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I was implying that

to upgrade the processor on the single-quads is far more easier than on the duals.. as you have noticed since you read the article.. personally, upgrading the duals doesn't apply to me as I don't have a need for a dual for what I use my system for..

I only went with the 3.33 to prolong my system as I am not sure how long my contract is going to be with Lockhead Martin at this point.


I read that thing on anandtech your'e talking about. It seemed to me like he talked about no lids for better ventilation. You can put one with a lid in, but you may have to worry a little more about temperature.
 
Have you read the article?

You will see its not like doing a pc processor upgrade or a single-quad mac pro upgrade.. these are different processors and no latch is holding them down.. the guy from anadtech had to spend out of pocket 2000 for a new board(processor board) and chips.. he is lucky his friends at crabtree apple store were so sympathetic to him.. had it have been my local apple store and I was manager there, I would have said:

"Kid, you fried your board and processors, your warranty is null and void, take a hike!"

as most would, but he was lucky as friends of his worked there and were anadtech readers.


I seriously doubt it's enough to be significant unless you're overclocking the processor. It is definitely cool that Intel has done it for apple, though.

If you wanted to do it, I wouldn't let the IHS stop you. :)
 
It seems like it would be possible to go from two 5520s to two 5570s aslong as you don't mix up the heatsinks. Other than that, you should be good. I am, however, curious if putting two 5580s would work, considering the power needs are different from the 5570s.
 
Mac Pros aren't about power. It's about long-term use. It's a workstation, something that is meant to last longer than a 4-5 years. I still see 8+ year old workstations being used in multiple IC design firms. And they're all Suns but that's another story.

This is an Apple Apologist's definition of "workstation".

I suggest sane people head over to wikipedia for a definition of workstation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workstation

"A workstation is a high-end microcomputer designed for technical or scientific applications."

You know the kinds of things that benefit from a lot of cores.

Apple needs to put out a dual-core Westmere Nehalem ASAP.
 
The sooner the better but aren't the Sandy Bridge processors that would ship by the end of the year consumer ones and not the server chips that would go into a Mac Pro?

Lets assume for a second they are the server chips. Perhaps, all these theories about Apple skipping the Gulftowns aren't as crazy as we thought.

What if Apple gets the same treatment as they did with the 2008 Mac Pros and gets their chips from Intel than the rest of the other vendors?

A wait from Q1 to Q4 probably isn't that lengthy considering the Mac Pro's nature, so it would be a sweet deal if the Mac Pro do actually get updated around September/October/November with Sandy Bridge ahead of their competitors. :)

Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong, but moving down to 32nm calls for cheaper prices too, right? I'm not so well versed in chip technology, but If this is the case, maybe Apple wants to avoid any further price hikes with going to 6 and 12 cores, as the current models obviously seem overpriced to many already.
 
This is an Apple Apologist's definition of "workstation".

I suggest sane people head over to wikipedia for a definition of workstation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workstation

"A workstation is a high-end microcomputer designed for technical or scientific applications."

You know the kinds of things that benefit from a lot of cores.

Apple needs to put out a dual-core Westmere Nehalem ASAP.

Thankfully there are some people who get it. I love how "workstation" is being used to mean "reliable" among the Apple fanboys. So an iMac is meant to be a 2000 dollar unreliable piece of junk?

ALL computers should last. Period. A workstation is meant to be incredibly powerful and loaded with features. This is certainly not the Mac Pro.
 
Lets assume for a second they are the server chips. Perhaps, all these theories about Apple skipping the Gulftowns aren't as crazy as we thought.

The assumption is highly likely wrong since that is not what Intel did last year, nor the year before. The initial run will use "less" of the new architecture (fewer cores and features ) because it is easier to get correct and into profitable production first. Once Intel is confident have worked out the kinks will move on to the server versions. That sequence also works better because the system vendors have longer test cycles they run on server/business class boxes than they run on $1099 special (and lower priced ) boxes they ship out.

So the server version is much more likely to come later. The projections for the Sandy Bridge Xeon class offerings is for a year from now.
The major feature of Sandy Bridge that Intel is excited about is the on die graphics processor. That isn't going to be in most (if any) of the Xeon class offerings.






What if Apple gets the same treatment as they did with the 2008 Mac Pros and gets their chips from Intel than the rest of the other vendors?

That was a one shot deal. I suspect many of the other vendors weren't particularly pleased with that and probably was also aided due to Apple being a very new entrant to the market for those ( so didn't have much of a legacy train to deal with. Nor did they likely have high volume relative to many of the competitors. )


Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong, but moving down to 32nm calls for cheaper prices too, right?

Short term; no. Not on the 32nm devices. You may see the older stuff from Intel drop but bringing online the next gen smaller dimensions typically costs billions. Most vendors initially attempt to pay themselves back for that very large investment.

When Intel introduced the new 32nm Xeons in March the prices went up not down. (e.g. , the 5650 is more expensive than the 5550 )

Intel tends to do what Apple does. Keep prices relatively constant and add more features that are to convey value to the new offering. This is reason why number of cores, cache , etc. keep going up. if Intel was shipping single core CPUs on 32nm the prices would all be down in the sub $110 range; even for Xeons.


Long term yeah they'll go down generally across the range of offerings.... but that will be long after the Mac Pro update ships. So far hasn't happened. There is no 3620 nor 3640 shipping on the 32nm line up. So there is no 32nm upgrade for the "entry/base" and "mid/better" level single CPU package Mac Pro. Not all of the new processors are going to be 6 core either. The entry level Mac Pro is likely going to be 4 core.


There is a common farce that folks keep trying to perpetrate here that Xeon prices crater when new tech comes long. They don't. The mid-range consumer processors change in price year over year. Xeons don't. There is a window for the consumer ones where they try to sell to the "tech spec buying" market. Those folks tend to pay more to have the latest greatest and then move onto to whatever is most shiny and new at the drop of a hat.
In business market folks tend to buy the reliably priced more so than the "most shiny and new".
 
Seriously, with GTX 480 and ATI 5870 drivers leaked, a GPU upgrade is as close as weeks away. With or without a new Mac Pro? Who knows, have not happened before though.

Huh? It happened with the GTX285 last year.
 
Thankfully there are some people who get it. I love how "workstation" is being used to mean "reliable" among the Apple fanboys. So an iMac is meant to be a 2000 dollar unreliable piece of junk?

ALL computers should last. Period. A workstation is meant to be incredibly powerful and loaded with features. This is certainly not the Mac Pro.

Just because people say a Mac Pro is reliable doesn't mean any other computers aren't reliable. And when did anyone call an iMac a piece of junk?

I definitely agree with you in that all computers should last a good amount of time. Personally, I think the main points in a workstation should be it's power and expandability.
 
Two more days until we reach the 500 day milestone.


I've been watching the 500 day milestone slowly approach, never thought it would arrive. Perhaps a mass emailing to Steve (that would obviously have no effect) asking Apple to at least remove the 'new' from the Mac Pro page.
 
Photoshop is only as good as the operator.;)
Mine would totally suck (don't have a license, haven't touched it since the mid '90's, and only barely played with it then). :rolleyes: :p

Nicely done BTW. :D Some might miss it at too quick a glance (not actually read past the CPU designation).
 
Actually, that's how System Profiler is currently reading them - DDR2, not DDR3 - they are OCZ DDR3 OCZ3P1600LV6GK; nor is it reading the 4.1 GHz overclock - It had to be added manually.
Odd.

On a side note, I've used that memory myself (same exact kit), and never had any issues with it. But it was in a Windows based system, not an MP (returned the MP as it didn't do what I needed; '08 model).
 
The pic is from a non-MP. It is also a Windows based system.
I'm usually familiar with that screen giving the correct information in a Hackintosh though (at least close in cases where there are discrepancies). Though I'll concede that many are based on boards and whatnot that use the same primary components as Apple's systems. Fewer issues that way. ;)
 
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