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So when Lee told the reporters that it was a "she," what and who exactly was he referring to? Ellen being the final Cylon? If so, does that mean Tigh told revealed it, and to whom, when?:confused:

Apparently he revealed it, not sure when or under what circumstances though. Did D'anna then confirm it as well since she's actually seen the fifth? Missed that part too - talk about anti-climactic... :p ;)
 
So when Lee told the reporters that it was a "she," what and who exactly was he referring to? Ellen being the final Cylon? If so, does that mean Tigh told revealed it, and to whom, when?:confused:

I'm always confused by the "machines" choice to make more male Cylon models than Females...

You'd think they'd make 6 male 6 female, but it's currently 7 to 5 in favor of the males.

I guess they might make more of each female model, but since reproduction was the goal you'd think that there would be more female design variants.

It could have been purely speculation on Lee's part along these lines, but his reaction when the press latched onto the gender, made it seem more like a slip than a simple misspeak.
 
Apparently he revealed it, not sure when or under what circumstances though. Did D'anna then confirm it as well since she's actually seen the fifth? Missed that part too - talk about anti-climactic... :p ;)

Anti-climactic is right! Every episode we see "One will be revealed" - and it's Ellen?! What the... I was hoping it would at least be someone still alive! But it is BSG, nobody's really dead until the Season Finale. Even Cally may not be dead yet!:eek:

I'm always confused by the "machines" choice to make more male Cylon models than Females...

You'd think they'd make 6 male 6 female, but it's currently 7 to 5 in favor of the males.

I guess they might make more of each female model, but since reproduction was the goal you'd think that there would be more female design variants.

It could have been purely speculation on Lee's part along these lines, but his reaction when the press latched onto the gender, made it seem more like a slip than a simple misspeak.

At least all the females are pretty hot (and most are seen every week).:D
 
Anti-climactic is right! Every episode we see "One will be revealed" - and it's Ellen?! What the... I was hoping it would at least be someone still alive! But it is BSG, nobody's really dead until the Season Finale. Even Cally may not be dead yet!:eek:

Exactly, that's why I said I'm not 100% convinced yet. If it is Ellen though then it will make for some interesting dynamics between her, Tigh, Caprica Six and the Cylon child. :D

And yes, I'm sure in the finale we'll see Ellen, Cally, Dee, Kat, Duck and Billy all come back. :p ;)
 
Even Cally may not be dead yet!:eek:

If that bitch comes back, I will download into a new body and shove her out a spacelock. :eek: :D

It is rather weird if Ellen is the last of the final five.

But another possibility is that the Cylons who were apparently the 13th Tribe were able to mate? Maybe the reason they left was to form a society where they lived and died and had children, instead of downloading into new bodies? Which is maybe why Tigh could knock up Caprica? So then it's possible perhaps that Ellen is the last of the Final Five but there are other cylons who aren't designed models (like Tigh and Caprica's baby isn't a designed Cylon, even though he/she is a full Cylon). Maybe?

Who knows. So far, the second half of the season seems off to a nice start.
 
But another possibility is that the Cylons who were apparently the 13th Tribe were able to mate? Maybe the reason they left was to form a society where they lived and died and had children, instead of downloading into new bodies? Which is maybe why Tigh could knock up Caprica? So then it's possible perhaps that Ellen is the last of the Final Five but there are other cylons who aren't designed models (like Tigh and Caprica's baby isn't a designed Cylon, even though he/she is a full Cylon). Maybe?

Who knows. So far, the second half of the season seems off to a nice start.

What if the Tigh/Caprica baby turns out to be fully human? Humans are the result of a successful Cylon/Cylon mating. Would that make the 12 Cylon models the 12 Gods of Cobol?
 
What if the Tigh/Caprica baby turns out to be fully human? Humans are the result of a successful Cylon/Cylon mating. Would that make the 12 Cylon models the 12 Gods of Cobol?
But wouldn't that have meant some of the skeletons on Earth would show as human?
 
But wouldn't that have meant some of the skeletons on Earth would show as human?

Not if the humans were sent away since they were thought incapable of breeding with they Cylons.

Or maybe there was a war long ago and all of the humans had evacuated and only a few Cylons remained. It's not like they dug deep and at multiple sites to confirm that there were never humans on "earth."
 
But wouldn't that have meant some of the skeletons on Earth would show as human?

How did they conclude that all the skeletons were Cylon? Didn't they say that the Colonial side verified the results? Up until now, besides Baltar's "Cylon Detector," I thought the Colonials couldn't tell.
 
How did they conclude that all the skeletons were Cylon? Didn't they say that the Colonial side verified the results? Up until now, besides Baltar's "Cylon Detector," I thought the Colonials couldn't tell.

The best explanation right now is that the cylons know how to tell themselves from humans, and that now they're working together it's not a problem.

I'm a little disappointed at how little Baltar's role as a supposedly brilliant scientist has seemed to matter since, I don't know, he realized how to cure Roslyn's first cancer. Certainly, the show was originally a little more oriented around "tangibles" at the beginning - water, fuel, low gravity, nuclear power and fallout on Caprica. I miss that because it grounded the show more firmly in "hard science fiction" instead of what seems to have become a more "spiritual science fiction." Granted, as an adaptation, exploration of the spiritual is part of the reinterpretation.

I thought this episode, "The Oath," was pretty good. From the writer of "Black Market" it could even be considered amazing. The action kept going (it had a nice cliffhanger), and it was nice to see the revolution set up in the last episode come to peak so quickly. BSG was originally never very concerned with "runners," those tiny scenes in tv that remind us that something is going on but don't do much else. I remember being super impressed in Season 1 with Boomer's suspicion that she was a cylon - they introduced it early on and I thought it would take the whole season to develop, but they cut right to it in the second episode of the season when Boomer "wakes up" in a storage locker drenched in water with a bag full of plastic explosives. That was suspenseful tv.

On the other hand, while Gaeta had reasonable motives to want to stop the cylon alliance, the episode seemed to go out of its way to assure us that he deserved to die by giving him all sorts of reprehensible decisions to make. I thought it would have been more interesting if Verheiden, the writer, would have taken more pains to "convince" us of the rebels' point of view.

Unfortunately, the simple fact that only minor characters, evil personalities from the show's past, and unknowns make up the bulk of the rebellion (besides Gaeta himself) guarantees that they will be quickly thwarted, and many of them killed.

I'm not sure I understood the point of Roslyn's decision to stop being the President for just a little while. I guess, plotwise, it was to allow the government to spiral out of control and to give her a chance to cosy up to Adama outside of the tensions of their jobs. It just goes to show how so many decisions get made in Galactica: plot first, a clean arc for its characters and a natural pace second and third. It's part of why Galactica's characters seem to play musical chairs with their jobs: one day Lee's a viper pilot, then a statesman, then a commander, then a lawyer, and now he's a statesman again. In this episode he got to play soldier once more, which honestly is where he seems to fit best. It was nice to see Starbuck get back to those roots, too.

There haven't been any real disappointments yet this season, and to be honest this was the episode that I was most worried about. I predict a steady increase in quality until the end. The wildcard would seem to be the episode after next, which will be written by a green writer, Ryan Mottesheard, who according to imdb has never written a produced screenplay before. He's been a script consultant of some kind for much of the show, but BSG appears to have been where he got his break. Quite exciting, I hope!
 
I thought last night's episode was pretty good, if just about what had to happen. No surprises.

Highlight for me was Roslyn's speech after Zarek tells her Adama is dead. Low was probably that Zarek had to go out this way, as a regular bad guy that gets his comeuppance. His debut was as an idealist who used the law as a weapon, much more like Gaeta was in this episode. In fact, it would have fit better for me if their positions had been reversed.

So did the cylons, after voting to officially leave the fleet, just decide not to for no reason? It wasn't as if, at that point, Roslyn was effecting much control over them.
 
That is one nasty crack in the engine room of the Battlestar :eek:

I couldn't tell - was that real, or did Tyrol slip into some sort of vision? :confused: The way the camera panned seemed odd, as if the location changed...

Glad to see that Anders is still alive for next week as well - and Ellen, the final Cylon returns! I'm curious where exactly she is when she comes out of the Cylon "bath" - obviously there must be some special location where the final 5 download? And how is their downloading process different from the others? So many questions... looks like lots of answers next week though, at least according to Anders! :cool:
 
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So I think the planet they found wasn't really earth but was the cyclon earth. Thats why the final five were able to find it.

What this means for starbuck, who knows?

Thus Earth is still out there

I to think that was a crack in the ship's hull at the end of the scene. The crack problem (ha ha :D ) might bring towards the trustingness of the cylons, because they'll need them to help them fix the ship or board their ship in a last resort. :eek: Shrug...

Mighty good episode, that kept me at the edge of my seat for 45 minutes.

Oh, and I miss Dualla :(
 
Glad to see that Anders is still alive for next week as well
That whole shooting thing was just a plot device to stop them having to hide Michael Trucco's real life neck scar following his car accident. I never worried he would die TBH.
So I think the planet they found wasn't really earth but was the cyclon earth. Thats why the final five were able to find it.
No, that was Earth. To quote Felix Gaeta when the fleet arrived- "Constellations are a match".

Face it Skinjob, you and I are Cylons ;)
 
Low was probably that Zarek had to go out this way, as a regular bad guy that gets his comeuppance. His debut was as an idealist who used the law as a weapon, much more like Gaeta was in this episode. In fact, it would have fit better for me if their positions had been reversed.

I disagree. I always thought Zarek was a regular bad guy that masqueraded as an idealist. I was glad that his true nature manifested itself fully in this episode. To me, it fit with his character perfectly: he really was a bad guy, who claimed idealism, and as soon as things got hairy, he showed his true colors. Gaeta, on the other hand, has always been an idealist in my mind. Gaeta was the real version of what Zarek claimed to be.
 
I disagree. I always thought Zarek was a regular bad guy that masqueraded as an idealist. I was glad that his true nature manifested itself fully in this episode. To me, it fit with his character perfectly: he really was a bad guy, who claimed idealism, and as soon as things got hairy, he showed his true colors. Gaeta, on the other hand, has always been an idealist in my mind. Gaeta was the real version of what Zarek claimed to be.

Michael Angeli, the writer of the episode, characterized him [Zarek] as a realist, which seems interesting considering his status as a prisoner of conscience and hero of the people in Bastille Day, when he first appeared. In that episode, the writers seemed more scrupulous about presenting him in a double light. He did go a bit evil in season 2 though, yeah.
 
According to this, John "I'm a PC" Hodgman will guest star as a doctor in the next episode. Here is a picture:

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haha! i wouldn't wanna get operated by this guy.

anyway, since almost all was revealed in this episode i'm surprised that there is no discussion. i'm not sure what to think. i'm glad that things are quite reasonable and not too much fantasy/mystic. will be interesting to see how it will continue and end from here.
 
The show is growing backstory like a tumor. They're patching holes in the plot like it was the Galactica's rotten hull. In fact, fixing the hull was the only thread (out of the three) that wasn't purely expositional. No wonder they got the green writer to do it; no one else must have wanted the job of delivering so much information at once!

It also got my goat that Adama was all cylon-friendly with Galen and willing to use cylon tech in the fleet earlier in the season, yet he still has to fight about Galactica. I understand there's a difference, but resentment of the fleet cylons has become such an old, mangy hat now that we know they're harmless. It's hard to empathize with someone who doesn't get what the audience has known for weeks.
 
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