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The Prototype iPhone Dissected, No User Removable Battery

AlexFromJap said:
Oh sorry, yes my 16GB minisdcard can make phone calls!no I'm joking, of course it can't.But you discussed about space for photos and I replied that using a cheap minisdcard in a mobile phone doesn't bother you with space problem in fact it's cheap and you can replace it in a second like you do in a camera.
If iPhone had one slot for a card that will be a clever thing, and don't tell me that there is no room for that, because I can't believe it.
And yes I'm italian, forgive me for my bad english.
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My issue with your points are this, none of the issues you state were ever advertised as available. Apple never said there was a SD slot, they never said you could replace the battery, they never said it was a small phone (it's a phone meant for watching videos and browsing the internet, why do you want a smaller screen?!). I understand complaints about battery life, signal issues. I understand wanting certain features, but if you buy a phone knowing it has those limitations than you have to live inside those limitations or sell your phone and buy one that doesn't have the limitations that bug you. Everyone wants something different out of their gadgets, and we live in a time where, to a certain extent, everyone can get most of what they want.
 
AlexFromJap said:
Oh sorry, yes my 16GB minisdcard can make phone calls!no I'm joking, of course it can't.But you discussed about space for photos and I replied that using a cheap minisdcard in a mobile phone doesn't bother you with space problem in fact it's cheap and you can replace it in a second like you do in a camera.
If iPhone had one slot for a card that will be a clever thing, and don't tell me that there is no room for that, because I can't believe it.
And yes I'm italian, forgive me for my bad english.
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Let me be clear - physics demands that if you have a sensor of given physical dimensions (and almost all cell phone photo sensors are more or less the same size), the more megapixels in the sensor, the WORSE the picture quality. Even if you set it for less megapixels, the sensor till will suffer. This is because you are squeezing pixels together closely, resulting in noise. There is no reason to have a sensor more than 5MP in an average phone - doing so only makes your photos WORSE while taking more space in memory. Yeah, you can survive by adding more memory, but why bother - you aren't GAINING anything from adding more megapixels. This is why even high end cameras have stopped fighting by adding more megapixels, and instead are fighting to improve ISO.
 
cmaier said:
Let me be clear - physics demands that if you have a sensor of given physical dimensions (and almost all cell phone photo sensors are more or less the same size), the more megapixels in the sensor, the WORSE the picture quality. Even if you set it for less megapixels, the sensor till will suffer. This is because you are squeezing pixels together closely, resulting in noise. There is no reason to have a sensor more than 5MP in an average phone - doing so only makes your photos WORSE while taking more space in memory. Yeah, you can survive by adding more memory, but why bother - you aren't GAINING anything from adding more megapixels. This is why even high end cameras have stopped fighting by adding more megapixels, and instead are fighting to improve ISO.
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Thanks for your detailed explanation.
 
cmaier said:
Let me be clear - physics demands that if you have a sensor of given physical dimensions (and almost all cell phone photo sensors are more or less the same size), the more megapixels in the sensor, the WORSE the picture quality. Even if you set it for less megapixels, the sensor till will suffer. This is because you are squeezing pixels together closely, resulting in noise. There is no reason to have a sensor more than 5MP in an average phone - doing so only makes your photos WORSE while taking more space in memory. Yeah, you can survive by adding more memory, but why bother - you aren't GAINING anything from adding more megapixels. This is why even high end cameras have stopped fighting by adding more megapixels, and instead are fighting to improve ISO.
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What he said!

A larger sensor, with larger photo-sites would be a better choice for a Phone camera. Better noise-floor. Better low light. Better actual resolution.

I have yet to see any phone-taken-image that comes anywhere near to 2 megapixels in measurable resolution. (not pixel count).

Let's remind ourselves - 2 megapixels is the amount of data on a 1080p HD TV image. It is the same resolution as - for example - Attack of the Clones - was shot at. (shudder)

C.
 
cmaier said:
Let me be clear - physics demands that if you have a sensor of given physical dimensions (and almost all cell phone photo sensors are more or less the same size), the more megapixels in the sensor, the WORSE the picture quality. Even if you set it for less megapixels, the sensor till will suffer. This is because you are squeezing pixels together closely, resulting in noise. There is no reason to have a sensor more than 5MP in an average phone - doing so only makes your photos WORSE while taking more space in memory. Yeah, you can survive by adding more memory, but why bother - you aren't GAINING anything from adding more megapixels. This is why even high end cameras have stopped fighting by adding more megapixels, and instead are fighting to improve ISO.
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I'm not sure I buy this. Are you referring to mobile phones ONLY or is this a sweeping claim in regards to ALL photo sensors?

There is a big difference between 4 megapixels and 12 megapixels. BIG difference and it sure isn't bad picture quality. This is in regards to Digital Cameras. As for mobile phones, image quality will never be on par with a device meant to take photos solely.
 
Hh, what?

MacintoshMan said:
I love all of this coverage on the new iPhone. Gizmodo did the right thing by REPORTING the news accurately. I'm so happy I didn't waste my upgrade on a 3GS when this little gem is right around the corner! So excited to pick one up, I love the new design, front facing camera for video chatting! I sure hope someone takes off that metal to find out if it has a A4!!

I really don't see why everyone is hating gizmodo for taking the product apart, don't you want to know what's inside? Power to the consumer I say, the more we know the better. I don't know about you but im a fan of complete transparency.
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Time will tell whether Gizmodo did anything illegal. Certainly, they did something slimy and classless. The smarter and better thing to do, IMO, would have been to take it back to Apple without the big media splash, and ask if their more professional handling of the matter warranted special access from Apple, or some sort of exclusivity opportunity on the release. Instead, they took a tabloid approach (and possibly violated the law in the process) that has cost them good will that they will never regain.
 
rdlink said:
Time will tell whether Gizmodo did anything illegal. Certainly, they did something slimy and classless. The smarter and better thing to do, IMO, would have been to take it back to Apple without the big media splash, and ask if their more professional handling of the matter warranted special access from Apple, or some sort of exclusivity opportunity on the release. Instead, they took a tabloid approach (and possibly violated the law in the process) that has cost them good will that they will never regain.
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At the point when Gizmodo opened the phone, they must have realised this was Apple's rightful property.

The smart thing would be to call Apple at that point.

If they did, perhaps a deal was done. They did wait at least a week before going public.

C.
 
AbSoluTc said:
I'm not sure I buy this. Are you referring to mobile phones ONLY or is this a sweeping claim in regards to ALL photo sensors?

There is a big difference between 4 megapixels and 12 megapixels. BIG difference and it sure isn't bad picture quality. This is in regards to Digital Cameras. As for mobile phones, image quality will never be on par with a device meant to take photos solely.
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Doesn't matter whether you buy it or not. He's precisely correct.
 
Carniphage said:
At the point when Gizmodo opened the phone, they must have realised this was Apple's rightful property.

The smart thing would be to call Apple at that point.

If they did, perhaps a deal was done. They did wait at least a week before going public.

C.
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Umm, flipping the phone over and seeing the Apple symbol and other markings on the back should have been all the evidence they needed to pick up the phone, at least. Opening the phone was not necessary. Any argument presented in defense of opening the phone up is just Gizmodo wanting what they wanted...
 
rdlink said:
Umm, flipping the phone over and seeing the Apple symbol and other markings on the back should have been all the evidence they needed to pick up the phone, at least. Opening the phone was not necessary. Any argument presented in defense of opening the phone up is just Gizmodo wanting what they wanted...
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Erm.

There are about two thousand posts on this forum alone who all claimed, with absolute certainty, that that device was "no-way" an authentic Apple device.
Experienced pundits were equally skeptical.

The first bulletproof-proof was the component markings inside the case.

C.
 
Carniphage said:
Erm.

There are about two thousand posts on this forum alone who all claimed, with absolute certainty, that that device was "no-way" an authentic Apple device.
Experienced pundits were equally skeptical.

The first bulletproof-proof was the component markings inside the case.

C.
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I really don't know, but is it possible that Giz photoshopped apple's name on them?
 
AbSoluTc said:
I'm not sure I buy this. Are you referring to mobile phones ONLY or is this a sweeping claim in regards to ALL photo sensors?

There is a big difference between 4 megapixels and 12 megapixels. BIG difference and it sure isn't bad picture quality. This is in regards to Digital Cameras. As for mobile phones, image quality will never be on par with a device meant to take photos solely.
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In a digital camera, a 12mp sensor will typically be larger than a 4mp sensor and take other steps to eliminate noise.

In a cellphone there is no room for a large sensor or for the optics required to use a large sensor.
 
I think they should call it the Snow iPhone, because it seems like there's really no major new features, mostly just design tweaks... Great marketing hype with the guy in the bar though. I'm sure it will sell like hotcakes. ;)
 
BC2009 said:
Anybody else feel like Gizmodo just spoiled Christmas by telling us what was inside all the presents?

Maybe its more like somebody just told me that Darth Vader is Luke's father before going to see Empire Strikes Back.

I am one who likes to get a little info, but never have the whole thing spoiled. This kinda ruins all the fun.
:(
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You're on MacRumors so it was bound to happen eventually.

Also, try to get out more. Putting all your eggs in one iPhone unveiling basket is a tough way to live:)

Carniphage said:
Erm.

There are about two thousand posts on this forum alone who all claimed, with absolute certainty, that that device was "no-way" an authentic Apple device.
Experienced pundits were equally skeptical.

The first bulletproof-proof was the component markings inside the case.

C.
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Indeed. and now that it has widely been accepted that it is an apple product, the argument has shifted to this being an elaborate PR stunt and or Gizmodo should be sued. Par for the course, but still entertaining.
 
If you compare this from the iPhone Prototype

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to the iPad A4 CPU

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then they have very similar numbers

33950091 (Phone) vs 33950084 (Pad)
 
seveej said:
At least assuming that all users are urban users.
In this country where I live about (quick calculation) about 40% of the population live within 50 km of an apple service and 65% within 100 km. At the same time <90% live with access to 3G services, so there's a lot of people who are quite annoyed at not being able to yourself replace the battery.
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Gotta correct myself on this, service arrangements of the iPhone have changed in Finland, now the service is arranged through the operator (no longer Apple et al.). That means that there are now two (yes, as in 2) service stations in a the whole country. Implying:
- 30% of the population lives within 50 km of a service point
- The closest service point can be more than 1000 km away.
- service per mail is an option, but it adds costs, and you'll need a spare phone for the one-two weeks needed for the roundtrip

Nuts!
 
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