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The Qualcomm CDMA chip is NOT for Verizon!!!!
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While Verizon has hinted at ending unlimited data, it has not announced it yet.
Everyone should keep their facts straight.
I would hate to use an iPhone on Verizon's horrible service. At&t is any better but CDMA X1 data can do only so much.
You do realize that a recent study has shown that DROID users on VZW consume much more data then iphone users on ATT... so your logic is flawed.
The bottom line is, if VZW gets the iphone, they will become even more profitable....
Before, people would have to decide between droids (VZW) or the iphone (ATT). If VZW gets the iphone, then it'll still be the same decision, except either way, they would still be on verizon. If anything, its motorola, samsung, and HTC that would want to keep the iphone off of VZW's network.
The only way having the iphone on VZW would hurt their bottom line is if VZW manufactured both phones and it canalized their own market.
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lets face it without iphone there would be no droid just facts....
about Apple needing Verizon not likely most people forget that iphone is international not just U.S they sell more iphones world wide than any other phone. keep up with facts. Verizon needs Apple every Verizon account holder I know which is plenty of them all say the same thing I wish iphone would be on Verizon but facts are if they decide to release it more likely Verizon network would crash on release, Thats normal they haven't had a launch like ATT has had so they would not know if their system can handle it. The signal for Verizon in Fort Lauderdale sucks. It' all advertisement everyone buys into it.
lets face it without iphone there would be no droid just facts....
about Apple needing Verizon not likely most people forget that iphone is international not just U.S they sell more iphones world wide than any other phone. keep up with facts. Verizon needs Apple every Verizon account holder I know which is plenty of them all say the same thing I wish iphone would be on Verizon but facts are if they decide to release it more likely Verizon network would crash on release, Thats normal they haven't had a launch like ATT has had so they would not know if their system can handle it. The signal for Verizon in Fort Lauderdale sucks. It' all advertisement everyone buys into it.
First I agree with what you say about Verizon's network taking a dump with an iPhone on it. It's taken AT&T years to augment for the iPhone from its launch and the sheer volume sold on VZW would increase data usage significantely.
Your point about google winning the war is, however, absurd. When Android has had very little market penetration internationally (something like 73% market share for iPhone in Japan - where its on all carriers) the war is far from over. In fact Android has a long battle ahead outside of the US where it's adoption hasn't been as broad.
Looking at the US market the iPhone has 23% market share currently. On one carrier. Because of our ****ed up lack of standards here everyone has different capabilities.
There are 3 types of people when it comes to iPhones:
- Those who love iPhones, have them and wouldn't switch. Those are on AT&T.
- Those who lust for iPhones but refuse to switch to AT&T's questionable coverage
- Those who have no interest in iPhones.
Ultimately Apple would look to bring the 2nd group on board. iPhone customer loyalty is ridiculously high. The best way to do this is through carrier expansion - ANY carrier expansion. The cheapest option here would be t-mobile. GSM just using a different band than AT&T for 3G. Minimal R&D, minimal cost to move over.
Imagine if apple just opened things up to one more carrier (say t-mobile). The adoption rate would be high on that network and there's a segment of people on other carriers that would move over because its not AT&T.
I believe the next logical carrier will be T-mobile for this reason. That being said with the rise of LTE and some luck we'll have a single standard in the US in two years and phones will be able to move readily. Can apple afford to wait that long to penetrate the US market further? Maybe. One thing is for sure, it'll be interesting to see what happens next. Apple has to ask itself: Is it worth investing the dollars in R&D for CDMA to gain market share in the coming year or two or would they rather wait for LTE and invest elsewhere?
It's all about market share now (as both iPhone and Android numbers show). Eventually Android's market share will start to taper off as well. You simply can't expect 200k activations to continue indefinately. Once that happens both companies will be trying to convert people to their respective products...that's when things get real fun
One more thing of note is the enterprise market space. Consumer is one thing but for Apple the Enterprise may be their play in the next 2 years - taking market share from RIM. I know where I work we are considering iPhones to replace BB across the board but the carrier issue is a blockage for us adopting it. We aren't even considering Android in this area and don't view it as viable when it comes to our needs.
Due to its separation of voice and data carriers, pre-delegation of voice backend bandwidth, and proper CDMA tower planning, Verizon's network will not drop voice calls simply because of an extra tower data load (unlike what happens on AT&T).
An overload of streaming data users on a Verizon cell should simply slow everyone's data... and leave voice users alone.
ATT also planned their towers for GSM TDMA, and have had to re-plan some of their network -- adding towers -- once they started to implement WCDMA (UMTS-3G).
Verizon's in a totally different position than ATT was at its iPhone launch.
Back then, AT&T was still beefing up its EDGE network so the iPhone could go several times faster than ATT's previous ~64Kbps speeds... and three years later still isn't done rolling out its 3G network, although where it does have 3G, it can have very decent speeds.
Verizon completed its 3G Rev A rollout across the USA in the same month (June 2007) that the first iPhone sales began. Since then, they've been beefing up their backend bandwidth for LTE, which helps with 3G as well.
Have you thought about what might happen to Verizon's network if AT&T is destroyed and all of its customers went to Verizon? Heck, even if half switch, your network will be DESTROYED from overuse. Enjoy!
First off.... i am a bit of a vzw fanboy, i work for vzw. Which i stated in fairness of full disclosure.
I am also a google nut and a proud member of the android army. I stated that as well, in full disclosure.
Vzw has not announced, nor has any memo been published announcing the end of unlimited data.
Sure we cap aircard data at 5 gigs. But most people don't use enough to need unlimited on their handsets. I do.
I average about 20gigs a month on my non tethered droid x, my wife averages 13 on here droid 2. (Which has not.been released to the public yet, however feel free to stop by a retail store and preorder one i can assure you they are taking preorders at most stores.
Whether or not vzw moves to smaller data packages is up to you, the customer. If you want to keep unlimited, then you need to voice your concern about it.
Verizon has always listened to our customers and meet their needs.
However, if no one says a word about it until after its done, then its to late.
As for the iphone.... again, i would welcome it only to satisfy my desire to see it get destroyed in a real apples to apples market.
sure, it would sell alot on release, but don't forget, we still have a hard time supplying the demand for the incredible, and the droid x.
As for whether or not i work for vz.... well, telling you who i am and what i would do would stop all speculation about future releases of possible phones, pricing of plans and where vs is headed as a whole....
Some things you'll just have to take on faith, or stick around and.see if what im telling you is the truth in the future or not.
There is really no point in saying andriod is better then iphone or anything of that nature....
Both platforms have their strength and weaknesses... hardware and software wise.
It really comes down to the end user to decide what phone is right for them. That is the problem with fanboys. What you might consider a smashing blow to iPhone users might not even be a consideration to them at all.
Obviously both sides have their loyal fanbase and both sides have their benefits.... but with that they also have their problems.
Im on VZW right now and its just disappointing because there isnt a droid phone (hardware wise) that has what i want. I really do hope the iphone comes to VZW so i dont have to jump to ATT.... and im sure there are a lot of VZW subscribers who feel the same way.
Verizon (landline) screwed over the people of VT, Maine, and NH (essentially northern New England) 2 years ago by dumping all of us to a bankrupt company (Fairpoint). Verizon was making plenty of money there but decided they decided to screw there customers over anyways. Verizon is not the nice company that soundcover is shilling for and I refuse to ever deal with them (even if they were giving iPhones / iPads away).
Source? If people are using their phones for so much data, how do they ever actually TALK? I doubt this statement of "much more data" is accurate.
A Verizon iPhone is inevitable I just can't imagine it being a CDMA phone that doesn't allow voice and data concurrently. It made sense on iPhone v1 as there was far less consumption on that device due to lack of apps and a fast enough network. It makes zero sense on version 4 of the device.
A CDMA iPad however, does make perfect sense.
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Same @ the jersey shore. I was a VZW customer for over 10 years. Over the years I was plagued with terrible customer support and spotty coverage. Some areas had absolutely no coverage at all. Did I mention the horrific customer support, most support reps didnt give a s**t about me or the problems I was experiencing. And on top of that they consistently screwed up billing every few months.
When apple released the iPhone, I saw it as my chance to break away. So glad we did. My wife and I both have iPhones and AT&T has terrific coverage in our area and customer support has been incredible, always providing solutions and being extremely polite. Many times they even offered a credit on our bill.
There is still many places throughout the jersey shore were my friends with VZW get no signal but us on AT&T have full bars.
To the VZfanboy, have you even played with an iPhone, or do you simply despise it because you work for verizon, I'm sure as nothing more than an in store sales guy. Second I have never seen one android device match the hardware of the iPhone. Also I find it amusing he uses 20 gigs per month on the droid x when it was released less than a month ago. Lol. The droid 2, pics or she doesn't have it.
I went on the 15th thinking I would get an extra phone in the droid x, wanted to compare it to my ip4, I am not against droid but 15 min playing with the droid x and it was obvious it was sub par to the iPhone. The screen lagged when sliding from page to page, the pinch to zoom on photos is also unrefined and slow and often took more than one of the pinches to actually make it work, and the screen is no comparison to the ip4 although looks better than the 3GS. All in all was very disappointed with the droid x and walked out without buying it. Your ideas would be taken more seriously if you didn't bash the iPhone with out giving a single reason why. So please keep your crappy droid x and we will continue to use the ip. I gave 2-3 reasons why I didn't like the droid, I did go in with the intention of buying one, you didn't give 1 for the iPhone, pathetic.
I went on the 15th thinking I would get an extra phone in the droid x, wanted to compare it to my ip4, I am not against droid but 15 min playing with the droid x and it was obvious it was sub par to the iPhone. The screen lagged when sliding from page to page, the pinch to zoom on photos is also unrefined and slow and often took more than one of the pinches to actually make it work, and the screen is no comparison to the ip4 although looks better than the 3GS. All in all was very disappointed with the droid x and walked out without buying it. Your ideas would be taken more seriously if you didn't bash the iPhone with out giving a single reason why. So please keep your crappy droid x and we will continue to use the ip. I gave 2-3 reasons why I didn't like the droid, I did go in with the intention of buying one, you didn't give 1 for the iPhone, pathetic.
Why would you "doubt" him without doing any research first?
You're a few weeks behind the news:
Google: "verizon smartphones use more data than iphone"
Related recent news is that actual voice calls continue to drop in frequency and length. People are texting instead of making calls, for all sorts of social reasons.
Android users do use more than iphone users... the diffence is the amount of data that each phone uses to accomplish the same thing.
We can all hopefully agree and understand that the i.ternet is encrypted, and by way of looking at it via a handset is compressed. For instance, if I were to view a random webpage on my pc, and it took/used 2 megabytes to open that page on that pc, and i went to the same page on my phone, it used only half of that because of the compression being utilized by the carrier.
The point is that the iphone uses more data to do less than the android.
And sure, the android users use more, they have a wider network that allows them to do so.
We can all hopefully agree and understand that the i.ternet is encrypted, and by way of looking at it via a handset is compressed. For instance, if I were to view a random webpage on my pc, and it took/used 2 megabytes to open that page on that pc, and i went to the same page on my phone, it used only half of that because of the compression being utilized by the carrier.
The point is that the iphone uses more data to do less than the android.
And sure, the android users use more, they have a wider network that allows them to do so.
The chips are used for an anual iPhone good luck ritual where Steve gathers with his most loyal fallowers. The CDMA chips are arranged into a giant Apple logo and then set on fire while they sing a cult like prayer which brings blessings of good luck to the next generation iPhone.
I probably should have posted the source but I got lazy... thanks for taking care of that
Im really not surprised that people are talking less and texting more... social skills are going down the drain! But im guilty of it too.... its far easier to text someone then to call... Especially if the only point of the mobile to mobile communication was to plan on meeting up with someone.
For actual conversations, id much rather be on the phone talking or in person...
so the iPhone is more efficient at using data??
seriously, we get it, you love android and think its the best thing since sliced bread.
There is no point trying to declare the superiority of android phones, especially on an apple forum... Each phone has its pros and cons, many of which are up to subjective choices made by the user.
Thanks for the link. I still don't think those numbers support "consumes much more data" and there is a difference between average use and average user. The article actually points out that the average on Verizon is skewed by power users.
The actual study won't be released for a couple weeks, go read the actual report. The number of power users for VZW is 2.5 times as many, that's going to skew the numbers.
All that said, it should be encouraging that no matter how you slice it, it looks like VZW devices are able to consume data on par with what AT&T is doing so a VZW iPhone won't result in the network crumbling. The bigger concern for me would be the lack of voice calling while using any one of the ever increasing number of applications that require net connectivity.
ash =o)
At the end of the day the iphone is just a phone. How can you hate it? You hate an inanimate object? Really?
I don't get all the iphone/android fights. They're both nice phones! Pick the one that best fits your needs and call it a day.
I have friends that are still on Blackberries cuz that's what works best for them...don't recall ever ripping on them for their choice of phone.