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emaja said:
Let's not assume the band owns the full rights to the video. I am sure that the director has every bit as much - and probably more - to do with the look of the video than the band. While the songs almost certainly belong the band, wouldn't it stand to reason that the video belongs to the director?

Ihave no idea what the terms are, so I'm guessing at it here. the director obviously was reusing ideas. maybe it's a copyright violation, maybe not. Certainly would be reluctant to hire the guy though, if I were a band. Of course, Windows was held not to violate Apple's copyright on the Mac UI, so what are you going to do?
 
C'mon, it's not that similar

I listen to Ben Gibbard's music quite a lot, including the Postal Service. I just watched both videos back-to-back, and I cannot honestly say they are that similar, artistically. In the P.S. video, it's a "what-could-be" love story between two fab engineers. In the Intel ad, it's specifically about taking a chip from Intel's fab and putting it into an iMac. I think what a lot of people don't realize is that all clean room fabs look alike. They all have people in bunny suits, and they have neat machines with robots that do interesting things. Oh, and they're all white! In fact, I think the Postal Service's video has more in common with Bjork's video for "All Is Full Of Love", than with Apple's. That being said, I still think the filmmaker seems a little shady. However, if there was a different filmmaker, I think the two videos are different enough to make the case against the Intel ad a moot point.
 
Rend It said:
I listen to Ben Gibbard's music quite a lot, including the Postal Service.
omg, that's the guy from Death Cab for Cutie, isn't he? I didn't know he had another band :eek: . Well now thanks to Apple I have new music to discover.
 
for those wondering the Postal Service is named such because their songs were created by sending tapes back and forth between members, they weren't together much if at all in creating the album, it was all done via USPS.

and after watching the whole PS video i don't see too many similarities, sure in parts there are. but i think its the ad agencies fault more than anything else. or the director.
 
DTphonehome said:
I've heard the "how many ways can you shoot a chip fab" argument before, but it's baseless. The camera angles are nearly identical, the expressions on the actors' faces are similar (they even look alike), and the slow motion, camera panning, and general pacing of the videos are too similar to strike away as coincidence. If you've ever shot a video before, you'd know that every one of those factors are thought out carefully. There's definite intent behind the ad.

I agree that it's highly unlikely this was pure coincidence. However, your claim that the camera angles are nearly identical is only true of a small subset of angles (IMHO, blocking one character giving another character a disk doesn't leave the film maker with a whole lot of options, not when you want to see the expression on the receiver's face).

And your claim that the expressions on the faces are similar ... I'm not sure where you get that, as the Mac ad both actors convey importance of purpose and joy, while the PS video both actors convey repressed longing for each other ... other than that these are human beings and neither is sticking their tongue out or scowling, I really don't think the expressions match.

Slow motion: while both use slow motion (which is a classical mechanism to convey the importance of a singular moment in time, which is a shared theme and honestly, quite common), they don't use the same pacing. Which one might expect given the different feature lengths they are dealing with.

And camera panning? I'm not sure what you're getting at there.

The similarities, though, are that they are set in a microprocessor plant, that they center around a hand-off of a wafer of chips, and that there are two central actors. Honestly, the setting and action fit a lot better in the ad than in the video, but whatever. The point is, it's obviously not coincidence that Apple came up with this particular representation of the many possibilities of putting an Intel chip into a Mac, and the directors of the videos are to blame for not bringing a different idea to the table unless someone at Chiat or even Apple directed them to copy the setting and action of the previous work.

BTW, love the Postal Service album. Love this song too; although it's not my favorite of the album, it was my first exposure to PS. And don't believe the morons claiming PS ripped of the guy who sings the same song in the M&M commercial ... that's a cover off the single to this song, which coincidentally is also available on iTunes if you like it. Personally, both I and my wife hate the slow, plodding version, to the point that she asked me how they could do such a thing to that song when we first heard it playing in front of a movie. But others love it, so to each their own ...
 
jettredmont said:
...And don't believe the morons claiming PS ripped of the guy who sings the same song in the M&M commercial ... that's a cover off the single to this song, which coincidentally is also available on iTunes if you like it. Personally, both I and my wife hate the slow, plodding version, to the point that she asked me how they could do such a thing to that song when we first heard it playing in front of a movie. But others love it, so to each their own ...

The "guy" you are referring to is Sam Beam of Iron and Wine. And yes, he covered "Such Great Heights"; not the other way around. I have to say, I find it funny that Gibbard and company are upset at this when that cover is in an M&M's commercial and at least one Postal Service song has made its way into a car commercial. Indie Rock for sure!

Oh, and best (i.e., most absurd) use of music in advertising award has to go to the new Wendy's commercial featuring "Satisfaction", by Benny Benassi. Where do these marketing geniuses come from??
 
Rend It said:
Oh, and best (i.e., most absurd) use of music in advertising award has to go to the new Wendy's commercial featuring "Satisfaction", by Benny Benassi. Where do these marketing geniuses come from??
I hate that companies are turning all these classic songs into trivial ad pitches. Songs that defined generations and inspired thousands of young musicians are cheapened just to hook some aging baby-boomer to buy a new Cadillac, it's disgusting. Yes, I know the record labels and the musicians themselves are also responsible, but a lot of great songs are being ruined for me. Some companies are doing it right by breaking new bands, like Mitsubishi with Overlord, it's the classics being used that bothers me.
 
the same person designed an ad that was on basically the same topic for two different clients, and people are confused why they look similar? its not a direct copy, they obviously shot an entirely seperate commercial, the band is just making a fuss for publicity.
 
floyde said:
omg, that's the guy from Death Cab for Cutie, isn't he? I didn't know he had another band :eek: . Well now thanks to Apple I have new music to discover.


there's a free download of their song "such great heights" at CNET at 192kbps. cool song.
 
iGary said:
They wanna take on Apple Legal - uh yeah, that's smart.
Doubtful. Since the director is the same, they don't really have a case unless they own creative rights and it was their idea. I don't blame them for being a little miffed, or at least putting up a show that they are, but they know there's nothing they can do and that they're getting some free publicity. Either Apple highlighted their video as somewhat of an apology, or because it's gotten enough press to be popular enough to be up there. Right now it just says "Video Just Added".

Though I do think it's ironic that they put it like that: "We did not approve this commercialization and are extremely disappointed with both parties that this was executed without our consultation or consent", considering that they have had music in commercials.
 
If you google this issue there is talk that the ad was created along side of the video or with total permission and it's people like us on the web that is misquoting and starting false rumors.

Just a thought.
 
First of all; there is no way this is coincidence. Here is my theory...

Apple was looking for "inspiration" for their new Intel commercial, and then they came across this music video, it was perfect. So Apple decided just to have the same director film it - how simple.

Do I think anyone did anything wrong here? No.
 
You know, until I clicked the link in the first post (one of two I have read so far), I thought everyone was talking about the USPS... :eek:

Edit: upon reading the rest of the thread, I notice I am the fourth person to admit this.
 
EricNau said:
First of all; there is no way this is coincidence.
It's not a coincidence. It's the same director. Apple probably knew nothing about the video before hand, and I doubt even the ad agency was aware of it other than someone maybe seeing some of the director's sample work and liking it. Since the person who created the video was the same person who created the ad, apparently he just copied himself.

Would be nice if we got some sort of confirmation of that though.
 
Counterfit said:
At some colleges, "self-plagiarism" is forbidden. Doesn't make much sense to me...

At most schools it is. Self-plagiarism is different than normal plagiarism insofar as it's not really any sort of copyright infringement, but the goal is ultimately pretty much the same: To keep you from receiving academic credit if you are not doing an adequate amount of work.
 
The US Postal Service wasn't too happy to hear that the Postal Service had decided to use their name. Sometime last spring or summer, I read that the mail people went after the music people, to work something out. What they decided to do was, let the band keep the name, and the gubmint would use the band's songs in it's advertising.

I would think that the Postal Service would have it's business act together and and just work a deal.
 
EricNau said:
First of all; there is no way this is coincidence. Here is my theory...

Apple was looking for "inspiration" for their new Intel commercial, and then they came across this music video, it was perfect. So Apple decided just to have the same director film it - how simple.

Do I think anyone did anything wrong here? No.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I highly doubt Apple had much to do with the creative process of this ad. I;m sure they gave the director a "vision" of what they wanted the ad to convey, it was up to the director to come up with something then send the results to Apple. Hardly any company creates their own ads or gives creative input during the filming of the ad. This is why ad agencies exist.
 
jettredmont said:
BTW, love the Postal Service album. Love this song too; although it's not my favorite of the album, it was my first exposure to PS. And don't believe the morons claiming PS ripped of the guy who sings the same song in the M&M commercial ... that's a cover off the single to this song, which coincidentally is also available on iTunes if you like it. Personally, both I and my wife hate the slow, plodding version, to the point that she asked me how they could do such a thing to that song when we first heard it playing in front of a movie. But others love it, so to each their own ...
That is exactly how my boyfriend and I feel! :eek: I think my favorite song is "Nothing Better" or maybe "Clark Gable." Sigh.
 
spencecb said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I highly doubt Apple had much to do with the creative process of this ad. I;m sure they gave the director a "vision" of what they wanted the ad to convey, it was up to the director to come up with something then send the results to Apple. Hardly any company creates their own ads or gives creative input during the filming of the ad. This is why ad agencies exist.
Yes, I realize Apple didn't go and pick scene by scene of what they wanted. - It was just my theory that Apple saw that Music Video and thought it could also make a good commercial - and that's why they picked that director.
 
It just seems like Apple is really developing a superiority complex. They referred to PCs as "dull little boxes" without consent from Intel. They created a strikingly similar commercial to the Postal Service's music video without consent or any effort to inform the band.
 
goodtimes5 said:
It just seems like Apple is really developing a superiority complex. They referred to PCs as "dull little boxes" without consent from Intel. They created a strikingly similar commercial to the Postal Service's music video without consent or any effort to inform the band.

Hate to tell you this but Apple has always had a superiority complex, and we tolerate it (and even find it amusing) because it is well deserved.
 
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