The problem with iCloud Keychain is....

Discussion in 'iOS 7' started by virtuosity, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. virtuosity macrumors member

    Jun 12, 2008
    Manchester, UK
    it doesn't work within apps!!

    So I register on an EasyJet site, my Safari browser suggests a super strong password. Perfect.

    I then launch my EasyJet app, it tells me to log back in as my password has changed, and then I have to open Keychain on my Mac again, find the EasyJet entry, right click it, open info, type in my secure OS X Password, click the Show Password button, then spend 10 minutes manually typing in this ridiculously long and secure password into my EasyJet app - all while on the move!!

    This is the same for all my other airline apps, for Facebook, for Twitter, for LinkedIn and so on...

    Very disappointing - they clearly didn't think about this use case when developing and testing it...

    Nice idea Apple, but unless you're going to extend Keychain into iOS apps, then it's almost unworkable / too unwieldily.
  2. pasqualino macrumors member

    Oct 4, 2013
    do they ever? :(
  3. ~Ks383~ macrumors 6502

    Jul 6, 2011
    I wouldn't say unworkable, as it works with apples built-in apps, but you have definitely brought up an idea for improvement.
  4. matttye macrumors 601

    Mar 25, 2009
    Lincoln, England

    Should be able to scan fingerprint to autofill as well rather than just doing it automatically on 5s.
  5. alexberry macrumors member

    Jul 16, 2010
    According to Apples own FAQ on iCloud Keychain, it is available to app developers. So they just need to update their apps...

    I take your point, though...
  6. virtuosity thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 12, 2008
    Manchester, UK
    That's good to know! Thanks
  7. rikscha macrumors 6502a

    Mar 8, 2010
    Type in?? You can copy and paste the password on the mac as well as on your ios devices.
  8. Aucun Express macrumors regular

    Apr 30, 2009
    I agree that iCloud Keychain is a big mess. I cannot imagine a simple user actually understanding it to its full extent.
  9. Fission macrumors regular

    Sep 26, 2013
    Anytime I try to log into anything online I get told that they have requested my password not get stored...So much for that.
  10. Syndicate0017 macrumors 6502

    May 3, 2013
    Umm...enable always allow saved passwords?
  11. KeepCalmPeople macrumors 65816


    Sep 5, 2012
    San Francisco Bay Area, California
    How do you see keychain stored logins and passwords in iOS?
  12. Fission macrumors regular

    Sep 26, 2013
    Can't without setting lock for phone, which i hate
  13. Syndicate0017 macrumors 6502

    May 3, 2013
    Was not aware of that. Personally, I think that's a good thing. Seems dangerous to want to enable such a feature without setting a password lock on the phone. Imagine absolutely anyone having access to all your accounts you've saved passwords for.
  14. Fission macrumors regular

    Sep 26, 2013
    I was under the impression that we would have another way to use the cloud keychain... Like we could enter a really easy password instead Nord-Trondelag in the something
  15. Syndicate0017 macrumors 6502

    May 3, 2013
    Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but even a simple 4 digit unlock code should be sufficient to use the feature. You can even change it to not require it immediately. My data on my phone is more sensitive so I have mine set to 5 minutes. Data on my iPad is less sensitive so I have a 15 minute timeout. Certainly shouldn't be overly cumbersome to do that if the feature is important to you.
  16. Fission macrumors regular

    Sep 26, 2013
    I just looked at what I typed...I was using dictation and had no idea autocorrect typed all that garbage at the end...
  17. Zcott macrumors 68020

    Oct 18, 2009
    Belfast, Ireland
    I imagine iOS 8 would include this. Autofill and auto submit by using Touch ID.
  18. Deacon-Blues macrumors 6502a


    Aug 15, 2012
    You can go to Settings - Safari - Passwords & Autofill - Saved Passwords, then you can copy passwords from there into apps, so long as you have stored the passwords by using the web login first.

    This is entirely workable for me, but what it is really missing for me is some way to backup my iCloud keychain. It's pretty easy to accidentally delete or change a password you didn't intend to.
  19. jtfolden macrumors 6502


    Jul 16, 2002
    Springfield, Ohio
    How so? When going into Settings > Safari > AutoFill to view a password, they aren't immediately editable.

    However, on the Mac, there is some sort of database in ~/Library/Keychains/ and I assume that's the iCloud Keychain database that you could theoretically back up.
  20. Tzuten macrumors 6502

    Sep 20, 2011
    No problems here at all with Keychain. Works as advertised for me on both my Mac and syncing with my idevices.

    Once developers start adding in support in their apps, it will become even better.
  21. MisterPunchy macrumors regular

    Sep 19, 2013
    Yep. Works like a champ for me. What's the problem?

    I set it up to auto-fill even if websites request not. On iPhone, iPad and MacBook Air, all my passwords fill in on their websites just fine. Sure, it doesn't yet work on third party apps, but that's understandable up front. Apple will take a while to let Keychain work in the wild on Safari before releasing the API to other devs, making sure it isn't misused in a way that compromises user security. Or, they may keep it to themselves to ensure that our passwords don't end up where they shouldn't. I'd rather have it work in Safari and nowhere else than not at all, or in a way that risks user security.
  22. Tzuten macrumors 6502

    Sep 20, 2011
    I think like this and so many other threads people are quick to damn or dismiss a feature when it doesn't work as they would envision or just lack of understanding. So without any research they quickly load up a site to complain to the world. We can get into the most self entitled generation but that's a whole other ball of wax.

    The API for this feature already exists I believe it's just a matter of app devs allowing it. Some will never, like banking institutions, but that's fine. I can still use it as a repository in safari settings to copy and paste it into apps and wallah.
  23. sflomenb macrumors 6502a


    Jul 22, 2011
    Here's my problem: how do I "force" a website to remember my password? On my Mac and iPhone sometimes I am not even prompted to remember my password. Or another scenario is that I am prompted for Safari to generate a password for me, but I can't use that because it's for an account I already have a password for. So when I type my actual password in, I am still not prompted.

    Edit: I do have "Allow Autofill even for websites that request passwords not be saved" on both my Mac and iPhone.
  24. amitgiri macrumors newbie

    Oct 28, 2013
    iCloud Keychain implementation with Adobe Air application.


    I will be thankful to you, if someone can please let me know the way of implementing iCloud Keychain with an Adobe Air application for iPad.
    I have a requirement where I need to store user's IAP details, user email and password details on iCloud so that if user installs our app on some other IOS device then he can get all those details there.

    Please help.
  25. mac1984user macrumors 6502a


    Dec 10, 2009
    United Kingdom
    iCloud Keychain is an extremely obtuse implementation of a centralised password organiser. When it was announced, I thought the 1Password people would be shivering in their boots. Seeing it in action, though, makes me realise that 1Password is not at all under threat! For one thing, iCloud Keychain seems only to work within Apple apps and is essentially the exact same thing as keychain has always been, except that the keychain data is stored in the cloud rather than locally. So, essentially, this service is great for Safari, but not much else. Even in the case of Safari, I've found it of limited utility. It does not automatically fill in blank fields even after the information is saved to it. With 1Password, I can hit a hot-key and immediately insert my login details and issue the 'Go' command. iCloud Keychain, if it even functions, feels much more restrictive. It's also relatively pointless on the iPhone, because most common sites have apps making login via browser a moot point. I'm certainly not bemoaning my 1Password purchase now, despite how expensive it is. Still haven't worked myself up to spending £12.99 for the iPhone/iPad app yet, though...

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