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The Pro is for non Pros

Real "pros" buy what they need/or want rather than aligning with gadget marketing titles.[/QUOTE]

Pro used to be just that at Apple - pro for the creative industry -ie MBP, MP etc.. I hardly think that it is arrogance on the part of creative pros to be challenging Apple's new stance of *pro or new marketing strategy of the moniker*.

As a commercial film / video producer I can't imagine the digi tech or camera dept. using an ipad , nor can I envision an ipad used for the production team, and certainly rules out using any on location where there is no wifi, nor can I imagine the ipad used in a photo stills production in studio when shooting with pro digi back cameras.

But in all fairness, I have been in production for over 30 years - so I'm an old fashioned fart, maybe Apple or the youngsters can enlighten me as to how exactly the ipad pro will enhance the workflow of the digital creative artists in my field? - that is assuming that they even realize what the workflow of pro photo or video is.

I really really want to love the ipad pro, but sadly I cannot at this time.
 
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The inability to calibrate the display is pretty much a show stopper as far as content creation is concerned. We have numerous Mac and PC here and they are all set with the same calibration. For critical stuff we have machines using the same display and colour profile.

I noticed after using the IPP for a bit last night that although it has greater pixel density than other displays it appears less resolving due to gamma setting. I guess they wanted to give it a lot of pop like a phone.

Anyways Netflix looks nice on it.
 
thewap said:
As a commercial film / video producer I can't imagine the digi tech or camera dept. using an ipad , nor can I envision an ipad used for the production team, and certainly rules out using any on location where there is no wifi, nor can I imagine the ipad used in a photo stills production in studio when shooting with pro digi back cameras.

But in all fairness, I have been in production for over 30 years - so I'm an old fashioned fart, maybe Apple or the youngsters can enlighten me as to how exactly the ipad pro will enhance the workflow of the digital creative artists in my field? - that is assuming that they even realize what the workflow of pro photo or video is.
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You could start by enlightening yourself about options to tether a digital camera to an iPad. For example:

Phase One's Capture One with Capture Pilot: https://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One.aspx Also for Mamiya Leaf: http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/capture_pilot.html

Manfrotto's new Digital Director: https://www.manfrotto.com/shop-by/collections/digital/digital-director
 
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As soon as the Pro was announced, I had a Utopian vision of being able to demo a new retouching technique, or give visual feedback to my team, on a color calibrated hand held slab, by accessing a working Photoshop file on our server, using a full featured version of Photoshop, making markups and saving the file back to the server for people to work on.
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But no matter how you look at it, it's definitely not Pro.
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On the other hand, maybe Apple and IBM don't have photo retouch demos at the top of their list: http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/15/one-year-later-apple-and-ibm-remain-oddest-couple-in-tech/
 
F-Train said:
You could start by enlightening yourself about options to tether a digital camera to an iPad. For example:

Phase One's Capture One with Capture Pilot: https://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One.aspx Also for Mamiya Leaf: http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/capture_pilot.html

Manfrotto's new Digital Director: https://www.manfrotto.com/shop-by/collections/digital/digital-director
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For stills -Looking at the ipad options in your link would be for remote client monitoring on the ipad- dependent on the camera tethered to a MBP which would need wifi or ipad tetherd to MBP. Can the ipad be tethered directly to the camera? if so how to handle 1T load of files?
and as a client monitor only, I would imagine video village solution is still better than clients passing around an ipad.
 
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thewap said:
For stills -Looking at the ipad options in your link would be for remote client monitoring on the ipad- dependent on the camera tethered to a MBP which would need wifi or ipad tetherd to MBP. Can the ipad be tethered directly to the camera? if so how to handle 1T load of files?
and as a client monitor only, I would imagine video village solution is still better than clients passing around an ipad.
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Phase One/Mamiya Leaf is for stills. Capture One is loaded on a desktop or laptop and Capture Pilot is used to control the camera, review and rate photos and, if desired, share photos with others involved in the shoot. Phase One has a video on YouTube.

Manfrotto's Digital Director, originally presented at this year's NAB, is for both stills and video. It enables one to tether the camera to an iPad without the use of a desktop or laptop computer. It can be used to control the camera, review, rate and share. In video mode, the feed is in real time. Manfrotto has a couple of videos on the link I gave you: https://www.manfrotto.com/shop-by/collections/digital/digital-director There is a video-oriented review here: http://resourcemagonline.com/2015/04/review-the-manfrotto-digital-director/51107/

There is also CamRanger, which creates a WiFi hotspot to connect directly to an iPad: http://camranger.com

Storage, whether to a desktop/laptop or the iPad or the camera's SD card depends on which device one is using and in some cases on mode.

On the video side, the main competitor to Manfrotto's Digital Director is probably Blackmagic Design's Blackmagic Video Assist. Same price, but a 5" monitor: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicvideoassist
 
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Phase One/Mamiya Leaf is for stills. Capture One is loaded on a desktop or laptop and Capture Pilot is used to control the camera, review and rate photos and, if desired, share photos with others involved in the shoot. Phase One has a video on YouTube.

Manfrotto's Digital Director, originally presented at this year's NAB, is for both stills and video. It enables one to tether the camera to an iPad without the use of a desktop or laptop computer. It can be used to control the camera, review, rate and share. In video mode, the feed is in real time. Manfrotto has a couple of videos on the link I gave you: https://www.manfrotto.com/shop-by/collections/digital/digital-director There is a video-oriented review here: http://resourcemagonline.com/2015/04/review-the-manfrotto-digital-director/51107/

There is also CamRanger, which creates a WiFi hotspot to connect directly to an iPad: http://camranger.com

Storage, whether to a desktop/laptop or the iPad or the camera's SD card depends on which device one is using and in some cases on mode.

On the video side, the main competitor to Manfrotto's Digital Director is probably Blackmagic Design's Blackmagic Video Assist. Same price, but a 5" monitor: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicvideoassist
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Good info F train, will look into it, especially cam ranger wifi hotspot as an on location solution, as well as Manfrotto if can be made to work in an Alexa environment.
 
Jesus people it's just a name. What you do with it will define if it's Pro or not.
 
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Good info F train, will look into it, especially cam ranger wifi hotspot as an on location solution, as well as Manfrotto if can be made to work in an Alexa environment.
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It's certainly in Manfrotto's interest for Digital Director to work with both Alexa and Red, but I don't know if there are proprietary or throughput barriers.

Personally, I would love to be able to use a Leica M (Typ 240), Digital Director and an iPad Pro together. This is clearly doable if Leica and Manfrotto are prepared to co-operate, especially given that Leica Shuttle (Leica's tethering software, originally designed for the Leica S2 system but also usable by Leica M digital cameras) earns Leica nothing and doesn't support video.
 
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Apparently someone forgot to explain that to David Hockney:
http://www.blouinartinfo.com/news/s...hockney-unveils-discusses-his-ipad-art-in-san
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/bit...an-artists-canvas-for-david-hockney/?referer=
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Fair enough, it's only a show stopper for me.

That said, I wonder what would happen if Mr. Hockney was required to draw his trees in an exact Pantone PMS 348 Green.

In any event and regardless of how Pro it actually is I like mine. I went back and bought the case today.
 
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Apparently someone forgot to explain that to David Hockney:
http://www.blouinartinfo.com/news/s...hockney-unveils-discusses-his-ipad-art-in-san
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/bit...an-artists-canvas-for-david-hockney/?referer=
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David Hockney can do whatever he pleases, in whatever medium he chooses, and people will line up to see and buy, because he's David Hockney.

When Calvin Klein's creative director calls my studio and wants to know why the photos of their new CK One bottle look magenta instead of white, I don't have the luxury of saying "Well, I retouched it on an uncalibrated consumer grade screened iPad and I think it looks great, so deal with it." I am not David Hockney.
 
eiprol said:
I'm an architect, and I'm also a developer (Video Explorer for Apple TV). I use autocad, photoshop, illustrator, xcode... I usually need to sketch, and use many other PRO and design apps. I think I'm "a maker". And I can't see myself using this iPad PRO.

You could argue that this iPad is not for me. Well, The rest of people, those who don't need any of the Apps I named, why would get a huge iPad when they can have an iPad Air 2 doing exactly de same and less weight? You don't need to sacrify mobility to do some web browsing and write a word document. I understand that OSX is not ready for a tablet... But It should offer something more than regular iOS. The fact that they only talk about how great the speakers are, while they show people drawing using the pencil... And nothing more... Is.... Well, dissappointing.
Really, Calling this iPad 'PRO' is a joke. It's an iPad PLUS.
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Exactly! The improvements in performance of this device were literally what would have been put into the iPad Air 3 as each update to iPad usually provides double performance in processing and graphics. So that aspect should be off the table as a Pro feature.

Thus all that remains are larger screen, pencil functionality, and speakers that are able to be heard better because having a single speaker pointed back and to one side of a tablet doesn't create a very good listening experience when using a tablet.

Funny thing, Microsoft surface and Amazon Fire have always had better speakers with stereo. Not a pro feature just a fix for something that was poorly designed originally on iPad.

As for the pencil feature. The surface has this with the best technology in the industry. Microsoft bought n-trig and implemented that tech in the Surface tablets. They only charge $59 for it too.

Lastly, if the iPad were truly a creative device, then the App stores top grossing apps wouldn't be freemium games, but would be creative apps. So the majority of people using iPads and iPad Pros are in fact not Pros to begin with. We might as well start calling fast food upsizing Pro instead of Large. "Yes, I would like my fries Pro please"
 
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David Hockney can do whatever he pleases, in whatever medium he chooses, and people will line up to see and buy, because he's David Hockney.

When Calvin Klein's creative director calls my studio and wants to know why the photos of their new CK One bottle look magenta instead of white, I don't have the luxury of saying "Well, I retouched it on an uncalibrated consumer grade screened iPad and I think it looks great, so deal with it." I am not David Hockney.
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You made more sense in your first post, when you were talking about demos.

Surely no commercial studio does photo retouching on a 12.9" screen in the first place, and certainly not for Calvin Klein.

Who are you kidding?
 
F-Train said:
You made more sense in your first post, when you were talking about demos.

Surely no commercial studio does photo retouching on a 12.9" screen in the first place, and certainly not for Calvin Klein.

Who are you kidding?
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Ok, fair enough. I would never use a small screen to do pixel level editing; cloning, healing, and the like. I don't actually do much pixel level retouching myself these days...I have a team that I direct. But I often give an overall "look" to an image, either as a starting point, or closer to the end of a job. For that work, I just need good masks, (which are already in place) a few curves, and maybe a couple of localized hue/sat or contrast adjustments.

I would LOVE to be able to do that in a meaningful, shareable, repeatable manner, on a tablet. I could pop over to a desperate client's office and show them how we can salvage a job, or offer options on the fly. Or I could brainstorm with the art director on set before the actual retouching gets started

But if I sell a client on an idea on an uncalibrated slab of screen, I am asking for trouble.
 
My husband's iMac is 2500x1440 in resolution (or thereabouts). The iPad Pro is 2700x2000 (or thereabouts). This is great for spreadsheets!
 
Tried it in store today.

Pros:

- bigger than I expected
- fast
- will eventually be a good corporate digital clipboard
- will appeal to hobbyist artists

Cons:

- too big to use as a conventional tablet
- too big to use as an ebook reader
- too big to use in bed
- all that wasted space between icons
- isn't quite a pro tool for creatives so it won't replace a desktop or laptop anytime soon, which is shame because Apple could make it switch between desktop and tablet modes like Windows 10 does if they had opted for an X86 processor.
 
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Wow, this is definitely flame-bait inflaming. I still believe that the Pro in any Apple products name is just marketing. That said, the pros that Apple seems to be supporting are of the small business type since they have dialed back most of their Pro software.

For stills work, I find that the iOS devices work just fine for most of the basics but it may not fit into traditional workflow due to restrictions on current iOS apps. You have to be able to work within the tools we are given in which case, we have several RAW processors (although no "real" RAW processors I actually want), basic photo editors, destructive editing applications to apply hard edits to JPGs, and some automated apps for noise control, perspective correction, and portrait retouching. If you can function off of those apps, then the iOS hardware will work. For collaboration and asset management, the iOS stuff may fall behind since you would have to have multiple people access the same iCloud account or upload their files to a centralized FTP, SmB, or whatever system you use. It's going to have its own challenges and advantages. For mobile workflow, I find that iOS devices are fine except for lack of a fine tip control for retouching. I can work on files individually but if I had to do multi-person non-destructive edits, I would probably not use iOS devices yet until the companies that create the software come up with some workflow solutions.
 
Let's keep this simple: "What is -PRO?" It's for professional usage. Apparently, as of late, Apple had been using PRO name as a marketing scheme rather than functional aspect of it.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
- isn't quite a pro tool for creatives so it won't replace a desktop or laptop anytime soon, which is shame because Apple could make it switch between desktop and tablet modes like Windows 10 does if they had opted for an X86 processor.
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Easier said than done. Perhaps they could add an iOS emulation layer, but then that would hurt performance and battery life. Plus, not a single OS X application is optimized for touch, because OS X is a non-touch OS. If developers need to re-write their OS X applications to support touch anyway, it's better to try to convince them to do a re-write and take advantage of the iOS APIs that Apple has spent years optimizing. Plus, the ARM chips have better GPUs than Intel's integrated graphics.
 
eiprol said:
The rest of people, those who don't need any of the Apps I named, why would get a huge iPad when they can have an iPad Air 2 doing exactly de same and less weight? You don't need to sacrify mobility to do some web browsing and write a word document.
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So, you've divided the world into those who use the apps you named and those who just "do some web browsing and write a word document"?

What a limited way to view the world and what a limited understanding of the ways lots of other professionals use the iPad!
 
And yet I own several production studios and plan on buying several more iPad Pro tablets. After owning one a few days, I am thrilled with its performance. I am most certainly a successful professional in my field and find the Pro ideal for my application.
 
Mystro said:
And yet I own several production studios and plan on buying several more iPad Pro tablets. After owning one a few days, I am thrilled with its performance. I am most certainly a successful professional in my field and find the Pro ideal for my application.
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I agree, should be most helpful on the farm to keep track of all those cows and chickens in your field.
 
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