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My only problem with the customer service selling point is that Apple seems to be moving away from in store swaps. I'm hearing more and more that they're requiring thenohone be shipped out. While that's not necesssrily a deal breaker it is a far cry from me bringing a non working phone in and walking out with one that does work. Why even go to the store if this is where things are headed?

Fwiw this is how they have always worked with every product outside of iOS devices, afaik. iOS devices were always special and for special attention. But if taking my phone into the store still nets me having to wait for the service center to receive it and ship it back (to the store) then I may as well throw it in a box myself.
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I honestly think it could.

Oled screen with drastically reduced bezels would just about cover all the needs/wants of people here. You might not even need to do much the the internals otherwise.

Even still. Other companies already have that so who cares if they come out with oled and reduced bezels next year? It's one thing for Apple to have been behind and delivered that this year but next year? They're now years behind in hardware. Their saving grace is that they design both the hardware and software making the iPhone user experience great. I think they're smarter than their rivals to operate this way.
 
It's not that iPhone 6S is better than iPhone 7.

What people are saying is iPhone 7 simply isn't much of an upgrade over iPhone 6S.

As expected and in usual Apple fashion, they've cranked up the Apple Hype Machine. No other company has perfected smoke and mirrors marketing like Apple. That's a compliment . . . Just look at the billion dollar juggernaut they've become.

Only Apple could deliver such a modest upgrade and still have people lining up to buy the product.

What Apple is doing with their chipsets is singularly more impressive than all other anticipated upgrades combined. My own point of view, obviously.

So often members here correlate progress to case design. While there are packaging constraints and a cascade effect from some decisions, it's far closer to the simplicity of an aftermarket case than the chipset. That is the big news.
 
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I hope so too. Curious that they defaulted to sending it out in your experience too. In previous years I never heard this. Everyone was just reporting white box replacements.

I'm not sure this is a 100% the way they're moving and I tried to be clear about that. It could just be low stock (though that doesn't explain your experience much). There's always lots of speculation about these things. People were reluctant to believe Apple was doing on site screen repairs, at first, too. Curious to see if they'll do that moving forward with the waterproofing glues they use now.

Yes this occurred a few months back. Next time I pop in a Apple Store (should be within the next week or two), I'll ask them point blank and see what they say. I'll let you know via pm.
 
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Even still. Other companies already have that so who cares if they come out with oled and reduced bezels next year? It's one thing for Apple to have been behind and delivered that this year but next year? They're now years behind in hardware. Their saving grace is that they design both the hardware and software making the iPhone user experience great. I think they're smarter than their rivals to operate this way.
Well, I care. Because I want an iOS device that has these things.

We can argue about end user quality of life improvements until we are blue in the face. I don't know that many people would be against an iPhone plus model having the same size screen but smaller footprint. I certainly think this would be a selling point. As would a more efficient and beautiful screen (they already use beautiful screens as selling points every years).
 
Rumors leaked this early are traditionally nothing more than talking points designed to keep the focus on Apple.

Now that Apple has milked the same old iPhone 6 style for three full years, it's very unlikely they'll recycle it for a fourth year.

Outside of the walled garden of Apple Devotees, the Haptic button is openly being panned. Already their are some rather detailed descriptions of a major revision of the buzzy vibrating button.

Now that the honeymoon for iPhone 7 is over, it's being re evaluated as a very modest upgrade.

Next year Apple must deliver substantially.
I believe the 2017 iphone will definitely deliver big time. Everyone will be blown away by it except Samsung fanboys. However, I am not optimistic that the camera will be [arguably] better than Samsung.

I should also add that Apple has at least three prototypes in the works (if not already) for the next gen iPhone.
 
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I believe the 2017 iphone will definitely deliver big time. Everyone will be blown away by it except Samsung fanboys. However, I am not optimistic that the camera will be [arguably] better than Samsung.

I should also add that Apple has at least three prototypes in the works (if not already) for the next gen iPhone.

Samsung's camera tech always seems to follow Apple's. Samsung was using 16 megapixels then dropped down to 12 when Apple moved to that. Follow the leader I guess.....
 
Sorry, it's the other way around...and the number of pixels these days is virtually meaningless.

So you are telling me the the iPhone camera technology follows after Samsung when I just gave you an example? iPhone camera photos are also dominating on FLICKR which is weird when you consider that Samsung practically tries to give their phone away with 2 for one deals and everything else.


I swear Samsung pays folks to troll this forum. They even got cute and tried to poke fun at the iPhone not having a headphone jack in the Note launch event. That literally blew up in their face. No pun intended.
 
So you are telling me the the iPhone camera technology follows after Samsung when I just gave you an example? iPhone camera photos are also dominating on FLICKR which is weird when you consider that Samsung practically tries to give their phone away with 2 for one deals and everything else.


I swear Samsung pays folks to troll this forum. They even got cute and tried to poke fun at the iPhone not having a headphone jack in the Note launch event. That literally blew up in their face. No pun intended.
I think Apple spends much more time talking about their camera. Much more. I don't know if that has anything to do with perception. I imagine it does.

Apple talked about how their screen improved this year. And there are still folks in this forum that scoff when being told that a company that tests screens stated the note 7 was the all around best screen. Not making claims about you, just giving some ideas in what and how Apple says things molding people's perceptions.

I mean people are over here proclaiming how much better the 7 camera is from the 6s too. I just don't see the night and day differences people are shouting from the rooftops. Maybe they are there and in just that inept. I'm far from a photographer.

It's possible it's a user base thing too (regarding Flickr now). I have many friends in android and they all use google to manage photos though none have galaxy devices. I don't say this as evidence. It's anecdotal st best. I'm just saying that there are
Probably more factors beyond "best camersnin a device" that have to do with the use of the service. Fwiw we use Flickr too lol.
 
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There are a few things to take into consideration before our imaginations run wild as to what the magical iPhone of 2017 will bring:

Cost

Apple has profit margins to maintain. These margins are so hard they charged $20.00 more this year for the plus model just because of an additional camera. For Apple to include all these rumored new features in the 2017 model it means they have to either raise the price of the iPhone (which they wont) or maintain the same cost (by holding back features/changes).

The "keep them upgrading" Philosophy:

Apple usually will hold back any new features/hardware they have been working on and spread it over the course of a few years so that people continue to upgrade their phones and to keep cost down (see reason above).

I'd expect a redesign in 2017 and maybe a couple of new features. That's about it. I'd be really surprised to see Apple take a profit hit and release a 10 year anniversary iPhone loaded with features.
 
It's not that iPhone 6S is better than iPhone 7.

What people are saying is iPhone 7 simply isn't much of an upgrade over iPhone 6S.

As expected and in usual Apple fashion, they've cranked up the Apple Hype Machine. No other company has perfected smoke and mirrors marketing like Apple. That's a compliment . . . Just look at the billion dollar juggernaut they've become.

Only Apple could deliver such a modest upgrade and still have people lining up to buy the product.
Oddly, we mostly hear this from 6S owners who passed on the 7. The iPhone 7 is clearly a better phone than the 6S, but some just can't quite accept that. Apple itself says "the iPhone 7 has the most powerful chip ever put in a mobile device". I take them at their word. My iPhone 7 is the fast mobile device I've ever owned, and I've owned a lot of them from many manufacturers. I get that some 6S owners are not "wowed" by the new features, but I know many people who DID upgrade from a 6S and they are just thrilled with the 7.
 
Oddly, we mostly hear this from 6S owners who passed on the 7. The iPhone 7 is clearly a better phone than the 6S, but some just can't quite accept that. Apple itself says "the iPhone 7 has the most powerful chip ever put in a mobile device". I take them at their word. My iPhone 7 is the fast mobile device I've ever owned, and I've owned a lot of them from many manufacturers. I get that some 6S owners are not "wowed" by the new features, but I know many people who DID upgrade from a 6S and they are just thrilled with the 7.

The 7 is the best iPhone available no question. Is it worth upgrading from the 6s to the 7? Probably not IMHO. I could get it for free on company dime and I choose not too. The folks that did purchase the 7 did so for their own reasons and there is no right or wrong answer.
 
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So you are telling me the the iPhone camera technology follows after Samsung when I just gave you an example? iPhone camera photos are also dominating on FLICKR which is weird when you consider that Samsung practically tries to give their phone away with 2 for one deals and everything else.


I swear Samsung pays folks to troll this forum. They even got cute and tried to poke fun at the iPhone not having a headphone jack in the Note launch event. That literally blew up in their face. No pun intended.

Of course they HAVE! And they all use the same suppiers! They don't magically pull these camera sensors out of thin air, they don't even design them. Cameras are made and developed and designed by the suppliers, which is usually Sony and one or two others. The OEM like Apple then decide a what module to use and Samsung and others like them have always been ahead in the game with that, especially the camera software features which is made by Apple or Samsung etc until the new Plus phone.
IMO the camera on my iPhone 7 is not half as good as my 6S was, it's one of the reasons why I'm selling my iPhone 7.
BUT the new Plus is one of the few with ththe dual camera design, it is a leader, however the software still lacks in features offered, weather you think that's good or bad thing is up to you really.

As for the OP..

Next year you will get iPhone 7S and a special stupidly expensive OLED anniversary edition model, the
iPhone will then not change design until 2018. They announced on stage at the iPhone 7 launch the 'new design' as one of the ten key features. They have set it up as an Snversion for next year.
 
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What a bunch of unsubstantiated bs.
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You don't become the richest company on Earth with "smoke and mirrors", maybe there's a Samsung forum you could go back to?

You're right, you get there by not paying taxes.
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So I was thinking about this after the iPhone 7 dropped and I am not so sure the next iPhone will live up to the leaked rumors. Let's review a few of the rumors that dropped to see if they still hold up.

1. AMOLED Screen. Now that the 7 dropped with reportedly the best screen ever on a smartphone, would Apple drop this to move on to another tech after one year? Doubtful.

2. TouchID built into the screen. Doubtful now that we have seen the new Home Button implementation this year.

3. Reduced Bezel. Doubtful as the Home Button is iconic.

I hope I am wrong and obviously this is speculation but I feel like we will see this same design next year as the 7S.

Thoughts?


Surely the first point is there for a joke, apple haven't had that for many years.
 
Ive got a good solution to Apples stagnation....get a Samsung S7 edge. I can't see myself ever returning to Apple now that all the apps are platform agnostic.
 
Sorry, it's the other way around...and the number of pixels these days is virtually meaningless.

The amount of pixels in a camera became meaningless years ago for all but professional photographers who need the image blown up to massive sizes.

Not to get too long winded and boring (yeah, right, have you ever seen my posts :D) But let's take an example.

Choose a size for your printed photo, let's say a nice big 8 x 10 print. Multiply the width by 300, and the height by 300, which gives you the size you need in pixels. (On average 300ppi is what you'll use for a good quality print.)

So, an 8 x 10 print works out to 2,400 x 3,000 pixels. To get the total amount of pixels in the image multiply the width by the height. So when all is said and done that 8 x 10 inch print will contain 7.2 million pixels.

So there's your answer, normal consumers don't need any more than 8 million pixels in a camera. Too much more than that and the manufacturers are just playing the numbers game to lure people in.

In fact if you consider that most of the photos end up on places like Facebook or twitter, you're not going to need a camera with more than 1 million megapixels for that kind of stuff.

Far, far more important when it comes to cameras are the size of the sensor, the size of the pixels and so on and so on. Not the ridiculous amount of pixels some manufacturers cram in.

As for anything else with the iPhone 7, yeah they've just used a revised design. It's still an attractive phone compared to the majority of the competition. The hardware however is phenomenal. The A10 is a thoroughly impressive piece of work, the potential of which hasn't even begun to be tapped.

The screen isn't OLED, it is however the very best LCD ever to grace a phone. When was the last time you looked at your iPhone and decreed the image to be unbearable, I don't see anything wrong with the iPhone screens myself.

They've improved the sound and finally added stereo. They've finally made it water and dust resistant. The cameras are actually reLly good, especially on the 7 Plus. I spent days pouring over images from the iPhone 6/6s and Plus, 7/7+, Note 7, S7/Edge and others. I had no intention of upgrading this year, but the camera on the 7 Plus won me over.

I've seen a lot of grumbling about the cameras on forums and in reviews. I've seen reviews where they declared the cameras to be much the same as the 6s, despite that they seemed to have forgotten they had already said they were viewing them on their laptop. Yeah, that screen isn't going to show some of the improvements you div.

People are always going to have their preferences, they aren't going to be the same as everyone else's and that's good. But I spent a good bit of time comparing the iPhone 7 to the competition. Other than the frame they come in a lots similar but the iPhone, in my opinion wins out in a couple of key areas. The performance and the camera and as I don't care if the screens OLED or not and I especially don't want a completely unnecessarily high resolution screen in a tiny device. My choice is the iPhone 7 +.

I'm not devoted to Apple. I've had Samsung, HTC, LG, Nokia and Sony phones. So as far as I'm concerned it's an open field and I'll choose the one I deem to be the best. I don't care about reviews or what other people think and really, neither should anyone else.
 
Of course.

I am curious to know how many "genuine" professional photographers would use an iphone to take pics and then blow them up especially if it's a pic of their dinner entree. :)

I'd be curious as to how many professionals feel the need to constantly snap photos of everything they stuff into their mouths, never mind what they use to take it :D
 
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