I believe he died shortly after the van Buren administration (1837 to 1841) of a yellow fever epidemic brought by slave ship to Florida.
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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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I fail to fathom why you seem to be unable to participate in a discussion without resorting to personal insults over and over again. Usually this is only done by immature children and people running out of factual arguments.
I like how this thread has over 1.6 million views and yet Apple don't seem to think that updating the machine is worth it.
I also fail to see why all macs should fail to be straight SSD's in these last years of the twenty teens. Unless you're talking a 500TB store all your slow garbage spinner, which no one makes, SSD's just aren't all that much pricier than 500rpm, half terabyte spinners from the land before time forgot.
Apple was first to eliminate floppies, first to eliminate CD/DVD's. Why not first to eliminate old time HD's from the land before time forgot?
Apple was first to eliminate floppies, first to eliminate CD/DVD's. Why not first to eliminate old time HD's from the land before time forgot?
im only quessing but if there were imac and updated mini, people might buy only the mini and buy the display from other vendors. i would do that. when you have mini you can upgrade parts separately (mini or the display). when you have imac and want to upgrade it, you need to buy a whole new imac again. that is much more money to apple and many imacs sold.. then you can give great numbers for media ”we saw xx% increase on last year”.
Didn't most PC manufacturers do that already? Perhaps I spend too much time looking at high-end machines, but I can't even remember anything made post-2017 that would offer a spinner.
Yes, probably lusting after high-end kit, and not really looking around.
True that HDDs are seldom, if ever, seen in higher end laptops from any manufacturer these days.... but HDDs are still used in cheaper laptops. Apple lead the way when it went all SSD for the MacBook range several years ago..... lighter, smaller and more robust, it makes sense.
Not true that HDDs have been eliminated from desktops. They are commonplace where cost effective storage is prioritised over snappy response, and will likely be around for some time to come. All SSD is only found on high-end computers used for video production and the like.
Different desktop users with different budgets and preferences choose different options, as is recognised by Apple in its iMac range. They will almost certainly continue to do so for the Mac Mini which is almost certainly coming, sooner or later.
Oh, my desktop used to have a SSD plus three HDDs for everything that didn't need fast transfers.
I’m not sure there is anything “elitist” about SSD’s versus HDD’s.
I would hope the new base Mini and iMac models would at least have a fusion drive or a SSD at no additional cost. The way I see it Apple tends to be one of the leaders in pushing new technologies, especially across all price points. They also do charge a premium for their products so in 2018 I would expect for them to offer SSD’s standard, especially considering SSD prices are a lot cheaper than they used to be. Given that Apple has made it so difficult to upgrade parts on the Mini (or in some cases impossible) and they tend to overcharge on upgrades, I think they should be offering SSD’s as standard.
The Mini is an entry level machine so I wouldn’t expect tons of storage standard. Cloud based storage also seems to be the way of the future in some regards making local storage capacity less important to the average users. HHD’s severely limit the performance of modern computers, especially when they’re only 5400 rpm as found in the Mini. SSD’s tend to be more reliable and more energy efficient as well.
HDD’s still have a place in the world, especially for inexpensive bulk storage. But in order to take advantage of all the other modern technologies of the computer, an SSD is basically necessary. On my Mac Pro I use a SSD for the OS, apps, and frequently accessed files. I use HDD’s for backups and storage of big files I don’t commonly access.
Apple seems to have a trend of making their computers less and less upgradable. I would hope this is not the case on the Mini. If nothing else, preventing RAM and hard drive upgrades/replacements is bad for the environment. Aging computers cannot be updated and broken components cannot simply be replaced, forcing users to have to buy new computers. It’s a bit ridiculous.
Waiting to see what happens to it. If it gets discontinued and its replacement is no good/too expensive/etc, I'll try to buy one at discount from Staples or something.
Even after I wrote a post about 120GB SSDs costing less than a 500GB HDD, you seem to think I want the Mac mini to be more expensive. Nothing is further from the truth. I am the average pleb. Why do you think I'm still using a mid-2010 Mac mini in 2018?
A lot of people on these forums seem to think the headphone jack is "too old" and should be dropped even though the wireless replacement is nowhere near as good. Audio quality suffers, lag is introduced and you also now have one more thing to keep charged, one more thing that will need its battery replaced one day - if it's even possible.
A lot of people USB 3 type A ports are "too old" and should be dropped even though most people still have tons of USB type A devices. What's the point of only putting expensive, high-speed USB-C ports when people are going to connect low-speed devices into most of them? And one of them is blocked by the power cable on top of that?
And yet we have people who think slow HDDs still have a place as the system drive in 2018?! Remember, Apple uses 5400 RPM drives, not 7200 RPM.
I tried OS X with the stock HDD and the experience was horrible. I then upgraded to a Western Digital Black (7200 RPM) and it was barely tolerable. I then upgraded to a small, low-end and low-cost 120 GB SSD and OS X was usable again.
HDDs for the system drive is a thing from the past. Stop living in the past.
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You got it wrong. It is not about "elitist", it is actually the exact opposite. It is the desire for Apple to use SSD because we could care less if they make $5 less per computer. We want EVERYONE who purchases a computer of any type here in 2018 to have a proper and enjoyable experience. This CRAP that a low end computer HAS to have a spinner is insane.
This. Apple has always justified their prices with the line "We don't sell junk" - and once you see how poorly MacOS performs on a 5400 RPM spinning hard drive, an HDD-only Mac in 2018 is just that.
Even if the base price of the Mac mini goes up by $50 or $100, it'd be worth it to see that Apple no longer sells this terrible user experience in a new Mac.
To be fair, this was a reaction to some fairly nasty attacks, about 10,000 posts ago. He can’t seen to shake the habit.
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I got it! ... This is why we haven't had a decent upgrade to the Mini ... somebody at Apple has chosen "Micky Do" as the spokesperson. Micky Do be raggin' on us for years just like Apple - Yo!
"Tryin' to keep from cryin'"!
[doublepost=1533055862][/doublepost]I think Apple has plans for desktop folks that involves turning our logic into the logic of iPhone customers who are mobile-centric. By stalling the updates and locking things down and then finally remaining silent ... they are perhaps thinking we'll bend and fold so that when the new line of fully locked down desktops arrive we'll be only too happy to purchase.
I wouldn't have put an awful amount of thought into it beyond passing until yesterday when I read about Win10 and what's inevitably coming to Windows users ... DaaS - "Desktop as a Service" which is Microsoft Remote Desktop Management for a monthly fee. Windows users will no longer own or update the OS after Windows 10.
Perhaps those of us considering Windows as a backup need to back up!
If this is the trend then Apple remains paradise and I'm sure they know what's coming - so button up that escape hatch leading to nowhere ... Linux arising!!!
here: https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ng-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
"Tryin' to keep from cryin'"!
[doublepost=1533055862][/doublepost]I think Apple has plans for desktop folks that involves turning our logic into the logic of iPhone customers who are mobile-centric. By stalling the updates and locking things down and then finally remaining silent ... they are perhaps thinking we'll bend and fold so that when the new line of fully locked down desktops arrive we'll be only too happy to purchase.
I wouldn't have put an awful amount of thought into it beyond passing until yesterday when I read about Win10 and what's inevitably coming to Windows users ... DaaS - "Desktop as a Service" which is Microsoft Remote Desktop Management for a monthly fee. Windows users will no longer own or update the OS after Windows 10.
Perhaps those of us considering Windows as a backup need to back up!
If this is the trend then Apple remains paradise and I'm sure they know what's coming - so button up that escape hatch leading to nowhere ... Linux arising!!!
here: https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ng-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
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As vendors, manufacturers and developers challenge the growing forces (security) they're obliged to implement counter-measures and locking things down solves several issues while providing enticements for profit (parts inventory, floor space) - software control and hardware control are logical antidotes ... so at some point we will need to cobble together the infrastructure we desire albeit somewhat old and off-grid to do the things we want to do. This is where Micky Do has it right!
I'm sure as hell not going to rent every aspect of my computing experience (sometimes I feel like I'm leasing my iPhone - yeah I am, I just don't give the old one back and don't get to continue using it).
I'm sure as hell not going to rent every aspect of my computing experience (sometimes I feel like I'm leasing my iPhone - yeah I am, I just don't give the old one back and don't get to continue using it).
I think both MS and Apple are heavily invested in the computer-as-sealed-appliance approach as their (and our) future, which is why I'm dusting off my Linux skills. Hoping for one more decent Apple/Mac headless system before I go.
My one question is just where the heck do these corporate bozos think the next generation of coders are going to come from? Script kiddies who code with their thumbs on phones?
My one question is just where the heck do these corporate bozos think the next generation of coders are going to come from? Script kiddies who code with their thumbs on phones?
Amen 1000 times! Any human that says they are productive with an iPhone is lying.
I used to get plenty of dates (xxxxy) with my iPhone
Sorry, but I can't let this one stand.
The specs on the $499 2014 model are a joke, and the last time I checked $499 isn't a cheap computer. It's a cheap Mac-yes-but still pricey for a computer.
A 5400rpm hard drive and 1.4ghz processor for that price is absolutely inexcusable. It's even more inexcusable that for that price, it comes with far too little RAM for a computer in 2018 WITH NO WAY TO UGPRADE IT.
There's a reason why 2012 Minis are still in demand. In particular, the quads are legitimate light duty workstations for folks who don't need/want/can't afford a Mac Pro but for whom a dual core isn't enough. A 2012 Quad is as expensive if not more so used than a base model 2014.
Aside from that, if Apple is going to continue to be adamant about spinners in Minis, they should at least be running 7200rpm drives. There are good reasons to not use 7200rpm drives in laptops(I've had a few over the years in different computers, and am happy to leave the heat, power consumption, and vibration behind in favor of SSDs in a laptop) but there's no excuse for not using one at a minimum in a desktop.
Difficult to engage in a discussion with someone who imperiously asserts a narrow point of view, to the exclusion of any other.
Yes, I feel that on a laptop SSD is the way to go for one reason and another, and medium to high end laptops have gone one that way. It makes sense. But even so, HDD is still an option in laptops for the most budget minded, offensive though it may be to some.
Yes, for your high end desktop destined to be used for use in video production and the like, or simply for bragging rights to having the hottest machine in the neighbourhood, nobody is denying SSD is the way to go.
But to insist that SSD be the only option at this point in time on a modest desktop such as the Mac Mini is arrant nonsense, given different users have different priorities. Some want more snappy performance, while others are more interested in more cost effective performance. Apple and other manufacturers realise that thus offer you, the consumer, a choice. What is so offensive about that?
I am not against using SSDs. My laptop has an SSD which suits my purposes for it. My desktop has a HDD, thus is not as snappy in opening apps and pages, which I can live with. Once open, from my point of view there is little significant difference in use between the two. Another user with a different use pattern may have a different point of view.
If this offends you, so be it..... do what you will about it
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If the specs of the currently available $499 Mac Mini don't suit your requirements, don't get one. It is not the only option.
For a balance of price, capacity and performance before pure SSD becomes cost-effective, there is Fusion drive. Asking for a Fusion drive is still asking for an SSD, and MacOS performance is reasonable compared to the HDD-only systems Apple sells now.
Fusion drive absolutely needs to completely replace the remaining HDD-only Macs in Apple's lineup, no matter the price point. Though I would still go for the optional 256 GB SSD as the internal drive instead, and use separate external or network storage drives as needed.
Unfortunately, NONE of the specs of the currently available Minis suit me-that's my main point vs. the 2012 Mini.
And, as I said, I consider a very poor value for $499. If the 2012 $599 Mini were still available new, I would go so far as to suggest it is a much better value for the money even at full MSRP than the $499 model.
The 3.5" 1T 7200rpm HDD is pretty much the standard for low-end Windows PC desktops because it's cheap and decently effective. 240G SATA SSDs are pretty much the smallest size that people say they would swap the HDD and go for a smaller SSD. Until recently, the OEM price difference between the 2 was the SATA SSD being 2-3X more expensive than the HDD, which is a major difference for the low end. Now the OEM price difference is only a couple of bucks. If it drops any further, then HDDs won't be cost effective anymore on the low end...
If Apple decides to put a HDD into a new Mini, then by sometime next year, they could easily end up the only company shipping a HDD in newly produced computer systems...
If Apple decides to put a HDD into a new Mini, then by sometime next year, they could easily end up the only company shipping a HDD in newly produced computer systems...
There ... a good flat-line explanation without sharp edges and when you consider the opinion of a Quasi Academic who is a Tri-National peasant who grew up on a farm it all makes sense.
He get's it for sure but only harvests what he needs which is perhaps more sustainable!
I would have to admit when the G5 came out I bought it because I thought it was future-proof, bad-ass, awesome construction and top-of-the-line - not because I needed it - and sadly after 2 of them dying and a bad financial stretch I bought my first Mini and never looked back - well... not until I walk down into the basement and look at the G5's covered in dust thinking "what a waste of great architecture" yet all 3 Mini's are still working.
Three Mini's later it's been the most sustainable platform I've owned!
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