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So far, ArenaNet has managed to make one big every update every month, just like said they would. I am very impressed by this. It will take a couple of years for a MMO to really find itself. Right now they are still things, conceptualizing the future, and like all MMOs it results in a two step forward, one step backward mentality.

One recent thing is that the game is much harder now in the end game fights. It's very cool but some casual gamers are a bit frustrated by this.


It's hands down, one of the most impressive online games I have ever played. The value you get is incredible.
 
Wow... my post got flagged and I got an auto warning from a mod..really guys? None of my posts have been offensive. Whoever did it... shame.

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So far, ArenaNet has managed to make one big every update every month, just like said they would. I am very impressed by this. It will take a couple of years for a MMO to really find itself. Right now they are still things, conceptualizing the future, and like all MMOs it results in a two step forward, one step backward mentality.

One recent thing is that the game is much harder now in the end game fights. It's very cool but some casual gamers are a bit frustrated by this.


It's hands down, one of the most impressive online games I have ever played. The value you get is incredible.

ArenaNet? I wish I could research it here at work... could you describe the gameplay a bit more?
 
GW2 Review

Each profession/class has several weapons it can acquire, each with different attack skills earned by using a weapon. The five skills are keys 1-5, keys 6-10 utility skills are earned by spending skill points derived from challenges found in PvE. GW2 does not have addons, weapons and armor are limited as to level. A player can’t “pay to win” but some items can be bought with gems paid for with real money, including storage space, temporary boosts, and vanity items.

Target your foe, use you 1-5 keys to attack and augment the attack with keys 6-10, watch its health bar shorten, and loot. Good, if profane reviews of Guild Wars 2 can be found here:

Guild Wars 2 | The Angry Joe Show and Game Reviews | The Angry Joe Show
 
Wow... my post got flagged and I got an auto warning from a mod..really guys? None of my posts have been offensive. Whoever did it... shame.

Not me. I've not noticed anything unusual in your posts. Which post do you think it was? My guess is an auto warning is just that, auto generated with a flag. If you've not heard from a mod or seen your post disappear, I would not worry.
 
You guys ever think there is a hope of a large sandbox MMO, with huge zones, where exploring is so delicious, you just want to wander and explore? The first time I experienced the feeling of the joy of exploration was in a solo RPG, Elder Scrolls Oblivion. For myself, the size of the zones would like having one of the WoW continents be a single zone. I know- it's never gonna happen.
 
Holy old thread :)

Blizzard was working on something but, I have not heard a peep a about it. It seems people are moving on to other genre I guess. The Star Wars MMO was a bust. WoW is limping along. I am thinking MMORPG might be a dying breed.
 
You guys ever think there is a hope of a large sandbox MMO, with huge zones, where exploring is so delicious, you just want to wander and explore? The first time I experienced the feeling of the joy of exploration was in a solo RPG, Elder Scrolls Oblivion. For myself, the size of the zones would like having one of the WoW continents be a single zone. I know- it's never gonna happen.

The minute this happens, I'll be excited for the genre again. Until then I'll try Blizzard Titan whenever it comes out but I don't really care for anything else

I was gonna get into Eve Online because Dust 514 was supposed to the next big thing but I heard it sucks
 
I just took a break from WoW as I do from time to time to focus on my single player games backlog. I am trying to finish up the Windows games i owned before getting my iMac last year around this time. I have found enough stuff to satisfy me comes out for Mac thanks to Feral, Aspyr, Blizzard, EA, Virtual Programming, Indies, etc. So I''d like to kiss the Bootcamp partition goodbye and go all Mac! :D

Not to take this off-topic too much but that was my reasoning for letting WoW go for a bit as I still enjoy MMO games too. I spent so many hours in EverQuest and EverQuest II and then WoW that I guess I am old fashioned now or something. I am okay with the standard MMO formula if done well in an interesting, fun to explore world that supports independent play.

I play WoW casually and a lot differently than many do I think. I don't do anything competitively in the game for one thing. I enjoy relaxing goof off time doing stuff like fishing, farming an old instance for mats or cool things with one of my two high level characters (my Blood Elf Pally or my Troll Druid), I run dailies still (Argent Tournament) to earn complete sets of heirloom gear to be shared by my alt army members, crafting, playing the AH game, making lots of gold, questing with a character or two (notice how far into this list this item is?), and more.

I would actually like to try out my Pally and Warrior in BG PvP for some fun. I have done it just a little and liked it. It might be cool to play that and earn the appropriate gear on my own time schedule.

I'm not big on grouping or LFR raids because too often people do not play nice and I don't have time for that. I enter the world of Azeroth to enjoy it, not fight over loot, who has what DPS, etc. Back in the day, in EverQuest, we'd put together a group and just have fun socializing, killing stuff in some camp somewhere, maybe camping some epic quest drop or whatnot and we did not worry about who played perfect, we did not measure dps, etc. We just played for fun. That is what I still do.

I am in a very nice guild of older players and enjoy their company in guild chat. If I get one of my two 80's to cap, who knows, maybe sometime I'll do the runs to be able to play the end game stuff with them but I don't worry about it. I just log in and have fun however I feel like it on any given day and I give the subscription a break altogether when I want to focus on other games for a while.

This is totally different from how I used to play EverQuest where I was in the number one raiding guild on my server and one of the best geared clerics at the time there, etc. That was fun for a while and I am glad I enjoyed that when I did but those days are long gone now.

I'm looking forward to what Blizzard comes up with, with Titan. But I am not in any rush to see it yet. I have a lot to do in WoW still at my own snail's pace. I'd like to at least outfit all the alts in heirlooms and level them into at least The Burning Crusade for the fun of playing the different classes.

I thought I'd really like to try Guild Wars 2 also but I am not willing to reboot for acceptable (to me) performance of the game. I feel it is a shame they didn't go the distance and do a native port but that is simply my own personal take and not anything I'd want to argue with anyone.

Elder Scrolls Online sure interests me and if it is WoW-like that wouldn't bother me really, particularly if there is focus on providing the sort of exploration the single player series is known for. I might like that a lot. I certainly love the world of Elder Scrolls. Morrowind was one of the greatest games I've ever played. I am so behind!! I haven't yet played Oblivion nor Skyrim! But I own them both and will get to them.

That's the thing too. To have time for the likes of Oblivion and Skyrim and the excellent Mac games I've been collecting, I can't do 40+ hours in any MMO anymore. It's casual or bust pretty much. I wonder how many people as they get older move in this direction and if that is not what has impacted the market to some extent - people are not willing to engage in games that tend to have (in their own perception) such high time requirements to advance (to a point they are happy with).

Anyway, enough of my rambling! But before I close here, hats off to Blizzard, Turbine and in the future Bethesda for providing native Mac MMO options to enjoy. For me, it is just one more reason I don't need Windows anymore. Yes, I make some tradeoffs but I'm just fine with that. No platform has everything. Hell, I can't catch up on what I do have as it is.
 
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The minute this happens, I'll be excited for the genre again. Until then I'll try Blizzard Titan whenever it comes out but I don't really care for anything else

I was gonna get into Eve Online because Dust 514 was supposed to the next big thing but I heard it sucks

Last I heard little is known about Titan.

I just took a break from WoW as I do from time to time to focus on my single player games backlog. I am trying to finish up the Windows games i owned before getting my iMac last year around this time. I have found enough stuff to satisfy me comes out for Mac thanks to Feral, Aspyr, Blizzard, EA, Virtual Programming, Indies, etc. So I''d like to kiss the Bootcamp partition goodbye and go all Mac! :D

Not to take this off-topic too much but that was my reasoning for letting WoW go for a bit as I still enjoy MMO games too. I spent so many hours in EverQuest and EverQuest II and then WoW that I guess I am old fashioned now or something. I am okay with the standard MMO formula if done well in an interesting, fun to explore world that supports independent play.

I play WoW casually and a lot differently than many do I think. I don't do anything competitively in the game for one thing. I enjoy relaxing goof off time doing stuff like fishing, farming an old instance for mats or cool things with one of my two high level characters (my Blood Elf Pally or my Troll Druid), I run dailies still (Argent Tournament) to earn complete sets of heirloom gear to be shared by my alt army members, crafting, playing the AH game, making lots of gold, questing with a character or two (notice how far into this list this item is?), and more.

I would actually like to try out my Pally and Warrior in BG PvP for some fun. I have done it just a little and liked it. It might be cool to play that and earn the appropriate gear on my own time schedule.

I'm not big on grouping or LFR raids because too often people do not play nice and I don't have time for that. I enter the world of Azeroth to enjoy it, not fight over loot, who has what DPS, etc. Back in the day, in EverQuest, we'd put together a group and just have fun socializing, killing stuff in some camp somewhere, maybe camping some epic quest drop or whatnot and we did not worry about who played perfect, we did not measure dps, etc. We just played for fun. That is what I still do.

I am in a very nice guild of older players and enjoy their company in guild chat. If I get one of my two 80's to cap, who knows, maybe sometime I'll do the runs to be able to play the end game stuff with them but I don't worry about it. I just log in and have fun however I feel like it on any given day and I give the subscription a break altogether when I want to focus on other games for a while.

This is totally different from how I used to play EverQuest where I was in the number one raiding guild on my server and one of the best geared clerics at the time there, etc. That was fun for a while and I am glad I enjoyed that when I did but those days are long gone now.

I'm looking forward to what Blizzard comes up with, with Titan. But I am not in any rush to see it yet. I have a lot to do in WoW still at my own snail's pace. I'd like to at least outfit all the alts in heirlooms and level them into at least The Burning Crusade for the fun of playing the different classes.

I thought I'd really like to try Guild Wars 2 also but I am not willing to reboot for acceptable (to me) performance of the game. I feel it is a shame they didn't go the distance and do a native port but that is simply my own personal take and not anything I'd want to argue with anyone.

Elder Scrolls Online sure interests me and if it is WoW-like that wouldn't bother me really, particularly if there is focus on providing the sort of exploration the single player series is known for. I might like that a lot. I certainly love the world of Elder Scrolls. Morrowind was one of the greatest games I've ever played. I am so behind!! I haven't yet played Oblivion nor Skyrim! But I own them both and will get to them.

That's the thing too. To have time for the likes of Oblivion and Skyrim and the excellent Mac games I've been collecting, I can't do 40+ hours in any MMO anymore. It's casual or bust pretty much. I wonder how many people as they get older move in this direction and if that is not what has impacted the market to some extent - people are not willing to engage in games that tend to have (in their own perception) such high time requirements to advance (to a point they are happy with).

Anyway, enough of my rambling! But before I close here, hats off to Blizzard, Turbine and in the future Bethesda for providing native Mac MMO options to enjoy. For me, it is just one more reason I don't need Windows anymore. Yes, I make some tradeoffs but I'm just fine with that. No platform has everything. Hell, I can't catch up on what I do have as it is.

I have a friend who still raids in WoW on a regular basis. Too much like work for me, and I burned out long ago, but I'm the first to acknowledge that WoW was my first fantasy based MMORPG and my favorite.
 
I have a friend who still raids in WoW on a regular basis. Too much like work for me, and I burned out long ago, but I'm the first to acknowledge that WoW was my first fantasy based MMORPG and my favorite.

Yeah, I think so too now. I'm not up for playing at scheduled times. I like to just log in and play when I feel like it for however long I feel like it without any sort of schedule or commitment.

You know what I've been meaning to go back to, especially since they put out a nice native Mac version is LoTRO. I only played that a little, getting a ranger into his teens and starting some baby characters. I was doing pretty good with gathering and beginning crafting too with my ranger. It really has a nice RPG-feel to it with good lore and story of course. The scripted stuff in the game is really well done and the graphics are very nice as is the sound and music. I know I own the first tier of content, one of the expansions at least and had purchased enough bank space to suit me for storing crafting stuff.

I installed that not too long ago from Steam and may give it a go again soon. The same guild I am in with WoW supports multiple MMO games and has an active LoTRO chapter since the game launched.
 
Yeah, I think so too now. I'm not up for playing at scheduled times. I like to just log in and play when I feel like it for however long I feel like it without any sort of schedule or commitment.

There is really no comparision with World of Tanks to WoW, but one thing that is really nice about WoT is that all of the rounds are 15 minutes. So I can jump out of the game easily and it's convenient for when I have other things I need to attend to, although it is in Windows only.

You know what I've been meaning to go back to, especially since they put out a nice native Mac version is LoTRO. I only played that a little, getting a ranger into his teens and starting some baby characters. I was doing pretty good with gathering and beginning crafting too with my ranger. It really has a nice RPG-feel to it with good lore and story of course. The scripted stuff in the game is really well done and the graphics are very nice as is the sound and music. I know I own the first tier of content, one of the expansions at least and had purchased enough bank space to suit me for storing crafting stuff.

LoTRO never really grabbed me (played the beta).

The same guild I am in with WoW supports multiple MMO games and has an active LoTRO chapter since the game launched.

I'm in the Old Timer's Guild and they are the same. How large is your guild and what is it's name?
 
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I enjoy Guild Wars 2's gameplay, but what irks me most about the game is that it seems with each of these monthly updates they have a tendency to add yet another currency to the game. There are so many different currencies floating about it's very difficult to keep things straight. I wish they would step back and start removing or unifying some of them, so as to help streamline the process of crafting legendary items and new content items as they are introduced...

Lastly, if they had not gone the route of wrapping their game in Cider for their Mac client, I might have respected them a bit more. It's nice that it's available, but if you have the option to play it on a Windows platform, rather than the Mac, you would be doing yourself a favor.
 
I just downloaded world of tanks yesterday via playonmac and I'm getting loads of flashing graphical artefacts. Anyone else use wot via playonmac?
 
The guild I've been in since 2007 is called "The Old Timer's Guild."

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Lol. I'm currently active in World of Tanks as Huntn in OTG. The reason I joined OTG was that I was hoping for some online player continuity when hopping from game to game, although I can't really say it's worked that way. In WoT I spend the majority of time going it solo. On occasion, platoon it or do company battles. As I am still in the acquisition mode moving up tiers, I don't want to spend all evening in just one tank. :)
 
Lol. I'm currently active in World of Tanks as Huntn in OTG. The reason I joined OTG was that I was hoping for some online player continuity when hopping from game to game, although I can't really say it's worked that way. In WoT I spend the majority of time going it solo. On occasion, platoon it or do company battles. As I am still in the acquisition mode moving up tiers, I don't want to spend all evening in just one tank. :)

It is indeed a small world, isn't it? I enjoy OTG and the nice people I've met there even if I now tend to mostly play solo myself. The option for other things, games and kinds of play is always open which is nice. I think I started with Vanguard and went on to play WoW, EQ, EQ2, DDO and LoTRO with OTG, ultimately landing back in WoW. I had nice experiences with each chapter.

As I recall, doesn't Lord Marshall play World of Tanks? I've seen video of that game before and it does look fun. Glad you have a good time with it.
 
You guys ever think there is a hope of a large sandbox MMO, with huge zones, where exploring is so delicious, you just want to wander and explore? The first time I experienced the feeling of the joy of exploration was in a solo RPG, Elder Scrolls Oblivion. For myself, the size of the zones would like having one of the WoW continents be a single zone. I know- it's never gonna happen.

It was called Everquest (not EQ2), the downside it required to to dedicate you life to it to feel rewarded.
 
It was called Everquest (not EQ2), the downside it required to to dedicate you life to it to feel rewarded.

It would have to be a new and improved Everquest. Those graphics would not cut it today. :) Although I can't vouch for Final Fantasy 14's (MMORPG) game play, the environments look outstanding:

 
It would have to be a new and improved Everquest. Those graphics would not cut it today. :)

My point really is, I dont think a game like that can be popular again.

The vast majority of gamers need too much instant gratification, or they won't keep playing.

Take for example EQ original epic quests, took hundreds of hours of game play to get 1 item. People in mass don't want to "explore" anymore, they want clicky portals that get you from point A to B in 1 click or they whine.
I'd love if someone came up with a revamped EQ , but people would whine an ruin it. Like EQ2,WoW,and pretty much every other game made in the last decade.

FF XIV does look interesting.
 
My point really is, I dont think a game like that can be popular again.

The vast majority of gamers need too much instant gratification, or they won't keep playing.

I remember when XP loss was a normal thing and you could play for an hour, have one pull go wrong and basically have wasted an hour

Then WOW came along...
 
My point really is, I dont think a game like that can be popular again.

The vast majority of gamers need too much instant gratification, or they won't keep playing.

Take for example EQ original epic quests, took hundreds of hours of game play to get 1 item. People in mass don't want to "explore" anymore, they want clicky portals that get you from point A to B in 1 click or they whine.
I'd love if someone came up with a revamped EQ , but people would whine an ruin it. Like EQ2,WoW,and pretty much every other game made in the last decade.

FF XIV does look interesting.

To avoid being a niche game and justify millions spent in development, they need a player base large enough. You might talk me into playing a game where gratification is not instant, as long as I enjoy the journey and am not harshly penalized for messing up. And as I tell my Wow addicted friend, raiding is too much like a job. I don't want the obligation or the time commitment. And if it takes that to be successful in the game, I'll pass, cause in the end it's just a game, thousands of hours spent to acquire fancy gear and amazing achievements only lasts as long as WoW stays online.

I remember when XP loss was a normal thing and you could play for an hour, have one pull go wrong and basically have wasted an hour

Then WOW came along...

Arguably, WoW did it better as far as meeting gamer's desires. I would not want to waste an hour either. However, I believe WoW does a good job of addressing different player dedication by having 5 player, 10 player, and 25 player dungeons. Personally I don't need raids, although I did not mind 10 player dungeons.
 
That's the thing too. To have time for the likes of Oblivion and Skyrim and the excellent Mac games I've been collecting, I can't do 40+ hours in any MMO anymore. It's casual or bust pretty much. I wonder how many people as they get older move in this direction and if that is not what has impacted the market to some extent - people are not willing to engage in games that tend to have (in their own perception) such high time requirements to advance (to a point they are happy with).

Anyway, enough of my rambling! But before I close here, hats off to Blizzard, Turbine and in the future Bethesda for providing native Mac MMO options to enjoy. For me, it is just one more reason I don't need Windows anymore. Yes, I make some tradeoffs but I'm just fine with that. No platform has everything. Hell, I can't catch up on what I do have as it is.

Hey there. I wanted to respond to the first paragraph above:
I feel the same way. I just don't have the time for these big games anymore. I wish I did as they provide the greatest reward IMO.

As for you second paragraph, you weren't rambling, thanks for your post
 
Hey there. I wanted to respond to the first paragraph above:
I feel the same way. I just don't have the time for these big games anymore. I wish I did as they provide the greatest reward IMO.

As for you second paragraph, you weren't rambling, thanks for your post

Thank you too.

Casual is goodness. Someday the kids will figure this out. ;)
 
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