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google.com/news doesn't allow me to cache news for reading offline like the NYT iPhone app does.

However, nearly half a kilodollar per year pushes my news reading budget over the limit, even for NYT quality articles. And the NPR, Reuters and AP apps will also cache news articles.
 
In my personal opinion, I think the New York Times must have a death wish of sorts if they want to charge such exorbitant fees for full access to the contents of their newspaper via the Internet.
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This will effectively finish one of the world's most widely read and respected papers. The late Abe Rosenthal--probably the best Editor-in-Chief the New York Times ever had--must be rolling over in his grave....
 
In my personal opinion, I think the New York Times must have a death wish of sorts if they want to charge such exorbitant fees for full access to the contents of their newspaper via the Internet..

I think it's because they are the epitome of yesterday. Upper management cannot, for whatever reason, get that people want simple pricing, inexpensive content, and easy access.

I look forward to seeing them fall flat on their faces. :D
 
As advertising is clearly not paying the bills, we will be forced, as a society, to make a judgment as to whether or not we value in-depth, investigative journalism and news coverage. If not, we will be satisfied by having all of our basic news come from the AP?

I was ready to pony up the $15/month, but instead wound up being offered the rest of 2011 for free for being a loyal reader. Cool!
 

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Macrumors, you got it correct IN the article.... but how'd you manage to mess up the title?
"Within" is one word. :p
 
And the person behind that account will be sued for copyright infringement after the first article.

It's no different than pirating software, people.

Since when is re-tweeting news articles copyright infringement? This falls right in line with the new york times allowing a subscriber to forward or share through social networks, their content to anyone, whether or not s/he has a subscription themselves. It is so stated in their announcement today.
 
Whoever set this price point is most likely attempting to make his own company go out of business. It sounds odd, but it does seem like the only logical explanation. Who (with the exception of people who live under rocks) would ever expect people to be willing to pay that much for digital news, when they can get the same thing for free and from, to be honest, more reliable sources.
 
In my personal opinion, I think the New York Times must have a death wish of sorts if they want to charge such exorbitant fees for full access to the contents of their newspaper via the Internet.

This will effectively finish one of the world's most widely read and respected papers. The late Abe Rosenthal--probably the best Editor-in-Chief the New York Times ever had--must be rolling over in his grave....

How is the pricing exorbitant? I used to pay $5 or $6 a month to read the Times on weekdays only, some 40 years ago. For it to be $20 now? Bargain!

There is no free lunch. If we are what we eat, then we are also what we feed our minds. I'll take the fresh banquet of The New York Times over the rewarmed hash of Google News, and find something in my budget to give up in order to afford it.

I don't think ol' Abe Rosenthal is spinning in his grave. He's probably thinking what I'm thinking: it's about time they charged for the paper online. They should have stuck with their earlier paywall experiment, messed around with it more, not just box in the columnists but put the whole thing behind a paywall and tell people "Hey. This stuff cost blood, sweat, tears and plenty dough to produce, so it cannot be free by any stretch of your selfish and cramped imagination."

And please all you people who posit some difference between stealing a truckload of DVDs and pirating some downloaded software, and who think listening to or reading a digital work for free makes sense because someone already got paid to create the original, do spare me. Go walk in the shoes of a Dexter Filkins sometime, or John Burns, and then ask yourself if you are entitled to read an account of what they experienced -- what they risked their lives to report-- for the grand price of zero while you suck down that latte.

The very idea of having been able to read the work of The New York Times' reporters for nothing all this time is obscene, actually. Obscene.

Fear of stockholders and their short term profit mentality has just about killed off the "free" newspapers still worth reading. Quite a few of them still have a good product. It needs to be priced for consumers to have to acknowledge its value. If you don't want to pay for it, maybe you are not actually a newspaper consumer. There ARE newspaper consumers out here, and we will pay for the thing. That's the lesson of papers such as The Financial Times, and magazines like The Economist, The New Yorker, The New Republic.

The New York Times is stepping into good company with their plan. I can hardly wait to sign up. This time please God they will have the backbone to stick with the plan and tell the shareholders (of which I am one) to love it, shove it or short it and go to hell. I think the Times' plan is fair and well thought out to succeed.
 
How is the pricing exorbitant? I used to pay $5 or $6 a month to read the Times on weekdays only, some 40 years ago. For it to be $20 now? Bargain!

There is no free lunch. If we are what we eat, then we are also what we feed our minds. I'll take the fresh banquet of The New York Times over the rewarmed hash of Google News, and find something in my budget to give up in order to afford it.

I don't think ol' Abe Rosenthal is spinning in his grave. He's probably thinking what I'm thinking: it's about time they charged for the paper online. They should have stuck with their earlier paywall experiment, messed around with it more, not just box in the columnists but put the whole thing behind a paywall and tell people "Hey. This stuff cost blood, sweat, tears and plenty dough to produce, so it cannot be free by any stretch of your selfish and cramped imagination."

And please all you people who posit some difference between stealing a truckload of DVDs and pirating some downloaded software, and who think listening to or reading a digital work for free makes sense because someone already got paid to create the original, do spare me. Go walk in the shoes of a Dexter Filkins sometime, or John Burns, and then ask yourself if you are entitled to read an account of what they experienced -- what they risked their lives to report-- for the grand price of zero while you suck down that latte.

The very idea of having been able to read the work of The New York Times' reporters for nothing all this time is obscene, actually. Obscene.

Fear of stockholders and their short term profit mentality has just about killed off the "free" newspapers still worth reading. Quite a few of them still have a good product. It needs to be priced for consumers to have to acknowledge its value. If you don't want to pay for it, maybe you are not actually a newspaper consumer. There ARE newspaper consumers out here, and we will pay for the thing. That's the lesson of papers such as The Financial Times, and magazines like The Economist, The New Yorker, The New Republic.

The New York Times is stepping into good company with their plan. I can hardly wait to sign up. This time please God they will have the backbone to stick with the plan and tell the shareholders (of which I am one) to love it, shove it or short it and go to hell. I think the Times' plan is fair and well thought out to succeed.

Ah. The punchline comes in the last paragraph. Only a shareholder could rationalize this as a good move for the company and be mystified as to why the paywall didn't work the first time.
 
How is the pricing exorbitant? I used to pay $5 or $6 a month to read the Times on weekdays only, some 40 years ago. For it to be $20 now? Bargain!

Look up the definition of 'sucker' or 'sheep' in the dictionary, and you'll find this guy's username!

I could hardly get past this first line and had to give up reading it... pure comedy!

Are there really people like this in the world that really believe the NYT's actually 'reports' news?!
 
what do you mean "this day and age?" do you know especially this day and age, there is so much information available, we are really living in an information explosion where 99.99% of them is junk noise? it's more and more difficult and inefficient to distinguish quality content from rehashed articles, fake news site, auto-generated blog post all w/ the intention to drive service engine optimization and ad sales.

then there are those news outlet like local tv stations, CNN.com, BBC.com, huffington post, etc. Their content quality is several notch below the rank of WSJ and NYT. Just look at the kind of stuff getting coverage, their reporting angle, and vocabularies used on CNN.com, there is a reason their content is free.

Trust me just because you don't want to pay for quality content doesn't mean others won't. WSJ has successfully charge its content for years, and I personally pay $495/year for its Professional service. When the information I receive is helping me to make large sum of investment decision on daily basis, $495 is just chomp change like commissions and fees for cost of trading.

Yeah ultimately people who create quality content will be able to get paid for it. Right now the problem is people erroneously think everything is available free to them. The way some people access their news or talk about what they will do instead shows they don't even understand how/why they get their news and how it won't be possible for them to continue doing that long term.


This brand new twitter account promises to tweet every single New York Times article, thereby allowing unlimited access to followers.

Easy enough to block it. That will likely be considered an abuse of their system and they will just block it. I know you somehow think this will fly but it won't. Worst case scenario is if people try to abuse it they remove the access. So instead of that guy being a dbag, perhaps he can find something more productive to do with his time.

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Speaking of people who don't know how their news sources get their news...


Since when is re-tweeting news articles copyright infringement? This falls right in line with the new york times allowing a subscriber to forward or share through social networks, their content to anyone, whether or not s/he has a subscription themselves. It is so stated in their announcement today.

They said it would not count against people's limits. They didn't say they would not block people who abuse the possibility by linking to every article on twitter. I hope he goes to the effort to start doing it and then they just block him. Like I said, it is trivially easy to block this.
 
Ah. The punchline comes in the last paragraph. Only a shareholder could rationalize this as a good move for the company and be mystified as to why the paywall didn't work the first time.

I am pretty sure you have no idea what is different between that paywall and what they are doing now...
 
So it's between x20 and x35 times more expensive than "The Daily" access? Good luck with that, NYT. You will need it.

Yeah, that was my reaction as well. People were screaming that the Daily was overpriced but the NYT and WSJ both blew it out of the water price wise
 
Yeah ultimately people who create quality content will be able to get paid for it. Right now the problem is people erroneously think everything is available free to them. The way some people access their news or talk about what they will do instead shows they don't even understand how/why they get their news and how it won't be possible for them to continue doing that long term.




Easy enough to block it. That will likely be considered an abuse of their system and they will just block it. I know you somehow think this will fly but it won't. Worst case scenario is if people try to abuse it they remove the access. So instead of that guy being a dbag, perhaps he can find something more productive to do with his time.



Speaking of people who don't know how their news sources get their news...




They said it would not count against people's limits. They didn't say they would not block people who abuse the possibility by linking to every article on twitter. I hope he goes to the effort to start doing it and then they just block him. Like I said, it is trivially easy to block this.

Wait, what's this on my keyboard.....a CTRL button. And then the letters C and V. I wonder what that combination might do. Or maybe this funny looking PrtSc key. Wonder what that does.

Doesn't need to be retweeted. Warez sites already link or host mountains of ebooks and other texts. All this will do is create entire subsections on the sites for daily issues of [insert newspaper].

You cannot possibly be so dense as not to see that coming.

Hell the entire thing could be automated to download daily issues of xyz paper in the morning before you wake up from [insert file host], uncompress the files and upload them to a Google Docs account (likely as a pdf format). All the reading you want for a day available from your Google account. All ads and annoying app bulls**t stripped out. It would be laughably simple to accomplish.
 
The New York Times is stepping into good company with their plan. I can hardly wait to sign up. This time please God they will have the backbone to stick with the plan and tell the shareholders (of which I am one) to love it, shove it or short it and go to hell. I think the Times' plan is fair and well thought out to succeed.

next time put the shareholder bit first ;)

of course content has value but it also needs a price which works on the market: and the fact remains that there is an absolute massive oversupply of news content on the internet. With that much supply the price simply has to fall endlessly

yes the news content takes hard work to create, but that doesn't change the reality of people not willing to pay for it
 
I guess this isn't too bad. I read the NYT on my work computer every morning, and I read the the iPad app on the weekends when I wake up. So it looks like I'm going to be forking over $20/month for web and iPad access. Even though I have the iPhone app, I rarely use it because I don't like reading on my phone to begin with.

I figured this was inevitable. But $240/year for web and iPad access really isn't too bad I suppose. I would have liked to see it cheaper, but I'm not complaining.
 
I guess this isn't too bad. I read the NYT on my work computer every morning, and I read the the iPad app on the weekends when I wake up. So it looks like I'm going to be forking over $20/month for web and iPad access. Even though I have the iPhone app, I rarely use it because I don't like reading on my phone to begin with.

I figured this was inevitable. But $240/year for web and iPad access really isn't too bad I suppose. I would have liked to see it cheaper, but I'm not complaining.

Well it likely will be cheaper. They say there will be introductory pricing and also yearly pricing, so $240 a year is the max you can expect to pay for that, and most likely you will be able to pay less.

People need to remember one of the ways publications sell subscriptions is by having a relatively high retail price and then selling everything at a discount. It will be no different here. They make you kind of okay with $240 and all of a sudden you get a intro offer for $199 for the first year, and you feel pretty good about it.
 
Will you be able to buy single issues or single-day access? I know I would love the Sunday tablet edition, but not necessarily daily access.
 
Will you be able to buy single issues or single-day access? I know I would love the Sunday tablet edition, but not necessarily daily access.

Initially, it doesn't seem like it. It looks like we're stuck with $15/month for web/smartphone access, $20/month for web/iPad access, and $35/month to include everything.
 
Mee too

I read nytimes.com daily. I just clicked on an article and was offered a free subscription to nytimes.com and their mobile app (not ipad) for the rest of 2011. The offer was sponsored by Lincoln. Oh and this is my very first post.


All it took was one click and I had to enter no additional info.

I been a registered web user of the NYT for years. I wonder how many get this free offer?
 
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