The playstaion Vita's OLED screen puts things in perspective

[Savor]

After going to the Att store numerous times and comparing phones side by side I have come to the following conclusion that the only 2 screens I will accept on a phone is:

1) iPhone 4 high resolution IPS display
and
2) SuperAMOLED+

I've compared the two and the iPhone's is better resolution and better sunlight readability (than say the Infuse 4g) but if I had to pick a different phone it would be one with SuperAMOLED+

I think it all depends of people's preferences. The high ppi gives iPhone 4 such amazing detail and sharpness. Without seeing any pixels, it really is like what Apple says and you are looking at something printed from a page. It clearly is evident when you look at small pictures in this forum's picture gallery section. I could see the picture in such a small state and be like wow because how sharp it looked even at that size before even zooming at it.

And then I remember looking at the Samsung Focus about six months ago and was really impressed by the contrast which made colors standout even if they were not quite as realistic. I remember a guy holding a Samsung Captivate while I was in line and I can see all the icons in bright colors while I was standing maybe 8-10 feet away from him. It really boils down to people's taste. Sharpness (pixel density) vs Contrast (true blacks).

 

[ESPN]

I think it all depends of people's preferences. The high ppi gives iPhone 4 such amazing detail and sharpness. Without seeing any pixels, it really is like what Apple says and you are looking at something printed from a page. It clearly is evident when you look at small pictures in this forum's picture gallery section. I could see the picture in such a small state and be like wow because how sharp it looked even at that size before even zooming at it.

And then I remember looking at the Samsung Focus about six months ago and was really impressed by the contrast which made colors standout even if they were not quite as realistic. I remember a guy holding a Samsung Captivate while I was in line and I can see all the icons in bright colors while I was standing maybe 8-10 feet away from him. It really boils down to people's taste. Sharpness (pixel density) vs Contrast (true blacks).

Samsung Focus's screen also stood out to me. It was vibrant and very fluid the first time I saw it. However the retina display has no comparison. I guess its just personal preference whether you enjoy better colors or non pixelated
text/graphics.Vita's OLED screen seems solid enough, anyways there wouldn't be much competition between phones and game systems.

 

[ped]

I'm sure Apple is content with the retina display now, in a few years down the road with iPhone 7 or 8 when there will be a big update, you can probably expect Super Retina display which would be better than OLED and AMOLED.

Highly doubtful. What do you think would be better about it? OLED is superior in every regard to LCD, and every other display tech out.

 

[ped]

Seeing as Sony seems to own most of the important OLED patents (and definitely tons of OLED manufacturing ones), I wonder why they can do such a thing??? :roll eyes:

Might want to look a bit into how the Tech industry functions before you make statements like the underlined.

Huh?? You're way wrong. A US company called Universal Display has over 1200 patents on OLED and are the reason Samsung is dominant in OLED displays (they have been licensing Universal's patents and buying the OLED materials to prpduce their displays for the last 6 years). The stock analysts Gabelli called Universal the "OLED Gatekeeper" in their report on them earlier this year, since no one can make phosphorescent OLED displays without involving them.

Http://www.universaldisplay.com

 

[ped]

Most of the PS Vita videos were taken from dark or dim lighting conditions. This shows off the color much better than in harsh lighting. OLED displays suck in harsh lighting (ex. outside on a sunny day), which iPhones are normally used.

The sites I've seen reviewing the SAMOLED+ screen in the new Galaxy S2 says it has the best outdoor viewing of any screen they've ever seen.

 

[Fernandez21]

I'm sure Apple is content with the retina display now, in a few years down the road with iPhone 7 or 8 when there will be a big update, you can probably expect Super Retina display which would be better than OLED and AMOLED.

Um, retina refers to the dpi on the the screen,where as amoled and oled refer to the backlight. And also, apple didn't event or make that retina display, toshiba did. Apple just saw it in the toshiba catalog and decided to use it in the iPhone and ordered a bunch from toshiba which were then shipped to china to be assembled with the new iPhone.

 

[ped]

Um, retina refers to the dpi on the the screen,where as amoled and oled refer to the backlight. And also, apple didn't event or make that retina display, toshiba did. Apple just saw it in the toshiba catalog and decided to use it in the iPhone and ordered a bunch from toshiba which were then shipped to china to be assembled with the new iPhone.

OLED is more than backlighting. OLEDs don't need backlights because they are emissive technologies (generate their own light) unlike LCDs which require backlighting and color filters.

 

[gimmeiphone]

regardless of all the points for oled, the fact is, every oled phone iv had, the ****** banding has diminished any of the upsides of the technology, sgs2 banding was horrendous, same on omnia 7 and desire

 

[ped]

regardless of all the points for oled, the fact is, every oled phone iv had, the ****** banding has diminished any of the upsides of the technology, sgs2 banding was horrendous, same on omnia 7 and desire

What "banding", and pray tell, how did you come by having a Galaxy S2 when it was just released?

 

[Tarzanman]

Huh?? You're way wrong. A US company called Universal Display has over 1200 patents on OLED and are the reason Samsung is dominant in OLED displays (they have been licensing Universal's patents and buying the OLED materials to prpduce their displays for the last 6 years). The stock analysts Gabelli called Universal the "OLED Gatekeeper" in their report on them earlier this year, since no one can make phosphorescent OLED displays without involving them.

Http://www.universaldisplay.com

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2011/06/133_88213.html

 

[fertilized-egg]

If Sony can retail such a powerful machine at that price point with such a big screen to boot it couldn't be that expensive to integrate a great technology in OLED on the very next iPhone.

Because traditionally the latest game consoles are sold at a loss, except a few cases like Wii, to lessen the frontup payment for the consumers so that it gains a wider spread. They make money through games.

If you want to put things in perspective, Even Sony themselves can't match their own pricing with phones and sells the Xperia Play Android phone at $450, which has often been criticized for its poor display.

I have an AMOLED phone and while it has a wonderful black, the colors are too saturated and the outdoor visibility isn't as nice as that of the iPhone display, not to mention the inferior resolution.

Also one dirty secret of AMOLED: it really gulps battery. You probably have heard AMOLED consumes less electricity, and it's true if you spend a lot of time when the screen is mostly black, like the default UI of Android. However when you do web surfing which are usually black text on bright background, like Macrumors, the phone just devours through battery. For this reason alone, I'm often afraid to web surf on my phone.

In long term we might see OLED type screens take over entirely, but for now AMOLED has many problems and I don't know if it's necessarily a better choice than the traditional LCD, especially when you consider that the supply of OLEDs are still much more limited even though LG and Samsung will both begin much larger mass production soon I believe.

 

[Fernandez21]

OLED is more than backlighting. OLEDs don't need backlights because they are emissive technologies (generate their own light) unlike LCDs which require backlighting and color filters.

What I ment was that they are different aspects of a display and can't be compared to one another. There is nothing stopping apple from using an amoled display with a 960x640 "retina" resolution.

 

[ped]

Because traditionally the latest game consoles are sold at a loss, except a few cases like Wii, to lessen the frontup payment for the consumers so that it gains a wider spread. They make money through games.

If you want to put things in perspective, Even Sony themselves can't match their own pricing with phones and sells the Xperia Play Android phone at $450, which has often been criticized for its poor display.

I have an AMOLED phone and while it has a wonderful black, the colors are too saturated and the outdoor visibility isn't as nice as that of the iPhone display, not to mention the inferior resolution.

Also one dirty secret of AMOLED: it really gulps battery. You probably have heard AMOLED consumes less electricity, and it's true if you spend a lot of time when the screen is mostly black, like the default UI of Android. However when you do web surfing which are usually black text on bright background, like Macrumors, the phone just devours through battery. For this reason alone, I'm often afraid to web surf on my phone.

In long term we might see OLED type screens take over entirely, but for now AMOLED has many problems and I don't know if it's necessarily a better choice than the traditional LCD, especially when you consider that the supply of OLEDs are still much more limited even though LG and Samsung will both begin much larger mass production soon I believe.

That's less a function of OLED and more a function of Samsung only using the Red PHOLED material from Universal Display and using Green and Blue fluorescent materials. The phosphoresent materials are where the big power savings come in and using just one of them makes OLEDs barely comparable to LCD for the reason you stated. After green comes into the picture OLEDst are beating LCD by quite a bit and after all three LCD is left in the dust. Samsung is soon to be using Red and Green PHOLED which will largely put this issue to rest.

 

[ped]

What I ment was that they are different aspects of a display and can't be compared to one another. There is nothing stopping apple from using an amoled display with a 960x640 "retina" resolution.

Agreed - Apple will be going OLED; it's just a matter of when. They just filed another OLED patent a week or two ago, to go with the 3 they filed last December.

 

[fertilized-egg]

After green comes into the picture OLEDst are beating LCD by quite a bit and after all three LCD is left in the dust. Samsung is soon to be using Red and Green PHOLED which will largely put this issue to rest.

While I fully agree that AMOLED will likely to be the choice of display in the future, the fact remains that we don't have display with all the promises yet. The users of Galaxy S2 still reports that it goes through battery fast when white kicks in. And price still remains an issue.

There is nothing stopping apple from using an amoled display with a 960x640 "retina" resolution.

According to LG, there is. They publicly stated AMOLED won't likely to exceed 270DPI for a few years and giving up on OLED for small displays for now. Of course it could very well be a deception to buy some time until their 8 gen OLED fab starts producing in a few years.

In any case, even with Samsung's new fab kicking in, I personally doubt Apple will jump into the OLED display unless they can get a second manufacturer on it, and LG said they aren't going to do it for now so I think that puts it away for now. Perhaps Samsung can do something crazy to appease Apple and change their mind?

 

[ped]

While I fully agree that AMOLED will likely to be the choice of display in the future, the fact remains that we don't have display with all the promises yet. The users of Galaxy S2 still reports that it goes through battery fast when white kicks in. And price still remains an issue.

The S2's screen uses only red PHOLED material, not red and green.

According to LG, there is. They publicly stated AMOLED won't likely to exceed 270DPI for a few years and giving up on OLED for small displays for now. Of course it could very well be a deception to buy some time until their 8 gen OLED fab starts producing in a few years.

In any case, even with Samsung's new fab kicking in, I personally doubt Apple will jump into the OLED display unless they can get a second manufacturer on it, and LG said they aren't going to do it for now so I think that puts it away for now. Perhaps Samsung can do something crazy to appease Apple and change their mind?

I'm not sure I get this fascination of 300 ppi screens. The iPad is a 10" display with almost exactly the same res as a 3.5" iPhone 4 screen and no one (including me) has any problem with that display - it's very nice for an LCD.