key phrase that gets Apple interested). There's no suggestion that this is an Iris Graphics part though.

If Apple are waiting for an improved CPU with better graphics for an upgraded MacBook Air it wouldn't be a bad choice and would probably be most welcome as a Mac Mini CPU not least because it give the fabled 2012 quad core 45w CPU a run for its money in most benchmarks due to the process shrink and modernity.

Apple do need to hit a price point but in the macOS Mojave era I think all models have to start at 8Gb, especially if upgrading RAM is not possible and certainly if Apple do another 2014 and abandon the Mini for 4 years. By Apple standards that means the base price goes up but I am expecting that the 2018 iPad can pick up the slack quite easily for people who need that cheaper 'computer'.

And while adding the 28w CPUs into the middle and top SKUs would mirror the 'current' 2014 models we hit upon the old excuse of different sockets - the i5-8250U uses FC-BGA1356 like the i5-7200U before it. The 28w i5-8259U uses FCBGA1528. If Apple aren't going to design two different motherboards for their next Mini, I would say that they would be reluctant to release a capable 28w Mini with quad core and Iris Graphics when the 15w CPUs have a different socket. So it'll be choice time for Apple and given that the 28w CPUs are in pricey MacBook Pros with touch bars I would say that any Mini will be 15w across the board.

If they stay in the same case, capable of cooling 45w TDP, Apple could reintroduce dGPU into a higher SKU or two with upwards of 30w budget - a Mini in the now traditional case with a 15w Intel CPU and AMD Pro 555X GPU for instance - would be very interesting to people who might otherwise have been forced to consider an expensive eGPU to get better performance than the iGPU. This allows Apple to position a higher SKU Mini as being capable of running a 5k Apple monitor next year.

It might also be Apple's solution to specifying a base model Retina 4k iMac if, as I would expect, this is the year that the entire iMac range goes Retina. And if the MBA goes away this year too - turning into a 13" Retina MacBook for example - that's the rest of the range going Retina as well.
 
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Quad core i7 with the best iGPU or an AMD integrated GPU with 16gb of configurable ram would be nice, and a 256gb nvme SSD. £1200 tops for that would be great, then i can spend £2,500 on building a Windows machine with real hardware.
 
And yet most 'knowledegable pundits' (including the Apple variety) now readily admit that Windows 10 is every bit as good as MacOS.

I'm afraid your views are very dated regarding Windows and you're swimming against the tide of wisdom.
Not really interested in if my views are trendy or wise. I just prefer MacOS over Windows. I don't really care about everyone else's computer need!
 
And yet most 'knowledegable pundits' (including the Apple variety) now readily admit that Windows 10 is every bit as good as MacOS.

I'm afraid your views are very dated regarding Windows and you're swimming against the tide of wisdom.
Yeah, yeah, maybe from the point of view of a someone who likes to meddle, tweek and so on. I'm afraid your views reflect the wisdom of a geek.

From the point of view of an average Joe or Jill, thus not knowledgeable pundits, OS X / Mac OS is simple to use and far less hassle.

On my Mac all apps have a familiar appearance so are easy to learn and use, back ups (with Time Machine) are done automatically, updates are installed automatically. I just do the stuff I want to do without having to understand, maintain and "operate" the computer. The Windows computer they put on my desk in the office at work is a hassle to use, so I don't.
 
Well I think you’ll get the upgradable RAM, and TB3 is a given, but I’m rather doubtful about the CPUs. Apple uses the 28W CPUs with GT3e graphics in the current models. As I’m sure you’re well aware, that meant quad core wasn’t possible with the last refresh. But now Intel has quad core available in 28W, so there’s no doubt quad returns to the mini.

But Mac mini needs to start around $499, so that means dual core 15W CPUs at the low end. Models from $699 or $799 would get the new 28W quad core.

However, I don’t think you’ll see a hexacore + discrete graphics chip option above that, which it sounds like you want as your “worthy successor”. It would need a different motherboard at a minimum, maybe a different cooling solution and power supply as well, since it would consume 2 to 3 times more power.

Apple can’t afford to ignore the sub-$999 segment of Mac mini customers, because that’s probably where 75% of the potential customers will be. Those wanting $1,000 HDD hexacore minis (then $1,200 for SSD or 16GB, then $1,400 for SSD and 16 GB) are a niche segment of a niche product, and as such, not likely to be addressed with the updated mini.


When did I suggest it needed discrete graphics to be a worthy successor to the 2012? The 2012 model didn’t have discrete graphics.

There are only 4 things that I feel are needed to make it a worthy successor. CPU from 15” as an option, user upgradeable RAM, Thunderbolt 3, and a price for all of that under $1000. That is it.

I understand how ridiculous it would be to include a 5400rpm hdd and I know the cost on SSDs has dropped dramatically over the years, but this is Apple and they still charge $200 to go from 128gb to 256gb, in any model where that is possible. Sell me a Mac Mini with a bs drive that I’m going to yank before the computer is even fired up for the first time. The day I ordered my 2012 2.6GHz quad core Mini, I also ordered two 256gb SSDs, which went into the Mini the day I got it, and set them up in a RAID 0 configuration.

I don’t care what the core count is. Whatever CPUs they can put in a 15” Pro, they can also put in a Mac Mini. In 2012 you could get the same CPU, that was in the $2799 15” MBP, in the Mac Mini for under $1000. They did it in 2012, they can and should do it again in 2018.
 
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Yeah, yeah, maybe from the point of view of a someone who likes to meddle, tweek and so on. I'm afraid your views reflect the wisdom of a geek.

From the point of view of an average Joe or Jill, thus not knowledgeable pundits, OS X / Mac OS is simple to use and far less hassle.

On my Mac all apps have a familiar appearance so are easy to learn and use, back ups (with Time Machine) are done automatically, updates are installed automatically. I just do the stuff I want to do without having to understand, maintain and "operate" the computer. The Windows computer they put on my desk in the office at work is a hassle to use, so I don't.

So what you're really saying is you don't want to learn something new, you don't like change and basically want today to be exactly like tomorrow. Wow, I'm retired and still have a zest for learning new things.

BTW - I have an aunt of 82 who learned the basics of Windows 10 in one afternoon. I think us 'oldies' have a different outlook on life.
 
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An upgraded, more powerful Mac Mini would bring me back to the Mac fold. Been using Windows 10 on an older PC that I built years ago and I absolutely hate it. Used to use it as a Hackintosh until I just couldn't get the newest version of MacOS to work on it. My wallet is waiting Apple. Make it happen.
 
I too made the switch to Windows. I couldn't bear to live with Apple's update schedule and apparent abandonment of computers. But I hate, hate, hate hate Windows. I can't use the word hate enough here.

I'm waiting to see what they handle the rumoured upcoming mini update. If the new model is just a thinner version of the 2014 mini build with flashy gimmicks, I'll know Apple is still not serious about computers.

But I'll consider making a return to the Apple if the update looks like an honest attempt at making a solid entry/mid level computer. Here's hoping. But I'm betting on disappointment given what we've endured the last 4 years.
 
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None of my Minis will be supported by Mojave so I'm more than ready to upgrade if Apple releases a new appropriate choice. With quad-core CPUs in the 13 inch MBPs Apple has no excuse not to bring quad-core back to the Mini.

I do want to get a new Mini, but if it doesn't come with traditional USB ports it'll mean more dongles. Also I use the HDMI port so if it doesn't come with that that will be a pain as well.
 
So what you're really saying is you don't want to learn something new, you don't like change and basically want today to be exactly like tomorrow. Wow, I'm retired and still have a zest for learning new things.

In terms of a specific version OS I think we all can relate to some of that - but it's interesting to consider all perspectives when designing ... often times that one-off perspective can yield an exciting new feature ... like a "Back to the Future" button.
 
Here’s a practical, powerful, sensible Mac mini lineup we probably won't see from Apple:

$549 Mac mini 8,1:
  • Intel Core i3-8109U, Intel UHD Graphics 655 (2 cores)
  • 500 GB Fusion drive (32 GB SSD portion) or 128 GB pure SSD (+$50 for the SSD)

$799 Mac mini 8,1:
  • Intel Core i5-8259U, Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 (4 cores)
  • 1 TB Fusion drive (128 GB SSD portion) or 256 GB pure SSD

$1,099 Mac mini 8,2:
  • Intel Core i7-8850H, AMD Radeon 550 (6 cores)
  • 1 TB Fusion drive (128 GB SSD portion) or 256 GB pure SSD

All models:
  • 8 GB user-upgradable 2400 MHz DDR4
  • 2014 design with the 2012 twist-off bottom for upgrading RAM
  • 2x Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C ports in place of the 2x Thunderbolt 2
  • Bluetooth 5.0
  • Available in Space Gray or Silver

The base model is still priced low-enough and performs adequately for light-use budget-conscious buyers, while every subsequent tier brings a decent performance bump making it worth the extra money.


Those are 2014 prices. FYI, it's no longer 2014. But even then it was too expensive.
FYI, those are the 2018 prices. Apple computers are expensive, and they don’t tend to decrease in price with newer updates.

re: your proposed lineup, Apple wouldn’t sell enough of the top tier to make it viable to use two different motherboards. They do it for MBP lineup, but they sell 10+ million a year. To be practical, all 3 models would have to be 28W CPUs or all would have to have 45W CPUs.
 
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The new MacBook Pros are so tempting. I think about using one in closed-display mode in place of a mini. But, I hate the idea of paying for the parts of the MacBook Pro that I don't need:
  • Keyboard
  • Trackpad
  • Touch Bar
  • Battery
  • Display
Anything I missed? How much extra am I paying for those? Then I think I should just wait a little bit longer for the mini, which is almost certainly coming.
 
... unless several years have gone by and technological advancement allows for better minimum configs for the same or even lower cost.


... some of which DON’T apply to the current mini anymore, as the sold machines should already have more than covered those expenses. And the remaining cost obviously did not increase enough to make Apple bother increasing the prices for the current mini.

And as the mini usually shares it’s technological base with another machine (MacBook (Pro) - in the future perhaps iPad), most of the development costs for a potential, new / redesigned mini are shared over a lot of units, thus lowering the cost per machine significantly.

Similar is true for purchasing: Due to higher purchase volume due to the bigger basis, cost per individual hardware piece is significantly lowered. Granted - with those antique technology parts in the current mini, Apple may have to pay some additional fee to get that old stuff manufactured in the first place. ;)

Of course inflation would drive prices up again, but the percentages are FAR lower than what could have been achieved in cost-saving from technological progress.
I’m talking about the refresh. If you want a 256GB SSD as a minimum, that’s going to be more expensive than 128GB SSD or 500GB HDD minimum.

I know people want a cheap mini, some even want a cheap mini-Pro, but Apple doesn’t do cheap. When (some would say if) the mini is updated, it’s not going to be PC-commodity cheap. But some will still be shocked. Look at all the complaining about the MBP pricing, and it didn’t even increase with this update.
 
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So what you're really saying is you don't want to learn something new, you don't like change and basically want today to be exactly like tomorrow. Wow, I'm retired and still have a zest for learning new things.

BTW - I have an aunt of 82 who learned the basics of Windows 10 in one afternoon. I think us 'oldies' have a different outlook on life.

That's simply a straw man argument... I for one am absolutely not interested in exploring Windows in the interest of "learn(ing) something new". I have a desktop OS that I am pretty happy with, that I am comfortable working with/in, and am not in the market for a new operating system platform. I, too, am retired, and I, too, am still interested in exploring and learning... but I've used Windows in my past, and have no desire to go back...

Nice try... and throwing in the 82 year old aunt who learned Windows 10 in one afternoon was an interesting side note, but in no way germane to my thought process... it's not that "I can't"... it's more that "I am don't need to".
 
It doesn't mean dual core CPUs unless they go i3. The analogous 15w i5 is the i5-8250U (Kaby Lake Refresh) which has been out since last year. It just lacks Iris Graphics and goes with UHD620 graphics which gives the Iris 5100 graphics in the 'current' Mac Mini 2014 models a run for their money. For clarity - Notebookcheck.net seems to rank the Iris 5100 near the top of Class 4 whereas the more modern UHD620 is mid table in Class 3 (the class above). These are the benefits of being 5 generations newer, I guess.

In theory, if it was good enough to run a Retina Screen in a mid 2014 13" Retina MacBook Pro why couldn't it do run the same screen in a cost reduced 13" MacBook (not pro) this year? @dogslobber pointed out in another thread that Dell seem to be offering the XPS 13 (9370) with a 4k 13" IGZO screen so it can only be Apple's own performance standards that prevents them from allowing the lower spec Intel CPU from running a Retina Screen (or a marketing veto). For reference, the 13" Retina Screen is 2560x1600 whereas the Dell screen is their own Ultrasharp 4K 3840x2160 with 100 percent colour gamut - it's a 16:9 capacitive touchscreen which is apparently also IPS. Here's another review of it.

Ironically, the XPS 9370 isn't without its own keyboard issues - you didn't need to copy everything from Apple, guys. :p

I believe the i5-8250U will get speed bumped with a Whiskey Lake model later this year (dodgy rumours are dubbing the WL variant the i5-8265U and it will supposedly have a higher turbo frequency of 3.7GHz from the same base speed of 1.6GHz, but improved graphics performance - the key phrase that gets Apple interested). There's no suggestion that this is an Iris Graphics part though.

If Apple are waiting for an improved CPU with better graphics for an upgraded MacBook Air it wouldn't be a bad choice and would probably be most welcome as a Mac Mini CPU not least because it give the fabled 2012 quad core 45w CPU a run for its money in most benchmarks due to the process shrink and modernity.

Apple do need to hit a price point but in the macOS Mojave era I think all models have to start at 8Gb, especially if upgrading RAM is not possible and certainly if Apple do another 2014 and abandon the Mini for 4 years. By Apple standards that means the base price goes up but I am expecting that the 2018 iPad can pick up the slack quite easily for people who need that cheaper 'computer'.

And while adding the 28w CPUs into the middle and top SKUs would mirror the 'current' 2014 models we hit upon the old excuse of different sockets - the i5-8250U uses FC-BGA1356 like the i5-7200U before it. The 28w i5-8259U uses FCBGA1528. If Apple aren't going to design two different motherboards for their next Mini, I would say that they would be reluctant to release a capable 28w Mini with quad core and Iris Graphics when the 15w CPUs have a different socket. So it'll be choice time for Apple and given that the 28w CPUs are in pricey MacBook Pros with touch bars I would say that any Mini will be 15w across the board.

If they stay in the same case, capable of cooling 45w TDP, Apple could reintroduce dGPU into a higher SKU or two with upwards of 30w budget - a Mini in the now traditional case with a 15w Intel CPU and AMD Pro 555X GPU for instance - would be very interesting to people who might otherwise have been forced to consider an expensive eGPU to get better performance than the iGPU. This allows Apple to position a higher SKU Mini as being capable of running a 5k Apple monitor next year.

It might also be Apple's solution to specifying a base model Retina 4k iMac if, as I would expect, this is the year that the entire iMac range goes Retina. And if the MBA goes away this year too - turning into a 13" Retina MacBook for example - that's the rest of the range going Retina as well.
You make a good point about 15W/28W CPUs and two different sockets. But the i3-8109U is available as a dual-core variant of the 8th generation 28W quads.

I do think the mini will be a single-motherboard lineup. But I can’t imagine 15W across the entire lineup, rather 28W dual/quad with GTe3, or 45W quad/hex with discrete graphics. Either way I think we get all the ports of the 2017 iMac 2K.

If Apple stays targeted on the home/switcher market, I think the 28W platform is much more likely than 45W+dGPU. But at this point, who really knows, except Apple? It’s fun to speculate though :)
 
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The excellent port array on the Mini is a major feature for me. Hope the only change there is to upgrade to TB3.

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I will be very happy, but very very surprised indeed, if they offer hex core with the new Mini. Just can't see it this time around. Maybe in 2-3 years when they can offer octo-cores for the MBPs and iMacs. The Mini will always be kept a step down from those models.

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I am very impressed with the multi-core benchmark scores for the new quad MBP 13", which seriously outperform the most powerful Mini so far, the 2012 2.6GHz quad (17557 v. 11386). That bodes well for the new Mini. :)

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...t-yearly-performance-gain-since-2011.2127645/
 
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