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generik said:
1. Get rid of anything IE..
2. Same with outlook..
3. Always run your user account as a limited user
4. Only run with admin when you *absolutely* have to.

I'd be curious to see a spyware/virus that can get on and install itself as a service/start up each login without me seeing it :)
1. I don't use IE, but the drones here at work don't have a choice.
2. We have to use Outlook. That's what the company uses. Blame the Office monopoly on that. No OE for me though.
3. My users do have limited accounts. They still get stuff. And worse, they can't install the tools to remove them. We got a virus once at my last job and no one could remove it because we didn't have the ability to run .exe files (which is what the fix was, an *.exe file) and the admin was out.
4. At my current job, I have to all the time to do my job. I don't have a choice. But it's not about me, I know what I'm doing... most of the time. :p

And tell that to someone who doesn't know anything about computers. ;) It's all fine and dandy for people like us. I can lock my home PC up tighter than a sardine can, but it takes a lot of effort and know how. That is the point.

Not saying OS X is perfect, but *I* really hate Windows.

Onizuka said:
Note, any spelling errors are because I am using WINDOWS right now. Can't even get a godamn spellchecker on a browser. What year is this? ARGH!
Spellbound for FireFox. I use it one my PCs and my Macs. It's really nice.
 
People are full of habits. Once we learn something, we hate to change. My last three cars had the window switches on the door. My current car is a Saturn VUE, which has the window switches in the center around the shifter. Love the car, but that little change drives me nuts!

I have found the same things with computers. I have dealt with a lot of different people with different levels of computer skills. It is amazing to me how many people you can mess up just by deleting their IE icon from the desktop (or just moving it from one side of the desktop to the other). They are totally lost! My mom hates the computer at home because it does not look EXACTLY like the one at work. Being a bit more tech savy, I am sure it would not throw very many of us off if an icon was missing or a menu bar dissappears. I can sit down in front of just about any computer and figure my way around. A lot of folks can't do that.

So before you call Windows users derogatory names, ask yourself is you are talking to someone who really hates Apple or they just don't like change.
 
derajfast said:
even more lastly, what i find interesting, is the difference in windows and mac itunes users....... it seems to me that windows users have their songs all downloaded or ripped and mislabeled, no caps, random numbers, the same artists spelled 5 different wyas on their ipods.

Hey! I'm on windows (unfortunately) but I allow iTunes to keep my music organized and allow it to connect in order to make sure that the album info is current. I'd do it on a Mac and I do it on a PC... guess im just a little OCD. :eek:
 
BGil said:
I perfer gaming on a console but the framerates are in no way higher than on a PC. I don't think there's a console game in existience that has a higher framerate than 60FPS. And keep in mind most consoles (PS2, Gamecube) can only really do 720x480. PC's have much better resolution. KB+Mouse is also the superior way to play a first-person shooter. There are also a lot of games that exist on PC that don't exist on console and online gaming for PC is much better than it is for PS2 or Gamecube (Xbox is pretty good).

Well, cosnidering MOST (that means not all) PC games run at about 24-30 Frames per second, and the more upscale console games run at an average of 60 FPS, yes, they do. And HD is nativley supported by the next gen consoles.

I won't argue that there's ignorance on both sides, but honestly, how many Mac users have truly used windows in "all of its glory" only to end up a Mac user because of it? Far more than those who truely used OS X and moved to XP. I guarentee it.

Another thing, I cannot install software on this machine at work, and cannot google (yet, I can come to MR, go figure) so either way, spellcheck is not native. I cannot stand that.
 
BGil said:
No, 233mhz Pentium 1 not Pentium 2. And the required amount of ram is 64 megabytes. The recomended amount is higher.
There was no 233MHz Pentium CPU. Pentium MMX CPUs were the only ones to break 200MHz, and by the time they reached 233MHz, Pentium II processors were already out. Windows XP will give you an error message if you try to install on 64MB of RAM, and Microsoft admits that XP will not be fully functional (not even just "slow" but that things actually won't work). Regardless, that RAM difference is not quadruple, and the CPU age is the same.


No, it's not "ALL third-party hardware for Windows". That's complete B.S.
I'm sitting here right now using a PC with 2 video cards, two tv tuners, a fully loaded motherboard, a USB MIDI Keyboard, two ethernet controllers and more. My uptime is 29 days, 3hours, and 47 minutes... and that's only because that was the last time I booted this machine into Vista or Ubuntu otherwise it would be much longer.
Yes, it is all third party hardware. Every single bit. And congratulations on your uptime. My Windows computer is sitting at 44 days right now. How long a skilled person can keep something running isn't the point. The point is that the WDM and registry system allows for hooks into lower levels of the OS than should be permitted. The Windows 2000 HAL helped, but has not solved, this problem.
In fact, with a Mac I would recommend not even installing the Apple OS updates until one can be certian they are safe.
Same with upgrading to XP, SP1, and SP2. Remember the SP2 hubbub?

Seondly, the experience of most Mac users is that their computers don't even support any third-party (internal) hardware. No video cards, no PCI, no PCIe, no extra hard drives or disk drives... nothing.
That's because most Macs don't even *have* expansion bays. It doesn't mean they don't exist. There are architectural problems to overcome with video cards (the VESA BIOS does not work), and for other hardware, nobody bothers to write the drivers. For hardware where someone actually took the time to do the software, things are just fine.

Obviously that's not the point because the original quote was this:
Claims of Windows bloat are based on the fact that Windows is now 2GB+ at install time, whereas Windows 98 could be squeezed into 300MB. Has that much really changed in Windows technology? No.
But how much did OS 10.1 require for installation, back in 2001? 300MB to 1.5GB, compared to 300-500MB for OS 8.6...and that was with a totally new OS with a completely different architecture and paradigm (Win98 - Win2k was a major rewrite, but based on the same monolithic paradigm). How much did XP require? According to Microsoft and my experience, at least 1.5GB. What you can remove after the fact is of limited use, and Windows, without changing the fundamental nature of the beast, inflated like a balloon.


It still takes up space because it creates a default restore point. That point will restore the machine back to the "fresh install state".
It won't create a default restore point until you make changes. If you leave the computer as it was installed, it won't create anything. Only when you make a change is a restore point created.

A joke? Probably to MS haters with zero understanding of the technology. I fail to see how MS giving something away for free to it's current users is somehow negative. Only a true hater could make a comment like that.
I never said it was negative. I said it was a joke, because it's gone from being a completely new way to manage files and a major pillar of Longhorn to a metadata add-on that will ship sometime in 2007, maybe. Even Paul Thurrott is agitated by this.

LOL! If that's what you think then I'm going to stop addressing your points at all because you're just plain ignorant. WinFX is a completely new set thing. There's more difference between WinFX and Win32 than their is between Carbon and Cocoa.
No there is not. With the exception of Indigo and some new extensions to the GDI+ system, WinFX doesn't give you any new possibilities. It just organizes everything into a single presentation layer system so that it's easier to access and better consolidated. It's based on existing languages and existing Windows subsystem components. It's a good thing, but it is not a new programming API--just a recombination of old ones.

3. That's not really necessary with SP2. Viruses and Malware can't just install itself without user consent.
Sure they can. If some program executes on my machine, it's done. It doesn't ask for confirmation to make changes.



I don't think there's a console game in existience that has a higher framerate than 60FPS. And keep in mind most consoles (PS2, Gamecube) can only really do 720x480.
That's because they're optimized for TVs, which allows them to control more variables and concentrate on performance. It's why OS X is more stable, too. More variables are under control. Neither one is totally perfect.
 
The thing about Windows is how random it is. My computer was completely fine for about 4 months (I format this thing a few times every year to keep it running stable, pretty pathetic :rolleyes: ) and all of a sudden the install got ruined. I couldn't boot or anything. That happens to me and a bunch of people at random times. I hate that.
 
I use both a Mac and PC, sometimes at the same time lol. I definitely like Mac OS X much more than Windows, there's no doubt about it. My Mac pretty much has no problems except a few minor quirks here and there. My PC on the other hand, yea it works, but it crashes once a week or so and have to hit the reset button. Something always isn't responding when I shut the thing down. It's pretty annoying.
 
savar said:
Wow, faulty reasoning and anecdotal "evidence" to boot. Your experience is outside the norm.
I can't work out whether that was meant as an insult! :confused:
 
Les Kern said:
But that's assuming that we may not have the tools, either physical or mental, to handle anything Windows related, and that is just not so. Not at all. Our tech folks CAME from the PC industry.
Nah I was referring to the set up of your network and client images. Usually a company will have a preferred hardware vendor and develop a standard software image for that vendor's hardware with all of the settings and software required for seamless integration with the network. If you had a thousand computers from one vendor, and say, twenty from another vendor (or multiple vendors) or on a different platform, there is less probability that a standard, tested software image would be available for those machines. They would probably be built 'as required'. That's what I meant by 'standards'.
 
briand05 said:
I use both a Mac and PC, sometimes at the same time lol. I definitely like Mac OS X much more than Windows, there's no doubt about it. My Mac pretty much has no problems except a few minor quirks here and there. My PC on the other hand, yea it works, but it crashes once a week or so and have to hit the reset button. Something always isn't responding when I shut the thing down. It's pretty annoying.

Me too. lol. I have my Mac to my left usually, and I'm on my PC, but VNC'd into my Mac because I'm lazy to reach over to it. I have my PC at a high resolution so I can view my Mac's screen at its full res. The PC is at 1152 x 768 (or whatever that pair is supposed to be) and it displays my 1024 x 768 iBook screen beautifully. Since I'm using enet, the screen updates are pretty good.

raggedjimmi said:
XP runs on a P1? I do find that a little hard to believe, as my 500mhz P3 barely runs at all.
but meh.

Heh. I've ran XP Pro SP2 on a P2 233 Mhz with 160 MB of RAM and it ran ok, but I'd have to restart it often. Win2kPro barely runs well enough on my newer 800 Mhz Celeron, which has 128 MB of RAM, soon to have 256, but it's definently better.

And to contribute to the initial argument/discussion:

I have an online friend who says he "hates" OS X the most because the windows of a program or "explorer" window don't have menu embedded into them... WTF is the Menu Bar for then? I find that a really stupid excuse. He then turns around and says he likes what Expose and Dashboard offer. He also just installed a copy of the pirated OSX/86.

What a hypocrite...

Some people...
 
ShiggyMiyamoto said:
And to contribute to the initial argument/discussion:

I have an online friend who says he "hates" OS X the most because the windows of a program or "explorer" window don't have menu embedded into them... WTF is the Menu Bar for then? I find that a really stupid excuse. He then turns around and says he likes what Expose and Dashboard offer. He also just installed a copy of the pirated OSX/86.

What a hypocrite...

Some people...

Yeah, the IT guys here at work say the same kind of crap. And then they ask me about iPods (cos they know I worked for Apple) and ask if I can get them a discount someohow, and I'm like "nah, they don't like selling to Windows users, they just have to or they'd get sued." It makes them so angry. lmao
 
matticus008 said:
There was no 233MHz Pentium CPU. Pentium MMX CPUs were the only ones to break 200MHz, and by the time they reached 233MHz, Pentium II processors were already out.
<snip>

Outside of the Windows vs Mac debate, the Pentium MMX still had a Pentium core; it just had the MMX extensions added to it.

As for release date, I remember the whole industry wondering why should they sell Pentium MMX when the Pentium II was a new core. What a fun time that was.. :)
 
belvdr said:
Outside of the Windows vs Mac debate, the Pentium MMX still had a Pentium core; it just had the MMX extensions added to it.

As for release date, I remember the whole industry wondering why should they sell Pentium MMX when the Pentium II was a new core. What a fun time that was.. :)
Ah, the good days. The blazing speed of a Pentium II 400. Those strange, strange commercials. I suppose the question is, what makes a Pentium a Pentium? A Celeron is a Pentium with crappy cache. Intel fans, back in the day, would get highly offended if someone called Pentium MMX "just" a Pentium CPU. I guess it's all about perspective. These days, the Pentium 4 name has been used for at least three radically different CPUs. Maybe they fear the redundancy of Pentium 5. :)
 
OMG LOL Get this!

For some reason my iBook doesn't always get a usable IP when I try and use my school's wireless network. I get those self-assigned sh*ts. I ask the techs about it and they think it's my OS and/or my wireless (Airport) card... They even suggested to do a system restore. lol... My best bet is that some of the nodes (all named Darktower) are badly maintained and they block access. It pisses me off. I'm really dissapointed at the crappy network staff here. This isn't a tech school so that explains alot, but still...
 
To those that are complaining about how Window is crapping out on you.. well truth is, you probably should be using a Mac. Windows is a very nice OS as long as you know what you are doing, and what it is doing. In most cases I find that the story is the people dont know neither.
 
There are certain advantages for Windows.. i can't deny stuff like graphics and multimedia stuff are more optimized on that platform.. but mac is nicer in so many areas :D
 
theres a current discussion about what internet browser you use... i've already posted an icon for Safari but nobody has noticed, and a guy has just outright asked me what I use. should i go in there and brag about Safari? thing is people are going on about Firefox and how insecure IE is... part of me feels compelled to just say "well, isn't Windows insecure too?" and then say Safari?

what would you do?
 
raggedjimmi said:
theres a current discussion about what internet browser you use... i've already posted an icon for Safari but nobody has noticed, and a guy has just outright asked me what I use. should i go in there and brag about Safari? thing is people are going on about Firefox and how insecure IE is... part of me feels compelled to just say "well, isn't Windows insecure too?" and then say Safari?

what would you do?
Seems like that little voice inside of you is right. Go For it!
Since most of them like Firefox, talk about things Safari does that Firefox doesn't (RSS, spell check, etc).
I would also throw in there how much the "insecure IE" is just like the operating system they are using.
 
generik said:
There are certain advantages for Windows.. i can't deny stuff like graphics and multimedia stuff are more optimized on that platform.. but mac is nicer in so many areas :D
Graphics are better on Windows??? :eek: :confused:
 
heh well before i posted an icon for Safari and left it at that. only people have jumped on saying "IE is full of holes! long live Firefox!" so i've just asked "how many people who ditched IE because of security problems are running an OS with security problems? why not get linux? practice what you preach no?"

:D
 
Well, I have both a pc and a mac, my preferance is the mac. But I will say 99% of the problems I've ever had on a pc were self-created (I love to tweak, esspecially when I have no clue what I'm doing:p ). Nine times out of ten the annoyances caused were from someone not knowing what they were doing in the first place. And the record, I've been on many forums for both pc & mac and this forum is THE BEST. I have never been met with any negativity or hate, as seems to be the case on most of the pc forums I've been to. (Not trolling, just giving you my honest experiences) I don't understand why people are so easily enflamed about another persons difference of opinions. There are some people out there who think their way is the only way and any other way is just plain wrong. Ahhh...how nice the world would be if we could all get over that way of thinking...(still...mac rules...) (oops...did I type that???)
 
jadekitty24 said:
<snip> this forum is THE BEST. I have never been met with any negativity or hate <snip> ...(still...mac rules...) (oops...did I type that???)
I think I know why ;)
 
jadekitty24 said:
Well, I have both a pc and a mac, my preferance is the mac...

Thats me too. My laptop covers gaming; my Powerbook covers everything else. And by gaming i mean producing my little game and playing HL2 online (till i get my real gaming PC and my Dell 2005FPW monitor :D ). I dont play games much so its nice. out of all my computer time i'd say 10% is spent with XP.

I don't understand why people are so easily enflamed about another persons difference of opinions. There are some people out there who think their way is the only way and any other way is just plain wrong.
I hope you dont mind if I borrow that the next time a PC-user forum has a go at me for using mac?

I hope you dont mind me using that? I like that!
 
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