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The Origins and Development of the iPhone
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I think ungraphic meant to say that his iPhone looks like ass. Fortunately, MacRumors' secret cameras were on hand to capture a photo of ungraphic's iPhone.
And, at long last, the truth can be told.
[drum roll, please...]
OMG, it's true. Ungraphic's iPhone really does look like ass.
*pokes the nearest Canadian MacRumors member*
"Psst... D'ya think you could ask him to change the picture? Thanks."
Once again, secret spy cameras from MacRumors captured one of several motivational talks Steve gave to the troops during the iPhone's super-secret development phase.
As I view it, it's all blood money anyhow. Bill basically bought himself the world, and now he's trying to make up for it by... what, exactly?
Sorry, I don't trust the man nor respect him, and no amount of him throwing his money around is ever going to change that, no matter how much incidental good it may ever do.
Microsoft is what it has become because of Bill's tireless efforts. Microsoft is Bill Gates.
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I think calling Bill Gates' profits gained via Microsoft as 'blood money' is putting it very strongly. Way too strongly, in fact. If you sincerely consider it blood money you have a very warped definition of the term. You sound as if you take computers far too seriously.
That's the thing, it isn't 'incidental good.' It is a determined, planned, and carefully considered effort to do good in the world. Honestly, I think if he had managed Microsoft (Windows development especially) half as well as he does the Gates' Foundation people wouldn't feel the need to hate Microsoft as passionately as they do.
But calling it incidental goodness shows how little you understand the problems of this world and his efforts at alleviating some of those problems.
I think that the children of the world who have clean water, or a school to go to, or a parent that is still alive because of some of the 'blood money' Bill Gates has invested care very little about Microsoft and its inferior OS.
Don't think I'm trying to canonize Bill, but in my mind Bill Gates' philanthropic work around the world will outweigh Steve Jobs' innovative products. They're not even close.
PS If you would like me to go into detail about exactly what the Gates' Foundation does I would be happy to. But I would also point you to their website to read up about it or yourself before you judge Bill Gates to harshly.
http://www.gatesfoundation.org
See, that's the thing. It's really great that Bill is using that money to do good. But he wouldn't have that money if it weren't for the way he ran Microsoft. And I wouldn't necessarily call it 'blood money', just money he got from getting rid of his competition.
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jmadlena
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See, that's the thing. It's really great that Bill is using that money to do good. But he wouldn't have that money if it weren't for the way he ran Microsoft. And I wouldn't necessarily call it 'blood money', just money he got from getting rid of his competition.
Very true. He has the means to fund his philanthropy because of the success of Microsoft. But I don't really see anything terrible about being successful. Nowadays, especially in Europe, companies are punished if they do too well. I understand the desired end - to ensure that consumers get a fair deal - but I don't agree with the means in those cases.
I don't see anything 'sinful' about the way Bill ran Microsoft, so I would not consider it 'blood money,' either.
I'm still concerned about the potential shake up. For example, the N95. I'd rather have an iPhone clearly but the N95 is still a competent piece of kit -
certainly not a "low-cost or no-cost alternative for those people without a computer or who just wants a phone that makes calls" but with many other features.
I could walk into any phone shop and get one for free on a more competative tariff. I'm not trying to bash the iPhone - I've already made it prettty clear I'd like one. What I don't want is for all future desirable phones to follow the iPhone model.
I don't understand the US phone market but it strikes me that the iPhone is a more attractive package over there.
In the U.S., we used to call the Blackberry a "smartphone". Now that we have the iPhone in the U.S., we call the Blackberry a "not-very-smartphone".
jmadlena:
I've already said in PM everything I'm going to say, vis a vis your post, so the following is in no way directed towards you. Thanks.
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Why is it you folks think the hatred of Bill Gates stems solely from the fact that he's very financially successful? Hmm? I mean, if that's what you really think, I'm here to tell you you're dead wrong.
If it were simply a matter of Bill Gates having come from whatever modest middle-class means he started with (well, actually his dad's a lawyer, so it would probably be "upper" middle class at a minimum), we wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion. I've absolutely no objection to Bill being as successful as he wants to be. The harder you work, the smarter you work, etc., the more successful you should naturally be. Now whether he's literally worked for every last penny of the massive multiple billions of dollars he's personally become worth -- or that of Microsoft's altogether even more massive billions -- one could argue, I suppose, but I'm not in any way in favor of some limit on success. That's Communism right there (well, maybe Socialism a bit, too) and I am absolutely NOT about that kind of crap.
It's a matter of Bill's employed means that's what gives me a problem. Bill, as the head of Microsoft, has had a history of using unscrupulous means of getting ahead -- in the majority of cases to the detriment of other businesses in the industry, and in many, many cases to the detriment of the general public thanks to the choices we've collectively been left with -- and then that's not even a start of covering the issue of gross abuse of monopoly power, etc.
I am aware (though not of the specifics) of the fact of the effects of many/most/all of the European governments' success-limiting policies, laws, and efforts. And not to start some kind of cultural flame war here on MacRumors, but when you consider how those countries are and have been run, is it really any surprise that individuals and businessmen from Europe flee regularly to the U.S. for better circumstances? I mean, America is not a perfect country, but I can tell you that Socialism is not the answer.
Anyhow...
Bill Gates is what he is through the acts he has committed, not the financial success he has enjoyed. Period. End of story.
I've already said in PM everything I'm going to say, vis a vis your post, so the following is in no way directed towards you. Thanks.
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Why is it you folks think the hatred of Bill Gates stems solely from the fact that he's very financially successful? Hmm? I mean, if that's what you really think, I'm here to tell you you're dead wrong.
If it were simply a matter of Bill Gates having come from whatever modest middle-class means he started with (well, actually his dad's a lawyer, so it would probably be "upper" middle class at a minimum), we wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion. I've absolutely no objection to Bill being as successful as he wants to be. The harder you work, the smarter you work, etc., the more successful you should naturally be. Now whether he's literally worked for every last penny of the massive multiple billions of dollars he's personally become worth -- or that of Microsoft's altogether even more massive billions -- one could argue, I suppose, but I'm not in any way in favor of some limit on success. That's Communism right there (well, maybe Socialism a bit, too) and I am absolutely NOT about that kind of crap.
It's a matter of Bill's employed means that's what gives me a problem. Bill, as the head of Microsoft, has had a history of using unscrupulous means of getting ahead -- in the majority of cases to the detriment of other businesses in the industry, and in many, many cases to the detriment of the general public thanks to the choices we've collectively been left with -- and then that's not even a start of covering the issue of gross abuse of monopoly power, etc.
I am aware (though not of the specifics) of the fact of the effects of many/most/all of the European governments' success-limiting policies, laws, and efforts. And not to start some kind of cultural flame war here on MacRumors, but when you consider how those countries are and have been run, is it really any surprise that individuals and businessmen from Europe flee regularly to the U.S. for better circumstances? I mean, America is not a perfect country, but I can tell you that Socialism is not the answer.
Anyhow...
Bill Gates is what he is through the acts he has committed, not the financial success he has enjoyed. Period. End of story.
I don't have an iPhone myself, but from everyone I know who owns one (I know several people personally), they all seem to think whatever it is they pay a month for their plan is a good deal.
My two biggest objections are the carrier (AT&T -- I've had prior dealings with them and will *NEVER* go back) and the broadcast system. I'm tired of the fact that when I'm on a call I can't go anywhere near self-powered speakers without setting them off with the loudest, most obnoxious squeal that any technology owner has been forced to hear. Now, switch the broadcast system to CDMA and let me get one through SprintPCS, and theoretically I would consider it.
But yeah, we're probably getting a better deal here than you folks are there. It's a pity. But, hey, you know what? Move to Mexico and then sneak across the border. Who knows, you might even get Amnesty! And then you're on the gravy train for life, buddy.
Huh. Until you pointed this out, and I googled "gsm speakers", I'd never realized that the occasional interference in my speakers was from my phone... I certainly wouldn't call it loud or obnoxious, at least where my dinky little non-smartphone is involved, but I'm glad to finally know the cause!
errrrr what ? 11 of the top 20 companies in the world are European and of the remaining 9, 4 are from Asia-Pac; So what are these success limiting polices you refer to ?
....and dont draw the sociisim card because the Russian state owned oil companies are already bigger than Exxon.
You need to check your facts before plagiarising from your year 9 American History text book.
The iPhone with 3G isn't gonna do that as often. As long as you're in an area with 3G coverage the iPhone will operate on WCDMA, which doesn't buzz speakers since it's a constant connection, as opposed to GSM which is a pulsing connection. I tried this with my 3G Samsung phone right next to some speakers, and they buzz while on GSM, and don't buzz while on WCDMA. Of course, if you don't have 3G coverage the phone will default back to GSM and the buzziness that comes with it.
