The Official Battlestar Galactica Thread : SPOILERS

[Abulia]

THANK GOD.

We're finally off of New Craprica.


Is this is the part where the series becomes good again? I sure hope so. My friends and I were very pleased that the four part resistance arc was over (I called it back when the finale aired that we'd have to suffer through 4-6 epsiodes of the resistance).

Oh, and scratch one Pegasus. Check.

Finally some decent character development in Tigh having to make a DIFFICULT DECISION. There's been damn few of those in BSG since S1.

You know the really funny thing about the finale and these four episodes? The status quo has been restored. (Hey, I'm happy about that.) But to the rest of you fawning all over New Craprica and the Iraq/Nazi parallels, consider that in the end, they were meaningless. The one year jump. The Cylon occupation. The resistance. Ron Moore gave you all the big finger. The brave new direction of BSG lasted 4 episodes.

Again, I'm happy we're back to what BSG is about (the journey) but the four episode pit stop just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Much ado over nothing.

 

[NeoMac]

Wow, that trailer for FS bSG mod looks great! I might just have to get it working on my powerbook for that in itself.



Yes. Very Robotech/Macross. The SDF did its first jump in the air just above - dang, which island was that i can't remember - I was waiting for the huge suck and bang of all the air filling the gap where BSG was.

They kinda did it, but not in the large impact way I was hoping for.

Thank you writers of BSG for getting them off NC asap. That storyline was boring me to tears and just the last moments with the hum of BSG in the background made it all worth it again in my eyes.

I wonder why no one checked out the ship hulls for integrity before jumping? Four months and all the seals still work.

I really like Baltar's character, yea I know you can call it cheezy or thin, but very few shows have characters like that anymore. lets hope he stays in the picture for a good long time.

Oh, and all the Vipers BSP left to guard the fleet, what happens when they have to refuel or hit the head? Does the fleet have independant servicing ships independand of the BSs? I never saw them.

Great end to a day sitting in bed sick.

The island name was macross. That's funny I thought about Robotech also when I saw that scene.

 

[Queso]

You know the really funny thing about the finale and these four episodes? The status quo has been restored. (Hey, I'm happy about that.)

I can't see how it is the status quo. There's all sorts of new dynamics that jumping forward a year and New Caprica have thrown up. Baltar is gone, as is Ellen. Tom and Laura are, well, getting on rather well. A lot of characters are now in relationships.

Top that with two ships worth of fleet officers scrabbling for their places in the heirarchy when there's only one ship to crew, and the inevitable mistrust and witchhunts that will take place amongst the humans in the fleet itself.

And it looks as if the Cylons are splitting apart into factions as time goes on. How will Hera's presence work in with that?

Only the journey is the same. The situation is even more desperate, the characters are different, as is the enemy. Hardly going backwards.

 

[mkrishnan]

The island name was macross. That's funny I thought about Robotech also when I saw that scene.

Good memories!

 

[Mr. Anderson]

I don't think it was a 4 episode diversion - far from it. We can look forward to all sorts of things to happen because of the one year gap/New Caprica stuff.

As they start getting closer to Earth, it will be very interesting if they start finding other humans - that was a huge part of the original show and we've not seen any of that before.

Besides, does anyone think it odd that by traveling to find Earth, all they're doing is bringing the Cylons along with them? Who knows what level of tech the Earth will have. I'm still sort of doubtful that the Earth is actually the 13th colony - instead its the real home world and its just been mentioned as another colony for the scriptures. Given that the time frame is millennia since the flight from Kobol, who knows. And who were the Gods? Why Greek mythology? Why the Zodiac for the colonies and back in season 2.0 the "map" uses the constellations?

If the Tomb of Athena was built before the exodus from Kobol, it makes it odd that they'd know where Earth was?

I think its a cult the left/fled Earth, found Kobol and settled there - living out their fantasies as Greek Gods. Then something happened and they had to leave Kobol and start over with the 12 colonies, leaving clues about the true human home world (look at the geologic and fossil record, etc.) That's too far a departure I think to have Kobol the true home world. Besides, it makes it all the more interesting.

These are just speculations, so don't slam me....

D

 

[nagromme]

Is this is the part where the series becomes good again? I sure hope so. My friends and I were very pleased that the four part resistance arc was over (I called it back when the finale aired that we'd have to suffer through 4-6 epsiodes of the resistance).

To each their own, I won't demand that everyone share my likes and dislikes

But I think the New Caprica arc was one of the best in the series. I LIKE that it was a change from the status quo. I LIKE that the series dares to do things like that. You KNEW they weren't really going to settle on NC... it's not the pattern of the show. But they DID, for a year and a half! That's good storytelling. Patterns = comfortable... but comfortable = bad!

That said, I too am glad to see the show back in space, which was inevitable.

And I also like the NC arc in its own right, but of course that's subjective--different people like different things. No harm in that.

And a whole LOT has changed from this--see my long post on the previous page. Also, it got into Cylon society a lot more, and I find that interesting.

Really, I find the NC arc more interesting and more vital to the journey than the Kobol arc. (Speaking of being planetbound.) Not that the Kobol arc was bad, but the NC arc really shook up some assumptions in fun ways. Now we're back in space, the better for it: many new issues to be dealt with!

 

[leekohler]

To each their own, I won't demand that everyone share my likes and dislikes

But I think the New Caprica arc was one of the best in the series. I LIKE that it was a change from the status quo. I LIKE that the series dares to do things like that. You KNEW they weren't really going to settle on NC... it's not the pattern of the show. But they DID, for a year and a half! That's good storytelling. Patterns = comfortable... but comfortable = bad!

That said, I too am glad to see the show back in space, which was inevitable.

And I also like the NC arc in its own right, but of course that's subjective--different people like different things. No harm in that.

And a whole LOT has changed from this--see my long post on the previous page. Also, it got into Cylon society a lot more, and I find that interesting.

Really, I find the NC arc more interesting and more vital to the journey than the Kobol arc. (Speaking of being planetbound.) Not that the Kobol arc was bad, but the NC arc really shook up some assumptions in fun ways. Now we're back in space, the better for it: many new issues to be dealt with!

I agree as well. These first episodes of season 3 are the best so far. If that was Ron Moore's middle finger, it sure felt good.

 

[nagromme]

Besides, does anyone think it odd that by traveling to find Earth, all they're doing is bringing the Cylons along with them? Who knows what level of tech the Earth will have.

I tend to think Earth is just us--present day--with some synchronicity (names, ramen noodles, etc.) between cultures that can't be explained without spiritual/supernatural ties and some suspension of disbelief (which I can deal with). SOME of it can be explained by long-lost memories of a shared Kobol culture... which maybe the ancient Greeks and Romans preserved more than others. (I assume Earth's story involves humans landing and then falling apart and losing their technology for a long time. But... fossils? There's that suspension of disbelief again. Well, I think you're not supposed to analyze the Earth side too much But I do like your theory of swapping Kobol and Earth! And the time frame is up in the air: the show MIGHT be in the distant past or future, though the map seems to show present-day stars. And we might never know...)

As for bringing the Cylons to Earth, I agree--although I'm sure they (irrationally) hope to shake the Cylons before then. I think a GREAT ending for the series would be that they detect Earth... and Adama urgently tells the fleet to run away from it. The fleet obeys at the last minute, and Adams explains that unless they are SURE the Cylons are gone, they can never go home to Earth or humanity could be wiped out completely. So they just have to make their life in space the best they can. Then the series ends with a Raider finding the fleet and hopping away

If the Tomb of Athena was built before the exodus from Kobol, it makes it odd that they'd know where Earth was?

Two ways they could know: prophecy and spirituality (which seems to be real in this show), OR the Earth folks knew where they were heading and left a record (not to mention the name!).

There's also the question of how the map knows what the constellations look like NOW, after stellar drift. But that's easy: high-tech! The Mac app Celestia can show constellations from any time, so you bet Kobol tech can Or, that map could show another time entirely, and the show is the far future or past.

I agree as well. These first episodes of season 3 are the best so far. If that was Ron Moore's middle finger, it sure felt good.

Thanks. Really, thanks so much for that

 

[Queso]

But I do like your theory of swapping Kobol and Earth! And the time frame is up in the air: the show MIGHT be in the distant past or future, though the map seems to show present-day stars. And we might never know...)

That's definitely a thought. What if they get to Earth to find it was destroyed in a long-ago war between men and their machine servants? So they go form a new colony and start afresh, only to make the same mistake again after several millenia.

"All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again"

We never did find out how Kobol was ruined, did we?

 

[leekohler]

Thanks. Really, thanks so much for that

Descriptive language can be so powerful! I knew someone would appreciate it. Oh, and you're welcome.

 

[BearRanger]

I don't think it was a 4 episode diversion - far from it. We can look forward to all sorts of things to happen because of the one year gap/New Caprica stuff.

As they start getting closer to Earth, it will be very interesting if they start finding other humans - that was a huge part of the original show and we've not seen any of that before.

Besides, does anyone think it odd that by traveling to find Earth, all they're doing is bringing the Cylons along with them? Who knows what level of tech the Earth will have. I'm still sort of doubtful that the Earth is actually the 13th colony - instead its the real home world and its just been mentioned as another colony for the scriptures. Given that the time frame is millennia since the flight from Kobol, who knows. And who were the Gods? Why Greek mythology? Why the Zodiac for the colonies and back in season 2.0 the "map" uses the constellations?

If the Tomb of Athena was built before the exodus from Kobol, it makes it odd that they'd know where Earth was?

I think its a cult the left/fled Earth, found Kobol and settled there - living out their fantasies as Greek Gods. Then something happened and they had to leave Kobol and start over with the 12 colonies, leaving clues about the true human home world (look at the geologic and fossil record, etc.) That's too far a departure I think to have Kobol the true home world. Besides, it makes it all the more interesting.

These are just speculations, so don't slam me....

D

I'm not going to slam you, because I think these are interesting speculations.

You bring up a point that was the whole reason for the (horrible) "Galactica 1980". If you know the Cylons are chasing you, why would you lead them to a planet of primitive humans? In that show Adama chose not to do it.

Your other points remind me of Roger Zelazny's "Lord of Light". Technologically advanced humans setting themselves up as gods, although in that case it was the gods of the Hindu pantheon. An excellent book, btw. In fact, the Hindu "gods" in that novel reincarnated in a very similar fashion to the Cylons. In the BSG context, your argument would support the Cylon belief that the human gods were either a myth or false.

Of course, the 12 Cylon models could be seen as a parallel, depending on how far you want to push this. One for each colony world. It makes you wonder...

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Of course, the 12 Cylon models could be seen as a parallel, depending on how far you want to push this. One for each colony world. It makes you wonder...

We don't know enough about the Cylons to see if there is a 12 Cylon Model/Gods of Kobol connection. Especially what the male/female ratio is and how they relate to the constellations/gods. But it is interesting - and regardless of speculation, there are so many ways to go with this.

One thing that really gets me is that over the course of the show CMDR Adama is seen working on a model of a frigate or some such sail powered naval vessel. How is that possible that they'd have that? Given that the flight from Kobol required space travel = technology. And that the 12 colonies would have to know about where they came from, even if they reverted back to older tech when they arrived on the 12 planets, its just strange to think that they'd resort to wind power and black power canons

Maybe the Gods were technologically superior (space flight) aliens and the humans were really low tech.

Like I said, so many ways to go with this one - I'm looking forward to seeing how they do it.

And I never saw BSG 1980 - not sure if I'd want to

D

 

[nagromme]

The new show's creators have proven themselves very creative, able to surprise, and not tied to the original show. So really, anything's possible!

Even a seer who seemed to be lifted right out of Dune (I don't care, I liked that scene.)

"All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again"

We never did find out how Kobol was ruined, did we?

They did mention SOMETHING about that, I could swear. But I forget why I think that, and battlestarwiki.org (which has been severely bogged down for days) turned up little. I must just be crazy. Or confusing it with Serenity

One thing that really gets me is that over the course of the show CMDR Adama is seen working on a model of a frigate or some such sail powered naval vessel. How is that possible that they'd have that? Given that the flight from Kobol required space travel = technology. And that the 12 colonies would have to know about where they came from, even if they reverted back to older tech when they arrived on the 12 planets, its just strange to think that they'd resort to wind power and black power canons

I assume that humans used such sailing vessels in the past--on Kobol--and that history was never forgotten.

 

[Queso]

One thing that really gets me is that over the course of the show CMDR Adama is seen working on a model of a frigate or some such sail powered naval vessel. How is that possible that they'd have that? Given that the flight from Kobol required space travel = technology. And that the 12 colonies would have to know about where they came from, even if they reverted back to older tech when they arrived on the 12 planets, its just strange to think that they'd resort to wind power and black power canons

They also drive round in jeeps and army trucks every time they visit a planet. I would have thought the internal combustion engine kind of redundant when they have Raptors, but still...

 

[Marble]

It seems feasible to me that technological traditions, as the founding principles for more modern techniques, would be remembered. Then again, the bigger the fan, the bigger the capacity for rationalization .

 

[~Shard~]

In some ways it is sad to see them leave New Caprica and get back to the whole “find Earth while being chased by the Cylons” formula, but the NC arc has served its purpose - it thrust the human race into a different environment, it tackled gripping issues involving occupation, it allowed a year to lapse in which who knows what happened (in other words, an excellent amount of backstory to fill), there was amazing character development (Thrace, Tigh, Tyrol, Baltar, Gaeda, the list goes on...), we learned more about the Cylons and their apparent internal conflicts, there was the whole Hera thing, Boomer becoming an Officer again – man, so much happened, what a great story arc! And, perhaps most importantly, it showed us that the writer’s are not afraid to push the limits, take the show in different directions and take risks. Always just staying in space is too safe. As nagromme said, comfortable = bad! And although Abulia mentioned how “nothing happened” and we are “back to status quo”, I think it's fairly obvious that nothing could be further from the truth.

Oh, and don’t forget one of the best moments in the show’s history with Galactica jumping into NC’s atmosphere and then the Pegasus subsequently saving the day. Simply amazing.

And it’s great how in some respects things are back to normal (no Pegasus, fleeing the Cylons, searching for Earth, etc.) yet in other respects, so much development has happened since last season things are hardly “back to normal”. What a great show.

 

[XNine]

Well, I usually hate scifi tv shows. But, I must admit that BG is FRACKING AWESOME.

I borrowed the mini series from a friend. Told him "meh." Then borrowed the first season, and I was SO pissed at the end of he first season. I was like NO! NO! YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT HANGING LIKE THAT!

So we're getting together tonight to start watching the second season.

This show, rocks. Number Six, Boomer, and Starbuck... man, what a foursome with those chicks would be like! WOOT!

 

[DISCOMUNICATION]

I think a GREAT ending for the series would be that they detect Earth... and Adama urgently tells the fleet to run away from it. The fleet obeys at the last minute, and Adams explains that unless they are SURE the Cylons are gone, they can never go home to Earth or humanity could be wiped out completely. So they just have to make their life in space the best they can. Then the series ends with a Raider finding the fleet and hopping away

I hear the running joke on set is they find Earth, but the fleet is blown to bits by the president of the United States. Sounds like David Boreanez' joke about his end for Angel. The vampire wins his humanity. Walks out into the sunlight and gets hit by a bus.

 

[nagromme]

I hear the running joke on set is they find Earth, but the fleet is blown to bits by the president of the United States. Sounds like David Boreanez' joke about his end for Angel. The vampire wins his humanity. Walks out into the sunlight and gets hit by a bus.

Joss Whedon would totally do that, too.

 

[wonga1127]

As for bringing the Cylons to Earth, I agree--although I'm sure they (irrationally) hope to shake the Cylons before then. I think a GREAT ending for the series would be that they detect Earth... and Adama urgently tells the fleet to run away from it. The fleet obeys at the last minute, and Adams explains that unless they are SURE the Cylons are gone, they can never go home to Earth or humanity could be wiped out completely. So they just have to make their life in space the best they can. Then the series ends with a Raider finding the fleet and hopping away

Good idea, but I would make it more memorable. They'd find Earth, and see that we are pretty lame, pick up some CB frequencies, and fly off with the Fleet singing "Convoy".

 

[~Shard~]

Good idea, but I would make it more memorable. They'd find Earth, and see that we are pretty lame, pick up some CB frequencies, and fly off with the Fleet singing "Convoy".

How about they find Earth, hate it, and proceed to join up with the Cylons in nuking it to oblivion. Perhaps in that way Earth will truly be the key which brings the humans and Cylons together again in peace!

 

[clayj]

Number Six, Boomer, and Starbuck... man, what a foursome with those chicks would be like! WOOT!

Those three would eat you alive... especially Katee Sackhoff. (I like her better with the long hair.)

 

[~Shard~]

Those three would eat you alive... especially Katee Sackhoff. (I like her better with the long hair.)

Yeah, she does look more feminine with the longer hair - it definitely looks good on her. That being said, nothing wrong with the rough, spunky tomboy look either...

 

[vniow]

That being said, nothing wrong with the rough, spunky tomboy look either...

Nope.

 

[benthewraith]

They destroyed the Pegasus.

I strongly suspect either A) They're going to find Earth and no one's going to be there, B) We're extinct or long gone to another galaxy/universe, C) The Cylons found it a long time ago and destroyed it.

On that note, I rather like Hera myself (the reporter cylon).