The PowerPC Mod Thread!

Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by MatthewLTL, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. MatthewLTL, Feb 18, 2015
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    MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    I searched the Forums and could not come up with an exact thread relating so I decided I would start one!
    The thread is all about your current PPC Mac and the Upgrades/Mods done to them! PICTURES PLEASE!
    I will post pictures of my MDD soon as i find my old cameraphone.

    Lets make this Thread interesting!
     
  2. eyoungren, Feb 18, 2015
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    OK.

    PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

    1.2Ghz Sonnet
    1.5GB RAM
    2x 1TB Western Digital SATA Hard Drives
    1 Dual Layer Superdrive
    1 ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
    1 ATI Radeon 9200
    1 ATI Radeon 7000
    1 SATA PCI Card
    1 USB 2.0/FW400 PCI Card
    1 Belkin USB Bluetooth Adapter
    1 Magic Mouse

    Case mod has a hole in the bottom for one 120mm LED high CFM fan. PSU fan has been replaced with a high CFM fan, case fan has been replaced with a Cooler Master high CFM fan.

    Both drives are using HD Coolers.

    You may notice that the floor plates have been stripped out, the cage for the ZIP drive has been removed and the shield for the front speaker has also been removed.
     

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  3. poiihy, Feb 18, 2015
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    My only working PowerPC Mac is a 466MHz PowerMac G4 DA with Rage128Pro gralhics and 512mb SDRAM.
    These are the mods I have done to it:
    • Put hard drive in zip drive bay
    My two other PowerPC macs are
    1. 700Mhz iBook G3 with dead ATI mobility radeon graphics card and 512mb RAM plus built-in ram which I don't know how much it is. Mods:
    • Taken it apart (completely)
    2. 233MHz beige G3 with 96mb SDRAM (used to be 128 but one 32mb burnt out or something) and ATI rage or-something-like-that graphics. Mods:
    • put a new optical drive in the optical drive bay without the mounting sled because I lost the original CD drive that had the sled because it did not work
    • took out the psu
    My favorite mod is that I put a hard drive in the zip drive bay of the 466mhz DA.
    sorry but i dont have any pictures because I don't really have anything to take a picture of :eek:
     
  4. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    I don't have any pictures to show at the moment, but I've had an ongoing Quicksilver project since last summer.

    It started out as a single 800mhz Quicksilver 2002 and was pretty much the basic model. It had a 40gb HDD(with Panther installed) and a Radeon 7500 Graphics card. About the only upgrade was a 250mb ZIP drive.

    I pretty much immediately upgraded it to a 160gb and 120gb hard drive, and triple-booted Tiger, Leopard, and OS 9. I maxed the RAM, upgraded the graphics card to a GEForce 4MX, added a Motorola WPCI810G Wireless card(Airport Extreme Compatible), added a combo USB 2.0/FW400 card, and a SCSI card to interface with my slide scanner. All of these were transplanted from the DA G4 that the Quicksilver replaced. Probably the biggest upgrade to this computer was changing the single 800mhz out for a dual 1ghz. Unfortunately, I never got the L3 cache to work, as it seems as though Apple disabled the ability for the logic board to recognize it on computers that originally didn't ship with it.

    I went through a bit of a revolving door of video cards with this system. Initially, I swapped the GEForce4 MX for a Radeon 9000, but went back to the GEForce because I didn't see any performance improvement and the GEForce seemed better behaved in OS 9. For a while, my "dream card" for this system was a GEForce 4 Ti. The first one I bought on Ebay was DOA. The second one died after about a week of use. Both times, I went back to the GEForce 4MX. Finally, I went to the Radeon 9600XT, which kills any OS 9 compatibility but is much better under OS X.

    Somewhere along the way, I also changed out the SCSI card. My original Adaptec card had a DB-25 connector. I changed it out for one with a 50 pin min Centronics connector(I got the appropriate mini-Centronics to Centronics cable also-both out of the dumpster) primarily because the second card had also had an internal 50 pin connector that I've used on a few occasions(it's not in continuous use-mostly just for occasionally pulling data off or otherwise manipulating an old 50 pin drive).

    Finally, I replaced the entire computer with a factory dual 1ghz, which did give me the L3 Cache. I moved most of the interface cards over, but took the chance to migrate the OSs over to an almost new 500gb WD Caviar Blue, and stuck in a refurbished 160gb WD drive for overflow storage. Interestingly enough, this particular Quicksilver was ordered(from the factory) with the exact same SCSI card as I'd been using, so I just plugged my scanner into it and went from there. I'm debating about whether or not to transfer the ZIP drive over-I rarely use it, but am glad when I have it.

    This is probably my most extensively modified Mac, at least at this point.

    A few others:

    1. I took a 400mhz B&W G3, and installed a 450mhz G4 processor in it as well as a Radeon 9200 that another member here sold me. I ended up installing a cooling fan on the heatsink, and it's now running cool enough that I'm considering overclocking it a little bit(maybe to 500mhz or so).

    2. The 400mhz G3 processor liberated from the above made its way into a beige G3 desktop. Thanks to the 66mhz bus of the beige G3s, it's actually currently running at 396mhz and not 400. If I can shoehorn a CPU fan in, I might attempt a slight overclock with this one also(again, nothing dramatic). This computer has a Rage 128 graphics card(mostly for the direct VGA output, but also better performance than the onboard graphics), a USB 2.0 card, and a Firewire card. It's exclusively an OS 9 machine, although I might still stick a better graphics card in it if I find another 9200 for a reasonable price.

    Most of my other Macs have had hard drives, optical drives, video cards and RAM changed/upgraded, but I don't put this in the category of doing any dramatic mods. Both my Cubes have had base fans installed.

    I'm also getting ready to start on a big project-time permitting. Erik's old and much-hated GigaDesigns 1.8 dual should be here tomorrow. I've gone through my parts box and have put together a Quicksilver(it was missing the logic board and a few other odds and ends) and the 1.8 Dual is going in that(there's currently no processor in it, although I can probably come up with one to install for long enough just to make sure all is okay before installing the upgrade). The case isn't great cosmetically, so I won't feel bad if I end up chopping holes in it for more fans. I'll probably start another thread for that project.
     
  5. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Here are the pics I took of the case mod last summer…

    Didn't have proper tools so I used a drill to edge out the fan hole.
     

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  6. poiihy macrumors 68020

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    What is the benefit of having more but smaller blades on the propellor vs fewer but larger blades? Also does that fan really make much of a difference there? It doesn't look like it would do much there, i would think it would be better to put it on the other side.
     
  7. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    OK, a few questions on your setup:

    1) Where do you have the HDDs I was looking foreward to seeing the HDDs and coolers. I plan to eventually get Coolers for my HDDs once i manage to get a SATA card and a couple of 500GB or 750GB SATA HDDs.

    2)I would suggest using a Molex Fan adaptor between the PSU and the GPU as being pluged in like it is would increase your chances of breaking the connectoin (It happened to me on a PC)

    3) Did your case originally have the CPU fan in the back?

    4) Shouldn't that bottom fan be flipped the other way (Blowing Air in rather than out)?

    Luckily for me that isn't needed in a MDD as i have a fan in the front and two in the rear. My plan is to get all new high CFM quiet case fans for mine all fans i'm using now are all reused from old computers or equipment (Currently the system has a 70mm fan and a 60mm fan behind the CPU (The 70mm was from a TiVo and the 60mm was a fan i bought years ago for a computer by mistake). The front fan is the 60mm fan from the Optical Drive spot on the MDD itself.

    These fans will be replaced by Blue or Red LED 60mm Fans in the rear and replaced by 2 60mmX10mm in the front. I will also replace the 120mm fan with a much thinner and quieter one. I will also replace the PSU fans (if the task isn't too challenging)

    Anyone can give me a guide/tips on how to open a MDD PSU to change the fans?
     
  8. harrymatic macrumors 6502

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    My G4 MDD FW800 originally came with a single 1.0 GHz processor. Later on I swapped this for a dual 867 MHz processor (slightly faster but not a tremendous difference). Eventually I found a really cheap dual 1.33 GHz processor module so I'm now using that - it involved changing the bus speed on the logic board from 133 MHz to 167 MHz.

    Much like bunnspecial, I've been through quite a collection of graphics cards in this system. The machine came to me with a GeForce 2MX installed - not sure why, as these systems never shipped with this card. I swapped in a Mac GeForce 4MX from my junk box. I soon realised I really needed hardware Core Image support as I was running Leopard, so I bought and modded a 128MB Radeon 9600XT. About a year later I found a good deal on a 256MB Radeon 9600 Pro so I started using that (overclocked to >XT speeds, with little heatsinks on the RAM chips). By this point it was too late to stop, I was truly addicted to upgrading this system. I satisfied my craving for performance with the addition of a flashed 256MB Radeon 9800XT. Although it delivered a large boost in graphical horsepower, the fan noise and the lack of 2 DVI ports were a drawback. When the opportunity came up a month or so back to get a 256MB Fire GL X3 (one of the very fastest cards that can be used in a G4) I couldn't pass it up. It was very easy to flash and get up and running.

    Before getting my Radeon 9800XT, I tried flashing a very nice GeForce 6800 GT which was extremely cheap, but sadly these cards don't get along with the MDD for whatever reason. The system would just KP at the desktop or hang on the blue screen before login.

    I have two SATA drives, 250GB and 160GB, connected to a flashed PCI SATA controller. I also replaced the stock combo drive with a dual layer DVD burner. I have a USB 2.0 PCI card, some generic AirPort Extreme compatible wi-fi card, and an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 sound card.

    I dread to think what I've spend over the years on this thing, but at the end of the day I've had fun doing it so I'm not too distraught.
     

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  9. G4fanboy, Feb 19, 2015
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    Digital Audio on steroids

    This is my mod on my original G4 DA @ 466.

    http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2258.0

    Sorry, but it seems I am not allowed to post photos.

    It is a fan as big as the one in the box in front of the pci slots running at 7 volts (12-5)

    I changed also the box main fan for a almost silent one, and tried it at 7 volts too, but the system wasn't as stable. I run it at 12 to have a similar CFM.

    Take a look at the +12 volts mod needed to run a Dual GHz CPU


    @eyoungren. The only thing cooler than a QS is a QS inside a DA. :p
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  10. CountMaxMore macrumors member

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    My Little Idea

    I'm looking at modding my PowerBook G4 or it's not really a mod but I'm calling it that, I am going to replace the ide hdd with a 500 gig sata using a converter.. Hopefully this works because I keep on running out of space on this little machine and I don't want to pay the price for a ide hdd because they are a little expensive, I was looking at 30$ for a used 120 Gb I was like Hellzz No
     
  11. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Nice! I will get that same GPU for mine soon. Does anyone happen to have a Audiophile 24/96? My MDD came with one but the main chip fried. My Mac is hooked to an amp and I loved this sound card because I could use regular RCA Audio cables.

    ----------

    I see no pictures at that link
     
  12. G4fanboy, Feb 19, 2015
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    That translates in that you are not registered on MacOS9Lives! Shame on you! You have a MDD FW 800 that could be running OS9... :p

    [​IMG]
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/mj0vqqehnr03u2k/DSC_0961.jpg?dl=0
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    https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9fa483ba0s9dfo/DSC_0962.jpg?dl=0
    [​IMG]
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/48c2my0js70g357/DSC_0963.jpg?dl=0
    [​IMG]
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/5d755f0dy7pnleu/DSC_0964.jpg?dl=0

    I think only OS9 registered users can see. This is my 4th attemp to upload the photos.
     
  13. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    They are stacked vertically at the front of the case. Sorry, the pics were bad, but they are the black objects in the photos towards the front. The coolers are mounted on the bottom of the drives. One cooler is pointed towards the front (this is my Green drive, which runs cooler) and the other is pointed towards the back.

    Well, this 9800 Pro has it's problems already. The vendor I bought it from did not do a good job at refurbing it. Not that I want it to break (any more than it has already) but if it does I'll replace it.

    Yes, and I still have the fan, but apparently, for the Sonnet upgrade it was not necessary. I had to go find and buy the fan when I used the dual CPUs because it was necessary for that. But, since the Sonnet was already there when I bought this Mac the fan had long ago been removed.
    No, the air has nowhere to go blowing into the case. With the case close it sits right under the PCI cards. With it pointing out it's able to get all the hot air that's right on the PCI cards out.

    That's what the other fan is supposed to do, but Apple's design genius has all that hot air making a 90º turn to get out. This really helps blowing out versus in.
     
  14. G4fanboy, Feb 19, 2015
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    I would strongly advise against trying to fit a SATA drive inside your PowerBook G4. There won't be enough room and then you'll end up trying to force it in which can bend or possibly break other components.

    My recommendation for a larger drive would be a 250GB Western Digital 2.5" IDE HDD which can still be found new on eBay. For a faster (but more expensive) option, you can use an mSATA SSD inside an IDE enclosure. You will see huge speed gains if your PBG4 has an ATA 100 bus and a modest improvement if you have the older ATA 66 bus.
     
  16. Altemose macrumors G3

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    Check out a PATA SSD or mSATA SSD and accompanying adapter.
     
  17. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    It never ceases to amuse me how some folks will purchase their smokes and Starbucks coffee every day and still find time to complain about the price of other things they hold dear.
     
  19. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I agree with that! Just like people pay 100s for a smartphone and 100s for a phone plan a month than complain when they have no money!
     
  20. poiihy, Feb 23, 2015
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    The links you used are to a webpage with an image, not the image itself.
    These are your images

    NOTE: NOT MY IMAGES, THESE ARE G4fanboy's IMAGES.
     

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  21. 128keaton macrumors 68020

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    poiihy, please get some compressed air :p
     
  22. poiihy macrumors 68020

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    -_-
    not my images
     
  23. 128keaton macrumors 68020

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    well...GOOD.
     
  24. poiihy macrumors 68020

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    hahahHAHAHAHAHhahah LOL good one
     
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    Where did you get those SATA cables?
     

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