So your argument is that the dual core i7 13" Surfacebook is £500 cheaper than the 15" quad core MBP, interesting comparison. Better be quick Microsoft is throwing in a free xbox one as well to encourage sales
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So your argument is that the dual core i7 13" Surfacebook is £500 cheaper than the 15" quad core MBP, interesting comparison. Better be quick Microsoft is throwing in a free xbox one as well to encourage sales
They're throwing in an Xbox because the new generation is coming out in a week (more like 2 months for the UK but I should be able to get it shipped over from the US thanks to family).
In my use case, and for most non-professionals who own macs, two cores with HT is more than enough. I've done photo editing and highly cpu-bound gaming (fm, civ 5) on older U series chips and they handle it just fine, and that was without a very good dGPU for the price and size.
Microsoft's own CS rivals Apple's, for the Surface line and for other products purchased from microsoft stores. Not sure what you mean by reliability.. Sure some windows laptops have shoddy builds but they're not inherently unreliable
Lol, a maxed out Surface Book still has a 13" screen and a dual core processor. The 15" MBP beats that even for that price difference for me.
There's also the trackpad. I have yet to see a single Windows trackpad with the natural feel of the Mac trackpad. It's a driver issue with the way Windows chooses to handle pointer IO (there's a priority for mouse features, such as sensitivity/acceleration, that's why they work better in Windows). For that reason, it's practically impossible for any manufacturer to come close to the same feeling. Yes, I've tried the XPS line, Razer, and Surface. No, it's not even comparable.
As much as i have crapped on the new macbooks the past couple days, i agree with this 100%. I think sometimes, you just like something and are willing to pay for it. Life really is too short to be living it sacrificing on everything you love.
Me personally? I dont need a laptop right now. Or probably even for a few years so im good. If i did, i don't feel like i would be sacrificing much going to a windows laptop. I feel there is value there for me in price and that the OS is finally good enough to use comfortably.
But if you think switching to windows would leave you bummed out and it would just make you unhappy, i think paying more for something you like is totally reasonable
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Now this is hyperbole. I've tried the surface book. It is DAMN close to feeling identical to an apple trackpad. DAMN close.
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At the MS keynote you probably didnt even watch they touted the highest customer satisfaction rate of any laptop ever with great customer service. So yeah. There's that. Sometimes things change MS has stepped up and we should be proud of that. Not bashing them because of what they used to be.
For me it OS X and the trackpad (trackpaps on windows laptop usually are s*it!), some apps might be keeping me as well (final cut is nice) some others are porting to windows (seriff Affinity series), so that might not be the main reason.
But yeah, reasons for choosing a Mac are getting less and less
Switching one phone with another is not that difficult as you don't have any emotions with it lol... Thus, you cannot compare the situation with changing your life partner.
Apart from your personal life, I totally agree with you that if you don't like Windows or maybe Linux so you should not use it... regardless of how super class it runs!
Mac has its own charm... and if we talk about the latest MacBook Pro, its new features like touch bar etc. simply made up my mind to give it a go. I never mind paying bucks for a thing that gives me pleasure
But on the downside, I really don't like the idea of the removal of USB port and SD card plugin in it.
Let me add my experiences with windows laptops. I have had Samsung ultrabook for the last couple of years and while I always found it more pleasing to the eye than the macbook air, I get so frustrated using it.
The trackpad, while it feels exactly like a macbook one, is so frustrating it hurts. When the power is plugged in, it becomes more unresponsive. From the start it would become hard to press or get stuck. With windows 8 there were more gestures, but since windows 8.1 they stripped them almost completely. Then some returned with windows 10, then they removed them again only now to have some limited use; double finger to scroll, triple finger to go back and forward. Another issue is the proprietary ports for ethernet and vga, dongles cost 90 dollar combined. Then there are driver issues, wifi issue (goodness the amount of times a day I need to reconnect and fail to do so).
So last year I was seriously impressed with the surface pro 4, and decided to buy one to replace my samsung. I always wanted to get a surface and was awaiting for a worthy one. With the 4th generation it seemed like they finally nailed it. I was wrong. While the hardware is truly beautiful and awe inspiring, it was still lacking in places where you use them most.
Keyboard was fine but using it was like tapping on cardboard. The annoying thuds you would hear made the device feel cheap. The trackpad still sucked. Scrolling with two fingers took 1 cm of movement with your fingers before it started registering. They updated this but I tested it and it's still not equal as my awful samsung trackpad. Windows 10 native gestures are just useless, tap with three fingers to start cortana, who seriously thinks that is a good use? Or the other useless gestures, three finger swipe up to start a new file explorer window. And I had to use the trackpad because I came to dislike the touch screen. Windows is still not optimized for touch and scaling is still horrible.
But the reason I got the device was the pen. Which also was a letdown. The amount of force I needed to apply for it to register the pen was too high. You couldn't strike lightly, only hard or harder. And the pen still created jagged lines and lines I didn't draw. Oh and one last thing, the fan got kicked in for the smallest stuff, and was it loud. If someone was in the same room they would get startled by the jet engine. And the final last thing, windows 10 software still sucks, the amount of time I actually lost hours of work because of it is saddening.
In the end I vowed not to get a windows device anymore, not in the upcoming 5 years anyways. The grass isn't always greener (maybe goes both ways).
The trackpad, while it feels exactly like a macbook one, is so frustrating it hurts. When the power is plugged in, it becomes more unresponsive. From the start it would become hard to press or get stuck. With windows 8 there were more gestures, but since windows 8.1 they stripped them almost completely. Then some returned with windows 10, then they removed them again only now to have some limited use; double finger to scroll, triple finger to go back and forward. Another issue is the proprietary ports for ethernet and vga, dongles cost 90 dollar combined. Then there are driver issues, wifi issue (goodness the amount of times a day I need to reconnect and fail to do so).
So last year I was seriously impressed with the surface pro 4, and decided to buy one to replace my samsung. I always wanted to get a surface and was awaiting for a worthy one. With the 4th generation it seemed like they finally nailed it. I was wrong. While the hardware is truly beautiful and awe inspiring, it was still lacking in places where you use them most.
Keyboard was fine but using it was like tapping on cardboard. The annoying thuds you would hear made the device feel cheap. The trackpad still sucked. Scrolling with two fingers took 1 cm of movement with your fingers before it started registering. They updated this but I tested it and it's still not equal as my awful samsung trackpad. Windows 10 native gestures are just useless, tap with three fingers to start cortana, who seriously thinks that is a good use? Or the other useless gestures, three finger swipe up to start a new file explorer window. And I had to use the trackpad because I came to dislike the touch screen. Windows is still not optimized for touch and scaling is still horrible.
But the reason I got the device was the pen. Which also was a letdown. The amount of force I needed to apply for it to register the pen was too high. You couldn't strike lightly, only hard or harder. And the pen still created jagged lines and lines I didn't draw. Oh and one last thing, the fan got kicked in for the smallest stuff, and was it loud. If someone was in the same room they would get startled by the jet engine. And the final last thing, windows 10 software still sucks, the amount of time I actually lost hours of work because of it is saddening.
In the end I vowed not to get a windows device anymore, not in the upcoming 5 years anyways. The grass isn't always greener (maybe goes both ways).
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You're either ignorant or bias if you think there aren't any OEMs making windows laptop that compare to MBPs.
Razer, Microsoft, Dell and HP make some fantastic laptops with awesome build quality.
That silly windows laptops are virus and crash ridden is also a total marketing ******** that people bought into.
I've always enjoyed macs. I learned how to use computers on a mac. There's a unreasonable degree of emotional attachment. I'm practically a zealot, but even I can see that the new MBP has poor value proposition and a lot of competitors.
Razer, Microsoft, Dell and HP make some fantastic laptops with awesome build quality.
That silly windows laptops are virus and crash ridden is also a total marketing ******** that people bought into.
I've always enjoyed macs. I learned how to use computers on a mac. There's a unreasonable degree of emotional attachment. I'm practically a zealot, but even I can see that the new MBP has poor value proposition and a lot of competitors.
The fact is that Apple devices are not what they used to be, ignoring the price tags which are just insane. 5 years ago nothing was comparable to Macbook pro or Macbook air. User experience was much better than with any Windows device. Today, HP makes at least as good looking devices as Macs are (look Spectra). Windows 10 is not inferior to OsX 10.12 anymore. OsX has so much little problems that people just started thining about switching. For example, I have Mac Mini and Track pad that is constantly loosing connection and often lags when I am using it. And it is nothing wrong with the Track pad. It just doesnt work as it should - many have that problem. Also, Windows file explorer is much much better than Finder, which just randomly opens and changes the order of folders when you try to find something. I am very happy to run Parallels so I can do many things in Windows platform instead of struggling with OsX. And when I will consider a new laptop, Apple will not be the only option as it was in the past.
It's built in and its crap, get ESET or Webroot, you will be glad you did.
Got a customer with a new Dell XPS 12 with i7 cpu and 4K display and its a really nice bit of kit. Graphic drivers were ropey out of the box and had to get Dell to fix/update it remotely as the display crapped out after 2 minutes. Since then it's been fine apart from glitchy external display support which is no longer an issue as the user has ditched the 24" screen as it doesn't look as nice as the laptop screen.
Cost them less than a grand for it, would be a nice little hackintosh if you wanted to put the work in.
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TB3 is widespread because even the ChromeBook Pixel and the Nexus/Pixel Phones use the USB-C standard.
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That's simply not true. I remember having some of the previous MacBooks before the intel processor got put into them. They were slow as all heck. My trackpad and keyboard aren't losing connection once connected. I replaced keyboard with and trackpad with the lightening versions of them. Windows 10 in inferior because its a pain in the butt to do many tasks.
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I'm sorry but $2300+ for a dual core is not going to work for me even with a touch screen.
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1) Trackpad
2) OSX
3) Battery life
Feels a bit stupid paying that much for such "simple" features, but I honestly can't find that in a windows computer. If I could have gotten a similar trackpad experience with the same amount of battery life from Windows at less money I would have bought something else.
2) OSX
3) Battery life
Feels a bit stupid paying that much for such "simple" features, but I honestly can't find that in a windows computer. If I could have gotten a similar trackpad experience with the same amount of battery life from Windows at less money I would have bought something else.
Who gives a **** if the TCO is $100 but cost $1,000 in the initial purchase?
I agree I use ESET and it is very good actually. But also on my Surface Pro the screen drivers were pants, 4K scaling is still not that great in Windows 10 but saying that a lot better than in Windows 8.
Almost every developer and designers and creative professionals on apple platform use a monitor with their laptop including 4K display.
People who upgrade every year or couple of years do consider resale value. In fact the number of casual users who use laptops for the sake of it is less on Apple platform
Trackpads on Macs are nice, but now their keyboards are terrible. So it's a wash.
ryan wrote above:
"I don't like Windows. At all. Don't care how well 10 runs. I don't like Windows.
I love Mac. Love. Never had a hardware issue. Very few software issues."
That pretty much sums it up for me as well.
I've been a Mac guy for 29 years. An Apple // guy before that.
Anytime I've touched Windows, I end up frustrated and confused.
Approaching age 70, not interested in learning such a foreign OS -- it's like starting from scratch, and that gets harder when one gets older.
Even the distros of Linux I've played with look easier to learn and use.
I'll keep using the MacOS. For the best experience, it pretty much means "buying Apple" (haven't tried hackintoshing yet).
Actually, the new "entry" MacBook Pro (fkey model) doesn't look too bad at all, though it's still priced a little high. If they'd configured it with 16gb of RAM for the same price, there'd be no complaints.
Could use just one more thunderbolt port (would be best to have all three on one side).
I'll probably pick up the 2015 rMBPro instead, for the "legacy ports" and for the keyboard.
It looks like they're keeping the 2015 model around for a while, even with the 2016's released.
I'm wondering if it will remain in the lineup for a while, just as did the old "non retina" 2012 MacBook Pro did?
"I don't like Windows. At all. Don't care how well 10 runs. I don't like Windows.
I love Mac. Love. Never had a hardware issue. Very few software issues."
That pretty much sums it up for me as well.
I've been a Mac guy for 29 years. An Apple // guy before that.
Anytime I've touched Windows, I end up frustrated and confused.
Approaching age 70, not interested in learning such a foreign OS -- it's like starting from scratch, and that gets harder when one gets older.
Even the distros of Linux I've played with look easier to learn and use.
I'll keep using the MacOS. For the best experience, it pretty much means "buying Apple" (haven't tried hackintoshing yet).
Actually, the new "entry" MacBook Pro (fkey model) doesn't look too bad at all, though it's still priced a little high. If they'd configured it with 16gb of RAM for the same price, there'd be no complaints.
Could use just one more thunderbolt port (would be best to have all three on one side).
I'll probably pick up the 2015 rMBPro instead, for the "legacy ports" and for the keyboard.
It looks like they're keeping the 2015 model around for a while, even with the 2016's released.
I'm wondering if it will remain in the lineup for a while, just as did the old "non retina" 2012 MacBook Pro did?
At a bare minimum, USB-C will be widespread, and given that Intel is building TB3 into their chips and motherboards, it'll at least be considerably more-common than TB2 or Firewire ever was.
Windows consumers don't think about resale value because they don't expect their purchase to have any at all.
Every Mac owner I know says 'I'm selling my iMac/MBP/Macbook/etc for $$$, so I can afford a new machine at up to $$$$'.
YOU may not think about it, but Mac owners do, because they know it'll still have real, substantial value even 4+ years down the road, when Win laptops are worth almost literally nothing.
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You know that all non-Apple cell phones are going to USB-C, right? I'd say that's pretty solid evidence that consumer devices are going that direction.
I am a mac owner, and being a student basically everyone I know owns a mac and none of them care about resale value, it's about the starting price for them which is now beyond extortionate